Super Booster UPDATE!
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Posted on: 2010-06-16 11:34 in The Global Training Room Test Server
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Interestingly, I did make that argument, albeit in a different post. I would say the tail can be critical (or at least its absence can be distracting...I've always found staring my characters' unadorned backsides distracting, but that's just me), but it doesn't absolutely prevent one from making a wolf-guy, no. However, it's a needless restriction that doesn't exist for cat-guys, rabbit-guys, lizard-guys, and so forth.|
Originally Posted by Decorum
And it's entirely possible to make a wolf-man prior to this booster pack. Since when is "tail" a critical part of a wolf-man? I made a wolf-guy (long since deleted) my first week or so way back in 2006.
EDIT: Duh, sorry, I totally missed your point, didn't I? Um, nevermind. **blush** |
In fact, the rabbit tail was not in at launch or CoV. It was added for free upon repeated requests because we already had rabbit ears, but no matching tail. We already have 95% of the parts needed to make a werewolf, why can't their tail be added for free to complete the "outfit" as well?
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It was/is also entirely possible to make a werewolf character before this booster pack comes out. You know how I know? I've made and seen 'em in the game.
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Originally Posted by IanTheM1
I vehemently disagree. It was entirely possible to make a cyborg prior to the booster pack, it was entirely possible to make a mad scientist prior to the booster pack, it was entirely possible to make a ninja prior to the booster pack, and it was entirely possible to make a wizard prior to the booster pack, which I won't bother linking to, since that one has about three kajillion possible permutations.
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That particular segment was my saving throw at trying to believe the wolf tail's inclusion wasn't a marketing scheme and instead overenthusiastic wish-granting.
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Originally Posted by Hallowed
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a) that the tail was made in about a week, just in response to people complaining b) that if you believe "a)" they could have made an entire animal part booster pack in time for the pack to go live?!? |
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I see it as both. |
Originally Posted by IanTheM1
That particular segment was my saving throw at trying to believe the wolf tail's inclusion wasn't a marketing scheme and instead overenthusiastic wish-granting.
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David said "Hey, we already have this tail that The Sexxy One has been working on, and (many) people thought that the Mutant Booster would be about animal parts and are disappointed... waitaminit... 2+2=... Hey! I have a great idea!"
Meanwhile, marketing said "Muahahahahaha! Brilliant! This will get the unwashed to buy more Mutant Booster packs! Great idea!"
I wonder if the lack of further comment is due to the war that is currently raging between the Devs and Marketting...
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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Wow. You just characterized all cyborgs as a single general type no matter the broad variety of different mechanical bodies available and all ninjas as the same general type no matter the variety of different costumes and types available, and then the biggest extreme, all wizards as one type, even admitting the huge variety of them. BUT you then categorize a dog with a tail as something fundamentally different and inseparable from a dog without a tail.|
Originally Posted by IanTheM1
I vehemently disagree. It was entirely possible to make a cyborg prior to the booster pack, it was entirely possible to make a mad scientist prior to the booster pack, it was entirely possible to make a ninja prior to the booster pack, and it was entirely possible to make a wizard prior to the booster pack, which I won't bother linking to, since that one has about three kajillion possible permutations.
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That is one of the most asinine and hypocritical things you could have said.
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| On the other hand, I've never raised a big stink about booster packs before, because for the most part their pieces weren't character-defining in my opinion. They were generally extensions of existing costume themes with slightly higher-quality designs and other bells and whistles. Even the initial Mutant booster sets operated like this. |
It is NOT a character defining piece, as exemplified by the wide variety of people who will be adding it to already existing characters with no change in character concept. Stop pretending it's such a big deal. And my god have mercy on your soul.
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As I said in the other thread, this addition has me torn.|
Originally Posted by IanTheM1
Normally I would agree Sam, but I know for a fact that there would be no compelling reason to make the wolf tail unlockable. They just wouldn't. We've had absolutely free costume parts in the past that did not require unlocking.
Also, just to send the message home: I was originally planning on buying the Mutant Booster, since I actually like the Organic Armor and Bioluminescent costumes a whole lot, but the sudden inclusion of the wolf tail feels like a cheap marketing ploy and makes me feel that Paragon Studios is losing a grip on its principles, so I think I'd rather keep my $20. I'll keep pushing this as hard as I can prior to June 24th, because I know after that they will never budge for fear of upsetting those who really did pay $10 just for a wolf tail. |
The posts I made in favor of fluffy wolf-fox-skunk-raccoon-lemur-coyote-etc. tails were specifically aimed at a full-on Beast Pack if they weren't going to be added for free. I don't care for the Mutant Pack, and this doesn't fit in thematically with the rest of the pieces. It feels like an add-on in order to squelch disappointment in the pack and boost sales of this booster.
Don't get me wrong, listening to the playerbase is a great thing, and this looks like a terrific addition... it's just bundling it with the Mutant booster is the wrong way to go about this.
I can't really justify spending money for 14 things I don't want to get the single thing I do want. If, however, the art team were to kick out the stops and add another dozen pieces to the Mutant Pack and make it more of a Beast Pack (wolf heads, dog heads, bird heads, bird tails, animal claws to replace the weapon set Claws, etc.), then I'd be fully on board. Otherwise I agree with Ian and the others who see this as a cheap marketing ploy.
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I'm really hoping it's not a cynical move. I really, really do.
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Originally Posted by Hallowed
I see it as both.
David said "Hey, we already have this tail that The Sexxy One has been working on, and (many) people thought that the Mutant Booster would be about animal parts and are disappointed... waitaminit... 2+2=... Hey! I have a great idea!" Meanwhile, marketing said "Muahahahahaha! Brilliant! This will get the unwashed to buy more Mutant Booster packs! Great idea!" |
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My current plan is to let this percolate for about another half-day and if we don't get some kind of official response by then, I'll try PMing David directly with a cleaned-up version of my concerns.
Normally I wouldn't be in vicious-pester mode, but we only have about a week to convince them before I'd think it'd be considered too late.
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Why can't we have it for free?
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Has there ever been a booster pack that you loved every bit of? Most folks are paying for just one or two things in any pack they buy, and rarely if ever use the rest. Better to add something popular to a pack that wasn't getting much positive reviews in order to get it into more hands rather than just sit on their hands and allow all that negativity to fester for the next one. Like it or not, that's smart business, and that's what all this is really all about: How to get more people to part with more money.
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Originally Posted by Ironik
As I said in the other thread, this addition has me torn.
The posts I made in favor of fluffy wolf-fox-skunk-raccoon-lemur-coyote-etc. tails were specifically aimed at a full-on Beast Pack if they weren't going to be added for free. I don't care for the Mutant Pack, and this doesn't fit in thematically with the rest of the pieces. It feels like an add-on in order to squelch disappointment in the pack and boost sales of this booster. Don't get me wrong, listening to the playerbase is a great thing, and this looks like a terrific addition... it's just bundling it with the Mutant booster is the wrong way to go about this. I can't really justify spending money for 14 things I don't want to get the single thing I do want. If, however, the art team were to kick out the stops and add another dozen pieces to the Mutant Pack and make it more of a Beast Pack (wolf heads, dog heads, bird heads, bird tails, animal claws to replace the weapon set Claws, etc.), then I'd be fully on board. Otherwise I agree with Ian and the others who see this as a cheap marketing ploy. Please don't make me lose my guy love for you, David. |
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Beast Pack is something seperate.|
Originally Posted by Ironik
If, however, the art team were to kick out the stops and add another dozen pieces to the Mutant Pack and make it more of a Beast Pack (wolf heads, dog heads, bird heads, bird tails, animal claws to replace the weapon set Claws, etc.), then I'd be fully on board.
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Many people specifically requested the wolf/fox tail be added to the Mutant Pack, and they got their wish.
This is a good thing.
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The two packs I bought I did so because there were numerous pieces I liked. The ones which only had one or two pieces I liked were given a pass.|
Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
Has there ever been a booster pack that you loved every bit of? Most folks are paying for just one or two things in any pack they buy, and rarely if ever use the rest. Better to add something popular to a pack that wasn't getting much positive reviews in order to get it into more hands rather than just sit on their hands and allow all that negativity to fester for the next one. Like it or not, that's smart business, and that's what all this is really all about: How to get more people to part with more money.
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The problem with this -- for me -- is that the wolf/fox tail is so iconic to comics and I can use it on a few of my characters. Ultimately I can't justify spending $10 for a single costume piece, so this fails for me, and it's the sort of thing that keeps me conflicted about the game. It also fails for Paragon Studios, because this addition, by itself, isn't going to convince me to spend money. I just feel nickel and dimed by this type of behavior, which means I feel less likely to spend money on other boosters in the future.
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I didn't see anyone asking specifically for this to be added to this pack. I saw a lot of people saying they had assumed beast parts would be in the pack given Positron's teaser from a few months ago. If they threw in another dozen (or heck, even a half-dozen) useful beast pieces, I'd change my mind about this booster and buy it without hesitation.
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Originally Posted by Kitsune9tails
Beast Pack is something seperate.
Many people specifically requested the wolf/fox tail be added to the Mutant Pack, and they got their wish. This is a good thing. |
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Nah. As you might imagine, we're quite busy with GOING ROGUE.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
I wonder if the lack of further comment is due to the war that is currently raging between the Devs and Marketting...
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I for one am quite pleased with things as they stand or may soon stand.. whatever the temporal hoo-hah may be.
I'm just happy for the Fox/wolf tail so that my fox-girls can be recognized as such instead of the "Hey, cool catgirl!" reactions.
And heck, I buy the boosters anyway because I suffer from Altitis like you would not believe.
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It's even more confusing for those of us who come from the past and have traveled, and settled in, far into the future, but are visiting in the here and now.
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Originally Posted by Happy_Grin
I for one am quite pleased with things as they stand or may soon stand.. whatever the temporal hoo-hah may be.
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I genuinely think it was a gesture of good faith. Jay probably got the tail done ahead of schedule (artists will do that when they get "sucked into" a project sometimes) and they threw a bone to those who would like it. I would HOPE that they realized that us handful of forumites might be helpful with suggestions, but we're not the playerbase by far and it probably didn't have that much effect on sales of this pack (a little, but not the kind of effect you'd want to see if you were being a "cynical marketer").
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Ironik has high hopes: I'm really hoping it's not a cynical move. I really, really do. |
Dec out.
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Requesting a bees knees costume piece in the next pack!
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Originally Posted by ThongSnapper
Awesome! You guys are the bees knees!!
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Yeah, but, but...|
Originally Posted by David Nakayama
Nah. As you might imagine, we're quite busy with GOING ROGUE.
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Awww...go and ruin my happy day dream of someone doing a Dio Brando on marketting;
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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Clave_Dark_5 wants leg joints: Requesting a bees knees costume piece in the next pack! |
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Dec out.
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Not sure if this was cleared up or not, but I am fairly certain this was only a joke. A play on words for the "Four Horseman of the Apocalypse".
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Originally Posted by CaptainAmazing
Ya'know. I'm not a furry, but I'm pretty sure that they are allowed to exist without stereotypes and hate mongering remarks o.0
I've never understood why Furries=Evil/Sin in many peoples eyes. If it's what they want to practice, why impede them. Didn't the world unite against a group that was trying to destroy people for what they practiced and believed? :P I recall reading that somewhere :P However, a horse is something I doubt we could do, the closest to a horse person I ever saw was the Bothans in SWG :P Peace, -C.A. |
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Originally Posted by David Nakayama
Nah. As you might imagine, we're quite busy with GOING ROGUE.
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*shrug* I -am- all for listening to the playerbase and trying to appease, but....when game bugs and glitches that have been around forever (and asked to be fixed for just as long) gets pushed aside just so some people can have a freaking furry tail to add to their characters......it saddens me.