Hypothetical: what would you do with a big stockpile of merits?
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Posted on: 2010-08-06 09:39 in The Market and Inventions
Are they level 50 or are they below that?
My personal hobbyhorse [ok, one of them] is that there isn't enough supply at levels below max. So if you're under level 42 or so, I'd say roll 'em . Level 50, roll or pick as you see fit. Don't spend 'em all at once, though...
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Unfortunately, I would say 80% are held at level 50. My problem has never been 'not spending' for sure. I need to roll some I think and see what happens. |
Originally Posted by Fulmens
Are they level 50 or are they below that?
My personal hobbyhorse [ok, one of them] is that there isn't enough supply at levels below max. So if you're under level 42 or so, I'd say roll 'em . Level 50, roll or pick as you see fit. Don't spend 'em all at once, though... |
Kinetic Combat Dam/End and the triple are just so hard to come by these days, and I know I need to grab a couple of those for my new Stone tank project which is maturing quickly. I also need a couple of LoTG +7.5s for that build too, so I may dip into them a little here soon. Although, that toon is only lvl31 and already has 330 or so.
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[B] GUARDIAN 50s:[/B] [B]Tank[/B]: Ice/Fire, Fire/Fire, DA/SS, Inv/WM, SD/Elec...[B]Scrap[/B]: BS/Reg, Spin/DA, DM/SD, Fire/WP, Claws/SR....[B]Troller[/B]: Ill/Rad, Fire/Kin...[B]Blaster[/B]: Fire/EM....[B]Defender[/B]: D3...[B]Brute[/B]: Elm/ElA...[B]EPIC[/B]: Widow, PB, Crab...CURRENTLY: 45 Stone/Stone Tank...38 AR/Rad Corr...21 Ice^3 Dom
If you have alts, then 2 bill won't buy you more than a couple of builds and depending, might not be enough for even 1 IO.
I'd roll 'em all. That's just me. I roll mine as soon as I have 20 no matter what level.
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I'd probably roll them at 35-39 tier.
Maybe craft and store some, but probably sell most of the good stuff.
I do always keep ~300 merits on a 50 both red and blue for an 'instant buy' of any recipe I want.
So roll down to that level of merits.
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Oh, I don't plan on diving into the PvP IOs or anything. It just makes it possible for me to afford to get Posi Blast instead of Detonation if I want to and that sort of thing. |
Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
If you have alts, then 2 bill won't buy you more than a couple of builds and depending, might not be enough for even 1 IO.
I'd roll 'em all. That's just me. I roll mine as soon as I have 20 no matter what level. |
I'm just happy to be out of my shanty, so I'm not looking to move into a mansion anytime soon.
I have quite a few alts and I have rebuilt a couple so far and kept it under 1 billion total.
Thanks for the thoughts,
Cheers
[B] GUARDIAN 50s:[/B] [B]Tank[/B]: Ice/Fire, Fire/Fire, DA/SS, Inv/WM, SD/Elec...[B]Scrap[/B]: BS/Reg, Spin/DA, DM/SD, Fire/WP, Claws/SR....[B]Troller[/B]: Ill/Rad, Fire/Kin...[B]Blaster[/B]: Fire/EM....[B]Defender[/B]: D3...[B]Brute[/B]: Elm/ElA...[B]EPIC[/B]: Widow, PB, Crab...CURRENTLY: 45 Stone/Stone Tank...38 AR/Rad Corr...21 Ice^3 Dom
Personally, I'm hanging on to my merits and seeing what happens with Going Rogue. As we've had yet another recipe-buying currency system announced, who knows what that's going to do to recipe supply, etc.
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I say buy the Kinetic Combats you want and roll the rest.
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Originally Posted by Lord_Cyclones
Oh, I don't plan on diving into the PvP IOs or anything. It just makes it possible for me to afford to get Posi Blast instead of Detonation if I want to and that sort of thing.
I'm just happy to be out of my shanty, so I'm not looking to move into a mansion anytime soon. I have quite a few alts and I have rebuilt a couple so far and kept it under 1 billion total. Thanks for the thoughts, Cheers |
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Originally Posted by Lord_Cyclones
Oh, I don't plan on diving into the PvP IOs or anything. It just makes it possible for me to afford to get Posi Blast instead of Detonation if I want to and that sort of thing.
I'm just happy to be out of my shanty, so I'm not looking to move into a mansion anytime soon. |
Let us know what you end up doing with your merits!
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I'd say buy a few spare kinetic combat dam/ends (125 merits each) sell them and random roll the rest. I haven't checked recently, but they were selling for enough to be worth more than 6 average random rolls when I last looked.
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Originally Posted by MunkiLord
I say buy the Kinetic Combats you want and roll the rest.
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I take the opposite tack. I say there isn't enough demand below 50. I guarantee you, if there were enough demand, it would drive prices high enough that people would generate the IOs. There has to be enough demand to make people want to do it, though, which means nine digits.
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Originally Posted by Fulmens
My personal hobbyhorse [ok, one of them] is that there isn't enough supply at levels below max. So if you're under level 42 or so, I'd say roll 'em . Level 50, roll or pick as you see fit. Don't spend 'em all at once, though... |
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It's a vicious circle. With supply people will place bids and use them. With demand people will sell. Either one lacking will hurt the other resulting in a downward spiral of suffering.|
Originally Posted by Brillig
I take the opposite tack. I say there isn't enough demand below 50. I guarantee you, if there were enough demand, it would drive prices high enough that people would generate the IOs. There has to be enough demand to make people want to do it, though, which means nine digits.
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Demand cannot be generated. On the other hand supply can. Fixing one half of the cycle will positively impact the other.
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There is plenty of demand, but when you see none for sale and the last one went a month ago, you tend to move on. I placed an accidental "extra zero" bid on an obscure but very rare mid level pool C recipe, but not one appeared when I left it up for a 21 day "day job cycle", and the 9 figure bid would have snagged any that was put there.
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Originally Posted by Brillig
I take the opposite tack. I say there isn't enough demand below 50. I guarantee you, if there were enough demand, it would drive prices high enough that people would generate the IOs. There has to be enough demand to make people want to do it, though, which means nine digits.
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That's me now too. I use to save all to 50 and then see what I need and/or roll. I would say on my last 4 or so toons, I hit 20 merits, I just roll. Paid off a few times, didn't pay off other times. |
Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
I roll mine as soon as I have 20 no matter what level.
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I guess I have just a couple of "older" toons that are my focus for all the shinies and gave up on trying to "purple out" every single toon, every single time I ding 50. I am finding leveling up is going too fast/easy and I can't keep up - lol! I also plan out way ahead now my toons. Like I have one ready for when GR is coming out, and placed the bids for certain IOs I wanted in it months ago. I have all the IOs now, crafted and ready to go, just need the toon
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One person placing one bid on one recipe really doesn't constitue demand.|
Originally Posted by Minotaur
There is plenty of demand, but when you see none for sale and the last one went a month ago, you tend to move on. I placed an accidental "extra zero" bid on an obscure but very rare mid level pool C recipe, but not one appeared when I left it up for a 21 day "day job cycle", and the 9 figure bid would have snagged any that was put there.
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By sufficient demand, I mean enough nine figure bids spread across a range of levels and left there long enough so that someone, probably a newbie who doesn't know any better, lists one and gets a nine figure entry into the history logs.
Right now, the perception is that mid level IOs aren't worth producing. And they're not - outside of your mistake, why would anyone bother for a low eight figure payoff when they can do better at level 50? Until there is sufficient amounts of influence thrown at the market to make it, not only comparable, but better to produce and sell mid-level IOs, don't expect the situation to change.
But it's not because the supply isn't there. The game does a pretty good job of letting people choose what they want to suppply. It's because the sustained pricing isn't there, and that's a demand issue.
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A misunderstanding of the point I was trying to make. Supply is so low, that people who really wanted the IOs at a lower level, go away and buy them at 50 instead because they really can't be bothered to wait 3 months for the next level 33-38 one to turn up and block 6 market slots because you can't bid on a range of levels.
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Originally Posted by Brillig
One person placing one bid on one recipe really doesn't constitue demand.
By sufficient demand, I mean enough nine figure bids spread across a range of levels and left there long enough so that someone, probably a newbie who doesn't know any better, lists one and gets a nine figure entry into the history logs. Right now, the perception is that mid level IOs aren't worth producing. And they're not - outside of your mistake, why would anyone bother for a low eight figure payoff when they can do better at level 50? Until there is sufficient amounts of influence thrown at the market to make it, not only comparable, but better to produce and sell mid-level IOs, don't expect the situation to change. But it's not because the supply isn't there. The game does a pretty good job of letting people choose what they want to suppply. It's because the sustained pricing isn't there, and that's a demand issue. |
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I like to think this is the reason a lot of procs sell for more at higher levels.
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Originally Posted by Minotaur
A misunderstanding of the point I was trying to make. Supply is so low, that people who really wanted the IOs at a lower level, go away and buy them at 50 instead because they really can't be bothered to wait 3 months for the next level 33-38 one to turn up and block 6 market slots because you can't bid on a range of levels.
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No, I understood the point you were trying to make. What you're misunderstanding is it's not the supply that's low, it's the demand. |
Originally Posted by Minotaur
A misunderstanding of the point I was trying to make. Supply is so low, that people who really wanted the IOs at a lower level, go away and buy them at 50 instead because they really can't be bothered to wait 3 months for the next level 33-38 one to turn up and block 6 market slots because you can't bid on a range of levels.
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It's a chicken and egg thing. There are people that want certain IOs, can't find them and then 'give up'. Because there are no buyers, there are no sellers. But the problem and the solution starts with DEMAND. When players start to pay nine figures for mid level IOs and that gets reflected in the history, other players step up to supply those IOs. But as long as people get discouraged and walk away, no one will be incented to create the suppply.
That's why these mid-level IO projects are ultimitely futile. The created IOs transact for amounts too low to move people off of the default behavior of supplying primarily level 50 IOs.
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Depends on the IO. Many IOs (other than procs/specials) should be more expensive at 50 because the enhancement bonuses are bigger, and most people don't think like me who wants to IO at lower level to get the set bonuses on the way to 50, so they just IO at 47/50.|
Originally Posted by Brillig
No, I understood the point you were trying to make. What you're misunderstanding is it's not the supply that's low, it's the demand.
It's a chicken and egg thing. There are people that want certain IOs, can't find them and then 'give up'. Because there are no buyers, there are no sellers. But the problem and the solution starts with DEMAND. When players start to pay nine figures for mid level IOs and that gets reflected in the history, other players step up to supply those IOs. But as long as people get discouraged and walk away, no one will be incented to create the suppply. That's why these mid-level IO projects are ultimitely futile. The created IOs transact for amounts too low to move people off of the default behavior of supplying primarily level 50 IOs. |
You're right it's a chicken/egg situation, but I think you can fix either side of that equation to fix the other. I used to roll at 50, but have recently taken to rolling at 33 then again at 50. I'll be interested to see what if any effect A-merits have on this.
I've long advocated being able to bid on a range of levels to avoid tying up enormous amounts of capital and slots, I think this would seriously help this situation also.
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Originally Posted by Lord_Cyclones
Just as a hypothetical.
Simple question: what would you do with all those merits? Cheers |
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Gonna have to agree with Another Fan on this one.
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Not sure this is right unless you REALLY want a PvP IO.|
Originally Posted by MunkiLord
Gonna have to agree with Another Fan on this one.
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20M + 50 merits = 1 A-merit = 5 rolls
100 merits = 5 rolls
so 20M = 50 merits = 2.5 rolls, valuing a roll at 8M.
When the prices drop due to people taking random rolls from earned A-merits, I'm not sure whether they'll be worth that.
Might just about be worth it if there are pool A recipes that cost a fortune, are direct purchasable with 1 A-merit, and the prices don't crash quite as hard.
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I know of 2 people that gave away merits in contests (you choose how to roll them or what recipies since they are not tradeable)
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=199939
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=206772
Though since this is the market section i assume your not looking to give them away, just thought i would put it out there though.
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Just as a hypothetical.
Imagine some player (being a miserly, conservative type) had amassed about 6,000 merits across a number of toons. Never spent one in however they have been around.
Given that this player may have read a guide and made 2-3 billion inf a few weeks (thanks Fury Flechette!) and now was able to take care of his/her IO set needs without dipping much into merits.
Simple question: what would you do with all those merits?
Cheers
[B] GUARDIAN 50s:[/B] [B]Tank[/B]: Ice/Fire, Fire/Fire, DA/SS, Inv/WM, SD/Elec...[B]Scrap[/B]: BS/Reg, Spin/DA, DM/SD, Fire/WP, Claws/SR....[B]Troller[/B]: Ill/Rad, Fire/Kin...[B]Blaster[/B]: Fire/EM....[B]Defender[/B]: D3...[B]Brute[/B]: Elm/ElA...[B]EPIC[/B]: Widow, PB, Crab...CURRENTLY: 45 Stone/Stone Tank...38 AR/Rad Corr...21 Ice^3 Dom