I was promised Fish Heads!
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Aggelakis,
Posted on: 2010-06-11 13:20 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Thats like wearing a Nazi uniform because your a military uniform enthusiast, then claiming to be puzzled when you walk into a Holocaust survivors re-union and everyones offended.|
Originally Posted by TrueMetal
Meh. I generally don't care how people perceive me, or if they somehow take offense to things I never intended to be offensive.
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Odd analogy, I admit, but its the clearest one I could thing of in my current state.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Thats like wearing a Nazi uniform because your a military uniform enthusiast, then claiming to be puzzled when you walk into a Holocaust survivors re-union and everyones offended.
Odd analogy, I admit, but its the clearest one I could thing of in my current state. |
I so didn't see that one coming.
If you'd do something like that on purpose, then you're an ***.
If I'd just happen to pass by the re-union in that uniform and people would take offense to it, I'd just shrug and keep walking.
@True Metal
Co-leader of Callous Crew SG. Based on Union server.
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What you said doesn't offend me. It pisses me off. I was pretty pissed off when I saw what I was getting and what I was NOT getting in that pack, so believe me when I say that the last thing I need is someone gloating about it. You may not have intended it like that, but you walked into a thread where you should have known angry people would congregate and proceeded to smile at their misfortune. Can you not see how that would have made us even more angry, and specifically at you? Really?|
Originally Posted by TrueMetal
Oversensitive? I'm still thinking yuo all are blowing things way out of proportention and are just looking for things to get offended by.
You express your opinion, I express mine, it just happens to be the complete opposite. That is in no way intended to be insulting or whateveer, if you experience it that way then the problem lies with you, not me. |
I'm sorry. Tolerance, understanding and equality is one thing. Anger is a completely different thing.
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While I suddenly don't condone or excuse football violence, imagine the following: A team just lost, and you walk into a pub full of fans of the team fuming at the defeat, then loudly proclaim "Gorhs, I sure am glad those guys lost!" Just picture this and tell me what you'd expect to transpire.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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The difference being that you'd be an idiot to walk into a supporters pub from an opposing team and start riling things up intentionally. If it was just a regular pub visited by supporters from various clubs than you should be able to freely voice your opinion and be happy that your team won at the expense of the opposition without getten beaten up. That's how things work around here anyway. |
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
What you said doesn't offend me. It pisses me off. I was pretty pissed off when I saw what I was getting and what I was NOT getting in that pack, so believe me when I say that the last thing I need is someone gloating about it. You may not have intended it like that, but you walked into a thread where you should have known angry people would congregate and proceeded to smile at their misfortune. Can you not see how that would have made us even more angry, and specifically at you? Really?
I'm sorry. Tolerance, understanding and equality is one thing. Anger is a completely different thing. *edit* While I suddenly don't condone or excuse football violence, imagine the following: A team just lost, and you walk into a pub full of fans of the team fuming at the defeat, then loudly proclaim "Gorhs, I sure am glad those guys lost!" Just picture this and tell me what you'd expect to transpire. |
Here we are in a discussions forum where everyone can voice their opinion. I just saw everyone and their mother complaining about no animal heads, and I'd just thought to let it be known that there are also people who don't give a crap about animal heads and are infact very happy with the things in this pack.
@True Metal
Co-leader of Callous Crew SG. Based on Union server.
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Being happy with the things in the pack =/= Being happy other people didnt get something
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Originally Posted by TrueMetal
The difference being that you'd be an idiot to walk into a supporters pub from an opposing team and start riling things up intentionally. If it was just a regular pub visited by supporters from various clubs than you should be able to freely voice your opinion and be happy that your team won at the expense of the opposition without getten beaten up. That's how things work around here anyway.
Here we are in a discussions forum where everyone can voice their opinion. I just saw everyone and their mother complaining about no animal heads, and I'd just thought to let it be known that there are also people who don't give a crap about animal heads and are infact very happy with the things in this pack. |
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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This is the comment that started all this.| I, for one, am incredibly happy the devs didn't turn the Mutant booster into an Animal booster, and instead chose to go with the sort of weird, well, mutated look that I love. |
Being happy with things in the pack = Being happy others didn't get what they wanted.
You might not experience it that way, but it's the same thing, you can't have one without the other.
@True Metal
Co-leader of Callous Crew SG. Based on Union server.
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Good christ the martyr complex on this forum is unbelievable sometimes.
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Originally Posted by TrueMetal
This is the comment that started all this.
Being happy with things in the pack = Being happy others didn't get what they wanted. You might not experience it that way, but it's the same thing, you can't have one without the other. |
Lets just agree to disagree, eh?
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Ideally, so it should be, but human nature being what it is, that's not always how it plays out. I can't speak for other people, but as for myself, I was pissed off. Big time. I tried not to make a big deal out of it because I realise it was my own fault for building up false expectations, but I was still pissed off. And much as I try to keep a level head and stick to the moral high ground, I was still pissed off. I'm not sure if other people were as angry as I was, though I imagine at least a couple were.|
Originally Posted by TrueMetal
The difference being that you'd be an idiot to walk into a supporters pub from an opposing team and start riling things up intentionally. If it was just a regular pub visited by supporters from various clubs than you should be able to freely voice your opinion and be happy that your team won at the expense of the opposition without getten beaten up. That's how things work around here anyway.
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Point is, what you did was a provocation. In an ideal world, we'd be able to laugh it off and all live happily ever after, but the world of angry people is often rather a very imperfect one. We get angry at things that, logically, we should be tolerant towards, but that's just how it goes.
You also have to be aware of the other side of the matter. There are several people around here, and I've started taking names, who've made it a point to act like intolerant bigots, and have gone out of their ways to insult and belittle people for so much as mentioning animal parts. I would like to punch these people. I make no qualms about that.
So please understand that when I met the (self-inflicted) disappointment from the Mutant pack AND had to suffer the fool of belligerent jackasses adding insult to injury, that your comment, benign as it is upon reflection, really did rub me the wrong way. I don't want to be ugly here and pester you with this, and I do apologise for making a big deal out of it, but try to understand why I and several other people might be "pretty upset."
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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I would have liked to use some animal heads for some AE characters. But Cest la vie or whatever.
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, by CoH's origin definitions, wouldn't be mutants. They were four normal, non-ninja, unmutated baby turtles that got flushed down a toilet and then doused in a strange glowing chemical that a big bad evil corporation flushed down the toilet as well. Science origin, not mutant, by CoH's very loose definitions.
For that matter, most of the "animal-human hybrids" you see in media wouldn't really fit in a 'mutant' pack either. They are also largely science experiments, science experiments gone awry, magical mishaps, etc.
For example:
Beast: Mutant
The Lizard: Science
Wolfsbane: Natural (not a mutant anymore, she, Wolverine, and Sabretooth got retconned into genuine wolf/human hybrid people. Yeah, I think it's dumb too.)
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Science
Monkey Fist & Gill (from Kim Possible): Science
Hybrids from the Isle of Dr. Moreau: Science
Street Sharks: Science
Thundercats: Natural (they're aliens)
Captain Carrot and his Amazing Zoo Crew: Natural
Battletoads: Science (or Alien Space Magic, I don't remember, but I'm pretty sure it was sceince)
So, it would be far more appropriate to see animal/human hybrid items in a "gene splicing" pack or a "science experiment gone wrong" pack or an "I Escaped from a Crey Genetics Lab!" (just like Mynx, the game's first iconic animal/human hybrid) pack.
Still, I'm sorry y'all didn't get what you want. I can't play the game at all right now (since Hughes.net is the worst ISP), so I can totally understand your frustration for not getting what you want. That said, all you can do right now is come up with a plan to convince David that animal/human hybrid parts are in more demand than he realizes, because it's fairly clear that it will take some amount of convincing in order to show that there is a demand for such a thing. Likely, he's basing 'demand' on how often the current "manbearpig" animal heads actually get used and, since they're ugly as sin, coming to the wrong conclusions.
It may be worth the art department's time to put up a list of a half-dozen or so possible "super booster ideas", complete with a rationale and general explaination (in advance) of approximately what each booster would contain, and then let people vote on which interest them from "most interested" to "least interested" (and then linky the quiz right on the game's loader, so people who care can have a say and people who don't can be surprised/whine on the forums about it).
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That's kind of what bugs me. I know David is playing devil's advocate (because he said so |
Originally Posted by PoptartsNinja
Still, I'm sorry y'all didn't get what you want. I can't play the game at all right now (since Hughes.net is the worst ISP), so I can totally understand your frustration for not getting what you want. That said, all you can do right now is come up with a plan to convince David that animal/human hybrid parts are in more demand than he realizes, because it's fairly clear that it will take some amount of convincing in order to show that there is a demand for such a thing. Likely, he's basing 'demand' on how often the current "manbearpig" animal heads actually get used and, since they're ugly as sin, coming to the wrong conclusions.
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), but the general feeling I'm getting from there is... Disconcerting. It's a state of "This is a bad idea, but try and convince me otherwise." which is actually a step down from "Give me a good idea and I'll see about it." In the other art threads, it was usually a case of just suggesting what you wanted and all ideas were considered. Here, we seem to have to prove not just that the idea is good, but that it's POPULAR, which is a pretty... Bad thing to ask from a playerbase with no tools for statistics.And, yeah, looking at how many people are making animal costumes now would be a pretty bad idea. It'd be akin to trying to judge the merit of heavier-than-air flight by looking at how many people were building airplanes in the middle ages. I don't think David is falling for that, however, as that's a pretty obvious fallacy, but what he DOES seem to be falling for is the idea that "it's not represented in comic books."
Not only is that a bad criteria, given all the stuff we've been given that isn't very popular in comic books, but we've been repeatedly told over the years that "because it is/isn't like that in comic books" will never trump good game design or player request as an argument, and that's exactly what feels like it's happening here.
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| It may be worth the art department's time to put up a list of a half-dozen or so possible "super booster ideas", complete with a rationale and general explaination (in advance) of approximately what each booster would contain, and then let people vote on which interest them from "most interested" to "least interested" (and then linky the quiz right on the game's loader, so people who care can have a say and people who don't can be surprised/whine on the forums about it). |
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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You know, saying "I didn't *mean* to insult you, so stop being offended" is kind of like saying "I didn't *mean* to elbow you in the solar plexus, so stop being in pain".
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Originally Posted by TrueMetal
Oversensitive? I'm still thinking yuo all are blowing things way out of proportention and are just looking for things to get offended by.
You express your opinion, I express mine, it just happens to be the complete opposite. That is in no way intended to be insulting or whateveer, if you experience it that way then the problem lies with you, not me. |
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In this case, I think it's more like "I didn't mean to brush elbows with you, stop being so offended."|
Originally Posted by Silver Gale
You know, saying "I didn't *mean* to insult you, so stop being offended" is kind of like saying "I didn't *mean* to elbow you in the solar plexus, so stop being in pain".
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I still think it's kind of funny that my comment got blown so far out of proportion.
Edit: Just because it's fitting:
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This can't be the first time you've met Sam Tow on the forums.
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Originally Posted by poptart_fairy
Good christ the martyr complex on this forum is unbelievable sometimes.
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I have to go to Tow here. He took pleasure in the irritation and disappointment of others. That is rather damming any way you look at it.
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Originally Posted by TrueMetal
Oversensitive? I'm still thinking yuo all are blowing things way out of proportention and are just looking for things to get offended by.
You express your opinion, I express mine, it just happens to be the complete opposite. That is in no way intended to be insulting or whateveer, if you experience it that way then the problem lies with you, not me. |
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Yano... If you're suggesting that I'm a martyr because I get pissed off, I think you're missing the point of what a martyr actually is. A martyr would be a person who suffers pain and indignity for the sake of other people without complaint. I'm kind of the opposite, really. I get pissed off, complain and rant a lot, and any pain I suffer I suffer for myself and because of myself.|
Originally Posted by Razoras
This can't be the first time you've met Sam Tow on the forums.
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But thank you for the compliment, just the same.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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You take great pleasure in tormenting and griefing people on the forum, I notice*.|
Originally Posted by Mad_Cow_Milk
I have to go to Tow here. He took pleasure in the irritation and disappointment of others. That is rather damming any way you look at it.
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* Noticed because you haven't expressed a clear, specific denial, obviously.
Posting in an Epic Thread.
If it makes people feel any better none of my characters really need a Fish Head, and I don't have a concept in mind to use it.
My point is More Choice Is Better and I'd like to see us keep parity with Champions Online as far as non-human heads go.
Agua Man lvl 48 Water/Electric Blaster
"To die hating NCSoft for shutting down City of Heroes, that was Freedom."
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I have not gone out of my way to make fun of people. I just rather not fight with you, as I feel you are trying to egg me on into one.
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Originally Posted by poptart_fairy
You take great pleasure in tormenting and griefing people on the forum, I notice*.
* Noticed because you haven't expressed a clear, specific denial, obviously. |
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Seconded. Heck, I keep finding uses for stuff I don't think I'll need, maybe a fish head could be useful!
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Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
Posting in an Epic Thread.
If it makes people feel any better none of my characters really need a Fish Head, and I don't have a concept in mind to use it. My point is More Choice Is Better and I'd like to see us keep parity with Champions Online as far as non-human heads go. |
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Nor did Sam, yet here we are. Inconsistency, hoooooooo~
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Originally Posted by Mad_Cow_Milk
I have not gone out of my way to make fun of people.
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You could have said that in the first place, but you didn't.|
Originally Posted by poptart_fairy
Nor did Sam, yet here we are. Inconsistency, hoooooooo~
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Making people run around to make your self feel superior and seem right isn't all the impressive, especially if I can spot this mind game (yeah I honestly don't think I can spot many, but meh, at least I know that).
I am willing to accept that it MIGHT have been unintentional, but it defiantly didn't seem that way to me.
We now return you to our regularly scheduled thread, already in progress...
Dec out.
Saying "Im glad you didnt what you were after (and frankly promised)" makes other people want to tell you to kindly go to hell.
@True Metal
Co-leader of Callous Crew SG. Based on Union server.