Oh Joygasm! Merged Markets!
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Abigail Frost,
Posted on: 2010-06-22 11:13 in The Market and Inventions
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That doesn't mean that they aren't doing it for some of the "we told you so" reasons.|
Originally Posted by McBoo
I think the point that anvil is making is that the decision to merge the markets was made in the face of the upcoming Going Rogue expansion rather than in reaction to player requests or demands.
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It's only my opinion, but what I do not think motivated them to do this was real concern about the health of the markets. Instead, what WW says motivated it was a recognition of the on-going maintenance and development of code to "artificially" separate the markets. The escrow system, checks on what you could and couldn't trade, etc. were all creations they could just dump if they merged the markets. The idea that we get a stronger supply/demand pool seems to be a nice side effect didn't even make honorable mention - greater freedom of RP was the 2nd runner up.
But numerous posters, including quite a few who I rarely saw speak up on market matters, had posted in response to earlier GR market info releases, and many of them said they thought it was crazy to invent these new barriers, systems, and potentially a new currency. It seemed like an awful lot of work and complexity to maintain segregation. (Of course it helps to think that a merger would be a better situation than segregation with no other changes.) On that part, the devs do seem to have agreed.
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Include with that having to add a 3rd praetorian market, those cross teaming with no way to access a market, etc. It was not only awkward and absurd but would have made GR's titular feature annoying to use.
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
That doesn't mean that they aren't doing it for some of the "we told you so" reasons.
It's only my opinion, but what I do not think motivated them to do this was real concern about the health of the markets. Instead, what WW says motivated it was a recognition of the on-going maintenance and development of code to "artificially" separate the markets. The escrow system, checks on what you could and couldn't trade, etc. were all creations they could just dump if they merged the markets. The idea that we get a stronger supply/demand pool seems to be a nice side effect didn't even make honorable mention - greater freedom of RP was the 2nd runner up. But numerous posters, including quite a few who I rarely saw speak up on market matters, had posted in response to earlier GR market info releases, and many of them said they thought it was crazy to invent these new barriers, systems, and potentially a new currency. It seemed like an awful lot of work and complexity to maintain segregation. (Of course it helps to think that a merger would be a better situation than segregation with no other changes.) On that part, the devs do seem to have agreed. |
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Originally Posted by fulmens
i don't care who gets the kill sticker on their plane. I'm happy it happened.
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I came back from vacation to this..... all I can say is.....
WOOT!!!!
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Originally Posted by Megajoule
This, exactly. Which makes a lot of the self-back-patting look a bit like taking credit for the sun coming up today.
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-I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo Galilei
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While I'm glad to see this change come along, since it'll mean a little more balance in market prices, I can't help but worry about what new problems may come around with this.
Particularly I'm wondering about the post that Positron made regarding a market merger, the one that's been sigg'ed by Nethergoat.
I'm sure they're not idiots, so I'm wondering just what their crystal ball could've foretold. What do you all think?
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Originally Posted by Fenrisulfr
While I'm glad to see this change come along, since it'll mean a little more balance in market prices, I can't help but worry about what new problems may come around with this.
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| I'm sure they're not idiots, so I'm wondering just what their crystal ball could've foretold. What do you all think? |
So I would say, based on this, that Positron was probably only ambiguously certain of the 'possible problems' he's talking about, but wanted to sound more legitimate when he said 'No, because I don't know why not.' The larger market is the same as two smaller markets. Pressures equalise over time, it's just the nature of the beast. Rather than make a move that had potential to be unpopular without knowing one way or another, he professed to sekrit knowledge that meant that he didn't have to justify himself to us when we asked him for an explanation.
You know what I'm really happy about? I WILL NEVER HAVE TO READ ANOTHER MERGE THE MARKETS THREAD AGAIN!
Eventually someone will make an UNMERGE THE MARKET THREAD 
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The first thing is when he wrote that it was probably under the assumption villains and heroes would still not be able to trade or email stuff across factions but that has also been lifted according to WarWitch's post last Tuesday. So it is possible his predictions were based upon that situation and if so I would have to let him off the hook for said predictions.|
Originally Posted by Fenrisulfr
While I'm glad to see this change come along, since it'll mean a little more balance in market prices, I can't help but worry about what new problems may come around with this.
Particularly I'm wondering about the post that Positron made regarding a market merger, the one that's been sigg'ed by Nethergoat. I'm sure they're not idiots, so I'm wondering just what their crystal ball could've foretold. What do you all think? |
The most wrong theory people have about the merger is there will be more ability to manipulate the market. However as many of us know from practical experience the more people participating in a market niche the harder it is to score big. It will take a large and concentrated effort by people deliberately trying to manipulate market prices when everyone is working in the same market whereas now one person can run one item in the Black Market.
I also think his doom and gloom predictions were probably not what would have happened anyway. They've never really said what they expected to happen to the market when certain changes occurred in the game the past 3 years but there were plenty of people here who called most of them if not every single one.
Once GR is in open beta then we will have better ideas of what people can do and what they are most likely to do and then predictions will make more sense.
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This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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I ALREADY DID!!! |
Originally Posted by Santorican
You know what I'm really happy about? I WILL NEVER HAVE TO READ ANOTHER MERGE THE MARKETS THREAD AGAIN!
Eventually someone will make an UNMERGE THE MARKET THREAD |
(Granted it was a sarcastic one that poked at the current segregated markets and called for unmerging across the servers too.)
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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I haven't seen the quote you're referring to. Even so, my first thought on learning about the impending merger was that the devs probably ran into some intractable problems while attempting to implement their "alternate solutions" to the market, and finally had to give in and just do it. As much as I try to give them credit for the good things they do, I just didn't see them coming around on the matter of the merger on their own.|
Originally Posted by UberGuy
what WW says motivated it was a recognition of the on-going maintenance and development of code to "artificially" separate the markets.
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It's disappointing to see that I was right.
When the markets are merged and armageddon doesn't come to pass, I'm sure many will take that as proof the markets should have been merged long ago, while others will argue that in the ensuing years the two factions have closed the gap enough to make the merger a viable endeavor.
Edit: That's not to say I don't give credit to those who have been incessantly beating the merger drum. I certainly do. The way I look at it, if the devs had to be dragged kicking and screaming to a merger, even in the face of all the loud voices asking for it, I don't want to try to imagine the kludgey non-merger solution we might have been saddled with otherwise.
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I agree, the daily posts of people basically saying they were planning to leave redside forever specifically due to the market probably had some impact.
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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
In particular I suspect the number of people who made comments along the lines of making all of their villains vigilantes so that they can enjoy redside content but have access to the good market made an impact on the devs's thinking.
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I was actually looking forward to Posi's "solution" to the market dilemma, in a kind of ooh look at that bus load of clowns heading for a sheer cliff! way.
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Originally Posted by Supernumiphone
.....I don't want to try to imagine the kludgey non-merger solution we might have been saddled with otherwise.
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There are two possible reasons
1. This change is occurring because they listened to the extensive player feedback that ranged from in-depth analysis of markets to a large number of people simply stating they would flee the redside.
2 Because they simply realized that two markets are more work than one and they don't really care what we think one way or the other as their workload takes precedence.
I know the announcement makes it sound like #2 is the reason, but I'm hopeful it was because they listen to their players like they claim in other interviews/marketing material and because they decided to utilize their thinking caps for a bit.
I have no problem giving the players credit and my thanks for their hard work in making this happen. I don't think the second scenario is very flattering on the company or the devs, so even though they effectively said it was the reason...I hope for more from them.
gj players that worked so hard to make this happen regardless of the actual impact it had.
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I was looking at it sort of the way you do a likeable but extraneous character in a horror/slasher movie. You rather hope they don't bite it, but the set up makes it look like they will, and you are just stuck watching them blunder towards their presumed ill fate.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
I was actually looking forward to Posi's "solution" to the market dilemma, in a kind of ooh look at that bus load of clowns heading for a sheer cliff! way.
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