Oh Joygasm! Merged Markets!
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Abigail Frost,
Posted on: 2010-06-22 11:13 in The Market and Inventions
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The RP baiting is because it was a very noisome RP advocate who was for a time there, aggressively and assiduously whining about the merger.
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Originally Posted by Megajoule
I honestly don't get all the RP-blaming. I'm an RPer, and I think a market merge is a good thing that's long overdue. I can think of a half-dozen RP justifications or excuses for a combined market, should I choose to acknowledge it in-character at all. The only thing keeping them separate was game design, which has apparently been rethought.
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Prices go up because of lack of supply. If no one is offering the things you want to buy, you will not be able to buy them no matter how much inf you have.|
Originally Posted by BlkFalcon
If prices for things go up, it's not a big deal. Making Inf in this game is stupidly easy.
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So, the question really is "what will merging the markets do to supply?" That will be very hard to answer in any straightforward manner, because many things will change all at once when GR comes out.
There will likely be a huge influx of new and returning players, so supply of certain items may well increase or decrease, depending on what they do: new activities will include switching sides, getting incarnate powers, starting new characters in Praetoria, the new Kinetic Melee and Electric Control sets.
But the supply of items does not increase uniformly for all types of play. Purples may decrease in supply for a time while players who normally farm them run lower level characters in Praetoria or create new characters with the new sets.
Similarly, those who currently farm merits may now do other things, which may reduce the number of rare recipes on the market. Or those rare midlevel recipes may increase if players creating those new characters make random rolls and sell them on the market.
Other technical changes may alter player behavior as well. The Incarnate system may affect the usefulness of certain types of recipes, increasing or decreasing demand for certain items.
If the changes to fix the ally XP nerf in AE work well, more players may use AE to get tickets for bronze rolls, which would increase the supply of uncommon and certain rare recipes.
It seems like the supply of salvage should increase because the vast majority of the new activities will still generate salvage. That should be across the board because so many new characters will be created.
Ultimately, there will be far too many changes in the game and player behavior to ascribe any meaningful causal relationship between the market merge and supply/demand/pricing.
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Nooooo then the miracle will also disappear |
Originally Posted by FourSpeed
Fulmen's 2B Luck Charms will get
delisted when GR goes live |
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QFAT.|
Originally Posted by Megajoule
I honestly don't get all the RP-blaming. I'm an RPer, and I think a market merge is a good thing that's long overdue. I can think of a half-dozen RP justifications or excuses for a combined market, should I choose to acknowledge it in-character at all. The only thing keeping them separate was game design, which has apparently been rethought.
Don't blame players; blame the designers at Cryptic and/or Paragon who made and upheld the decision, and have finally reversed it. |
I am an unrepentant hardened roleplayer and I apologize to nobody for it.
I am also on record in these forums as backing a market merger.
Perhaps a narrower brush is needed here?
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I really wasn't expecting this when I logged in this morning.
This is brilliant news!
And I'm another unrepentant roleplayer who's always favoured the merge.
As am I. The funny thing to me is that the 'RP Issue' that was being cited is only a RP issue if you make it one. Everything on the market's a fungible commodity, you're going to get it from someone.
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What about all the people that have bids out on non-existent items to store inf? Gonna have to start rolling some lowbies to hold the cash until the merger happens...
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Originally Posted by Chaos Creator
Nooooo then the miracle will also disappear
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Originally Posted by ChaosExMachina
1. Lower population leads to less efficiency & teaming
2. The merits are incredibly far from balance, requiring much harder tasks from villains to get them. This is because the merits are, absurdly, length only, with no adjustments according to difficulty, TFs quit (especially important to RSF), or player skill (which is much higher in most villain teams for many reasons). 3. There are MUCH more farmable arcs for heroes, especially Praetorian arcs. |
Merit wise , redside content is a lousy source the only thing that brought the corpse of the red market to life for even a while was AE with the exploit tactics and the boss farms. WI look forward to providing the merged market with my usual wares. I am hoping that the Dev team will look at the merit rewards for redside again and include failed and quit teams into the equation. Even if the Dev team doesn't chage the merit rewards with the other changes it will be a lot easier to kit out a red side toon.
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Abigail, as Talen alluded to, you (and Megajoule) are not nearly as active, vehement, confrontational, judgmental, or fanatical as the person being referred to. That person has become the defacto spokeperson for the RP community, if only due to his/her/its fervor and presence in nearly every discussion of this type. It's not right, but it's how things tend to happen. |
Originally Posted by Abigail Frost
QFAT.
I am an unrepentant hardened roleplayer and I apologize to nobody for it. I am also on record in these forums as backing a market merger. Perhaps a narrower brush is needed here? |
This is an obviously positive development and even the negatives aren't really negative (they're choices people make that put them in that situation).
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Since when was he specific to RP?
He's more like the spokesperson for self-righteous, yet nonsensical, moral judgment of exploiters, I mean those whose tastes are different than his.
A game is not supposed to be some kind of... place where people enjoy themselves!
As I've said elsewhere, I've always RP'd WW and the BM as being the same organization. This is just icing on the cake for me.
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and this is exactly why now is the perfect time for them to make this change. if it would have been done as a stand alone change, then everything under the sun, real or imagined, would have been blamed on the market merge |
Originally Posted by Rodion
Ultimately, there will be far too many changes in the game and player behavior to ascribe any meaningful causal relationship between the market merge and supply/demand/pricing.
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with so many changes affecting so many different aspects of the game, not really going to be possible to point to the market merge, in and of itself, being the reason for swings in market behavior.
Okay, now I've got two people I think you're talking about and am confused.
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What about Posi's market predictions and how negative they were? I'm half expecting him to make a doom post about the merger.
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Originally Posted by Starjammer
Nah. It just would've been too resource-intensive to keep up the split markets.
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The reason for RP blaming wasn't a universal RP blame. It was targetted specifically at the notion that there was only one way to RP the markets and that was that the heroes would never buy from the villains. Meanwhile many other RPing versions were indifferent or even pro-merger as you mention you could come up with. But that particular strain of RPer would not accept any version but their own.
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Originally Posted by Megajoule
I honestly don't get all the RP-blaming. I'm an RPer, and I think a market merge is a good thing that's long overdue. I can think of a half-dozen RP justifications or excuses for a combined market, should I choose to acknowledge it in-character at all. The only thing keeping them separate was game design, which has apparently been rethought.
Don't blame players; blame the designers at Cryptic and/or Paragon who made and upheld the decision, and have finally reversed it. |
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
Now this is something! I've mainly played heroes only because of market availability. Seems like my demons/traps will stay evil after all!
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People are blaming RPers, when they should more rightly be denouncing narrowminded RPers, and those RPers who aren't very good at it.
I'm not sure any of them should really be blamed though. I have yet to read a "merged markets will interfere with RP" post that was in any way logical, well thought-out, or anything more than a knee-jerk reaction to change; nothing that would bring anyone with a lick of sense around to their point of view.
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Originally Posted by Fulmens
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total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
I was going to build an exemplar build for my dark/shield and now is the time to do it lol. I'm not sure what will come of the market merger whether it be good or bad, but I'd rather not find out the hard way when I'm trying to get my enhancements.
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I am having the same problem, and I would venture that you and I have the same alt options in mind.
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Originally Posted by Talen Lee
Okay, now I've got two people I think you're talking about and am confused.
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RP wise, you could just say that the markets do what side swapping players would have done anyways: "gray area" gun runners would be moving stuff from Wentworth's to Black market due to the side swapping. Those who are willing to pay wouldn't care what "fell off the back of the truck" or not, since a purple IO is a purple IO at the end of the day.
Since things are about to get a lot more blended between the extreme sides, it makes perfect sense to merge the markets with the expansion, at least from an RP perspective. From a balance perspective its a massive pain in the *** to code in 3 markets, let alone play/maintain them.
"The RPers don't like merged markets!" is a bit of strawman argument though. Nobody likes having no IOs to slot their character out (villain side), or paying for astronomically priced white salvage for no logical reason hero side. I know any of my villains in character would be more than happy to buy from the goodie goodies if it got them a 90% discount. Hopefully a market blend will cause things to balance out on the prices, so IOs and salvage start reflecting the real world value of them.
Of course, there will be a tonne of action with Going Rogue with a mass torrent of new praetorian alts, and people dusting off their level 50s to do post level 50 advancement/side swapping, with lots of highs and lows going on, and plenty of ways to make money if you are willing to wait even a day on buys/sells.
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Originally Posted by Fulmens
My luck charms are gonna go away?
... I'll just have to BURN ANOTHER BILLION TO RELIST THEM. |
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Originally Posted by Emberly
I am having the same problem, and I would venture that you and I have the same alt options in mind.
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total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
I'm still wrapping my head around how much better off the game will be as a result of this and the Going Rogue system. Being able to play whatever AT I want, whichever side I want without being constrained by a malnourished redside market... Whatever reservations I might have had about Going Rogue (the expansion) have evaporated in one glorious instant.
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