Can We Please Get an Epic Boss/AV Warning on Ouroborus Missions?
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2010-06-10 14:52 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I think only 1 poster here actually disagreed with the idea. the others(myself included) have asked for some specifics about the EB and offered some general suggestions for completing the mission in question.
I also think most of us here would offer several in depth strategies for the fight if we knew more about the situation.
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Whether it was Frostfire or Requiem is largely irrelevant. The details of this particular encounter don't dismiss that giving the players a warning before embarking on an Ouro's story arc would be very helpful. Then the player can decide if they want to make the preparations necessary to overcome the challenge or simply select another story arc.
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Originally Posted by Zubenelgenubi
I notice that you still haven't told us all the details of the 'troller you are playing (secondary? power selections?), or the name of the Elite Boss. Could it be that if you do so, someone with a 'troller of that type will go and run the mission and show that it isn't nearly as hard as you say it is? Just guessing here. (Nor have you told us your difficulty settings.)
So until you give up more details, I'm calling Shenanigan. And several good suggestions have been made as to how you can try handling epic bosses to make them less frustrating. I can think of a couple of other obvious ones that have not been suggested yet, but you just dismissed the ones already offered out of hand. Getting a whole set of shivans is the work of half an hour tops. One full set of them will help on several encounters. You insist that you want to be able to solo everything, but the single most powerful tool in the game for doing just that is something you scoff at. |
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Originally Posted by Zubenelgenubi
notice that you still haven't told us all the details of the 'troller you are playing (secondary? power selections?), or the name of the Elite Boss. Could it be that if you do so, someone with a 'troller of that type will go and run the mission and show that it isn't nearly as hard as you say it is? Just guessing here. (Nor have you told us your difficulty settings.)
So until you give up more details, I'm calling Shenanigan. |
What is your obsession with getting details on the encounter? I didn't ask you for a strategy guide on how to beat an elite boss. I normally try to be a bit more reserved but your post is completely off topic. If you want to come up with strategies for beating elite bosses please go do it somewhere else. I'm just concentrated on which mission arcs they show up in not getting into a fight with you about whether I personally suck at fighting them. Meanwhile if you want to go fight elite bosses with lvl 25 Mind/Ice/Earth Controllers knock yourself out.
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I have no idea what you are talking about and it's apparent neither do you. I'm sorry for being so feisty but did you even read the title of this thread, my original post, or any follow up leading up to this statement? Again not interested in a personal conflict with you since we are all just players in a video game, but since you're going out of your way to start an argument over something that I never requested I'm going to meet you eye to eye. Please read the title of the thread before you make further accusations about what was requested.
| You insist that you want to be able to solo everything, but the single most powerful tool in the game for doing just that is something you scoff at |
Having experience with mind/kin I can definitely support what Tex is saying. If an EB has ptod the set is bordering on useless. Not only is establishing containment a rare occurrence which means your damage is very low, but they are free to roam around and punch your face in compared to all the other sets than can immob them in place, or use phantom army.
I remember solo'ing the Maria Jenkins arc and if I couldn't kill the EB before my full tray of def insp ran out I was dead. It was always very very close.
But that is largely irrelevant to the point being discussed. It would be helpful if the arc warned of such encounters before you embark on it. Yes you can look it up on the wiki...should you have to?
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I think being a veteran of the game I generally know which arcs have Elite Bosses in them and which don't, but that doesn't help newer players. I'd support some sort of a warning, perhaps something similar to what Mission Architect does.|
Originally Posted by Frosticus
Having experience with mind/kin I can definitely support what Tex is saying. If an EB has ptod the set is bordering on useless. Not only is establishing containment a rare occurrence which means your damage is very low, but they are free to roam around and punch your face in compared to all the other sets than can immob them in place, or use phantom army.
I remember solo'ing the Maria Jenkins arc and if I couldn't kill the EB before my full tray of def insp ran out I was dead. It was always very very close. But that is largely irrelevant to the point being discussed. It would be helpful if the arc warned of such encounters before you embark on it. Yes you can look it up on the wiki...should you have to? |
For the off topic part of the discussion, not all EBs are created equal, and the same goes for characters. There are going to be some EBs your controller or defender can absolutely destroy, and there's going to be a few that give you fits.
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EBs and AVs can be soloed by anyone who knows what they're doing, even if you have to use temporary powers such as Shivans and the arsenal recently introduced in i17 (Med Pack, Recovery Serum, Envenomed Dagger, Kinetic Dampener and Backup Radio are especially useful).
That being said, (dare I say?) most people are casual players who just play for the fun and don't waste their time in useless things such as number crunching, game mechanics and researching resources, so an EB/AV warning label in Ouro arcs only seems fair.
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Originally Posted by Silverado
EBs and AVs can be soloed by anyone who knows what they're doing, even if you have to use temporary powers such as Shivans and the arsenal recently introduced in i17 (Med Pack, Recovery Serum, Envenomed Dagger, Kinetic Dampener and Backup Radio are especially useful).
That being said, (dare I say?) most people are casual players who just play for the fun and don't waste their time in useless things such as number crunching, game mechanics and researching resources, so an EB/AV warning label in Ouro arcs only seems fair. |
I think this sums it up pretty well actually. Even though I do have a decent-ish understanding of game mechanics I haven't spent a lot of timing soloing. My first toon was an Earth/Thermal, second was Ice/Therm, and my main (this character) is a Mind/Cold. I have always played this game for the PUGing, have never had a character who could hold his or her own in the damage department, and for the most part have simply run Task Forces and radio teams. When I do solo, mostly due to team inavailability, it's radio missions because their difficulty level is easy to predict.
Now we did just get one major improvement to the game for players like me and that is the ability to abandon missions. I can't tell you what a huge relief that is. That's because with character who struggle to deal enough damage to take out a regular boss, elite bosses have long been my bane. I was too hasty in calling them "impossible." What they really are is just "incredibly irritating" for me. The difficulty gap between a regular boss and an elite one is extreme. Getting to the end of a mission and finding out the guy I'm supposed to kill is an elite boss was always a huge let down. And then I was stuck with the mission in my que. So for two years I pretty much didn't do any solo content at all, except for the aforementioned radio missions.
I really don't think I'm asking for anything too extreme here. I don't care that I suck at fighting elite bosses and despite what some people have tried to claim have never said I want to be able to solo them. This is not a competition for me. I just want to a tool to help me avoid them altogether. They are the opposite of fun. As is gathering up a massive pool of temporary resources to deal with something the character is natively unequiped to handle.
The point isn't whether or not the OP can solo the Elite Boss, the point is whether or not the OP wants to. Obviously he doesn't. If the Elite Boss had shown up in a regular arc he could have auto-completed the mission, or asked for help, but in an Ouroboros arc his options are 1: drop the arc, 2: solo the Elite Boss.
"Look it up on ParagonWiki" is not an acceptable solution. Third-party resources are not required to play the game.
"Get a Shivan," "change your difficulty," etc etc, are all based on the assumption that the OP actually wants to solo the Elite Boss. He doesn't.
"Not every AT can solo everything:" You just argued the OP's point.
Ultimately, adding EB warnings to the beginning of flashback missions hurts no one. Those of you who can solo anything can ignore them, so any arguments against them can be translated as "learn2ply n00b" and treated accordingly.
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I'd definitely like this. I'm familiar with the system enough that I usually have some idea how the following encounter's going to go, but that's beside the point. When I'm playing on a character who can't solo elite bosses on some regular story arcs, the 'This guy's tough. You may wanna bring some team-mates' line in the mission briefing text is greatly appreciated, because then I can just choose not to accept the mission. If I played through four missions through Ouroboros and then found out that there was an EB in the arc, I'd be pretty bummed too.
Totally /signed.
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I laughed so hard at this. If anything, I'd way prefer this over a little textual warning. |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I thought maybe they meant they wanted an epic warning about how dangerous the mission could be - like just before you enter, Rularuu comes running out of the mission door screaming "Don't go in there! Don't go in there!"
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**shrugs** /signed. It doesn't have to be anything special. The standard "this guy's tough, you might want to bring some friends" would be fine.
EDIT: OK, StormSurvivor, GET OUT OF MY HEAD!
Dec out.
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Backup radio is one I've never seen. What does it do ?
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Originally Posted by Silverado
EBs and AVs can be soloed by anyone who knows what they're doing, even if you have to use temporary powers such as Shivans and the arsenal recently introduced in i17 (Med Pack, Recovery Serum, Envenomed Dagger, Kinetic Dampener and Backup Radio are especially useful).
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Gives you a short-term police/crab backup. I haven't tried it but it sounds neat!
Backup Radio
Dec out.
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I'm apparently still there, because I thought, "Decorum? Get out my head!"|
Originally Posted by Decorum
OK, StormSurvivor, GET OUT OF MY HEAD!
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Now I'm just scared.
If the OP wants this added, shouldn't this be in the Suggestions Forums.
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StormSurvivor should seen on the map where it says "Here be monsters": I'm apparently still there, because I thought, "Decorum? Get out my head!" Now I'm just scared. |
Dec out.
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But I already printed all these party invites...
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Originally Posted by Decorum
Yeah, you really don't want to be in here. Trust me.
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What about a different solution?! Have the Flashback TF's possible to add new team members after the TF's started. The same script as runs in MA/AE.
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Originally Posted by Liz Bathory
What about a different solution?! Have the Flashback TF's possible to add new team members after the TF's started. The same script as runs in MA/AE.
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I'd love this, but I don't know if they'd go for it due to Ouro sometimes giving out merit awards. Though what had occurred to me in the past is that it would be great if we never "outgrew" contacts, and if we accepted a mission from them but were "too high" for it, we'd be exemped to the proper level range using the same mechanics the AE does but only when playing that mission. (Right now we are exemped to the level of the person who owns the mission, not the mission itself--this would exemp everyone to the level of the mish and then increase the enemy difficulty from that base). That would be a dream solution, really.
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Excellent !
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Originally Posted by Decorum
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Did the ol' LOL at this. It all depends on what Epic is modifying. Nicely played.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I thought maybe they meant they wanted an epic warning about how dangerous the mission could be - like just before you enter, Rularuu comes running out of the mission door screaming "Don't go in there! Don't go in there!"
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Warnings of Elite Bosses in the mission is a good idea
/signed
I'm on board with any suggestion that assists players in making informed decisions or that help them to avoid pointless time sinks.
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Originally Posted by DMystic
I think only 1 poster here actually disagreed with the idea. the others(myself included) have asked for some specifics about the EB and offered some general suggestions for completing the mission in question.
I also think most of us here would offer several in depth strategies for the fight if we knew more about the situation. |
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I soooo love that when uber-know-it-all players come and unsign something.
Not because it's bad for the game or because it would hurt them, just because they want others to play the same way they do - controllers and defender HAVE to team, kinetics MUST have speed boost, tanks or brutes MUST taunt, people should min/max using IO's...the list goes on.
It's just a quality of life request, for Pete's sake ! and it would align Orobouros content with the rest of the game.