Can We Please Get an Epic Boss/AV Warning on Ouroborus Missions?


Adeon Hawkwood

 

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Your request for this information is not unreasonable (the devs obviously think it's worthwhile because they put it in the AE arc summaries), but in the grand scheme of things, it will likely fall to the very bottom of the priority list and never be implemented.

To do this, the devs would either have to manually change the descriptions of all the affected Ouro arcs to include the warnings (a lot of error prone work), or write code that scans the missions to see what sorts of things appear in the mission the way AE does when it give you a summary of the arc.

Additionally, Elite Bosses and AVs are fairly common. I don't know the percentage, but an awful lot of arcs have them. Usually at the end, but sometimes in the middle. Given that, you pretty much have to assume one is going to appear in an arc. And given the conceit of Ouroboros -- that you're going back in time to do something over again -- you should already know whether there's an EB/AV because you've done the mission already .

To be honest, there are a lot of other things about Ouro arcs that I would rather know than whether an elite boss or AV is in the arc. Like the number of missions, the types of missions (hunts/rescues/glowies, as indicated in AE summaries), the number of reward merits it gives, etc.

Just as it's not unreasonable for you to ask for this feature, it's not unreasonable for people to ask you for the name of the arc and the villain involved. It's important because there are tools to make taking down an EB easier (usually inspirations and setting the mission to -1/x1/No bosses/No AVs difficulty is all you need).

But people would like to know the details so they can evaluate the encounter themselves. It makes a difference because if this EB is actually defined as an EB, then setting the difficulty to No Bosses/No AVs will turn that EB into a boss that you can probably solo.

So, come on. Be a sport and tell us which arc and villain it was.


 

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What is your obsession with getting details on the encounter? I didn't ask you for a strategy guide on how to beat an elite boss. I normally try to be a bit more reserved but your post is completely off topic. If you want to come up with strategies for beating elite bosses please go do it somewhere else. I'm just concentrated on which mission arcs they show up in not getting into a fight with you about whether I personally suck at fighting them. Meanwhile if you want to go fight elite bosses with lvl 25 Mind/Ice/Earth Controllers knock yourself out.
What is your obsession with refusing to provide the relevant details? Since you came here complaining about how much of a hard time you have defeating a particular elite boss, receiving strategies for defeating him (and EB's in general) is not only on-topic, they are to be expected. And I am not the only one in this thread to offer them. Nor am I the only one (or even the first) to request more details. I really don't know why you choose to single me out for hostility.




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You insist that you want to be able to solo everything, but the single most powerful tool in the game for doing just that is something you scoff at.
I have no idea what you are talking about and it's apparent neither do you. I'm sorry for being so feisty but did you even read the title of this thread, my original post, or any follow up leading up to this statement? Again not interested in a personal conflict with you since we are all just players in a video game, but since you're going out of your way to start an argument over something that I never requested I'm going to meet you eye to eye. Please read the title of the thread before you make further accusations about what was requested.
Actually, I understood it quite well. You came to the boards fresh from a frustrating encounter with an elite boss you didn't expect, and started venting that frustration. You also made several very broad blanket statements that are simply not true, like:

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You're completely screwed by a brick wall of difficulty. The fight isn't just frustrating, it's designed to be impossible (for you)
This statement can be interpreted as saying that the devs specifically designing that particular EB to be impossible for a mind 'troller to solo. I didn't jump on that and pull it out, because clearly it was just your frustration talking and doG knows I've been there myself. This is, however, exactly what you said, and therefore you shouldn't be surprised (or offended) at people chiming in and saying, “That's not actually true, 'trollers can defeat EB's if you change your strategy. Here's what I would try...”

Again, I was not the only one to offer those suggestions.




You also claim to have no interest in personal conflict with me, and yet you posted this:

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There was this guy named Jack once who said the same thing.

I wonder whatever happened to him?
From my side of the keyboard, that was intended to be insulting and dismissive of my first response to your post. I offered that post in an attempt to be helpful for your future encounters with unexpected EB's. I could have said “lrn 2 play” or “cry moar” or any number of other rude responses, but I did not. I understand that snarkiness is the norm here, but seriously now... comparing me to Jack? Low blow, sir.




Now having said my piece, I'm going to offer an olive branch here:

I actually have no real problem with your desire for EB warnings in Ourobrous arcs. I agree that this should be the case so that those running concept toons or toons without a lot of burst damage will have fair warning.

Also, I agree that my statement, “You insist that you want to be able to solo everything,” was a miss-characterization of your central point. It was not intended to offend you or insult you. If it did, then I apologize.

Finally, Tex, I've never had a problem with you on these boards before, and really do not want to now. I like to think that I can give as good as I get, but honestly flame wars just bum me out. I think that our conflict is simply the result of a minor failure to communicate coupled with a lack of the non-verbal cues that humans normally use (as these things usually are). We do have a fundamental difference of opinion wrapped up in this, but it's a small thing, as you said, and no reason to be nasty to each other. Let's just both agree to back away from where this is obviously going, k?

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Originally Posted by Zubenelgenubi View Post
...but seriously now... comparing me to Jack? Low blow, sir.

Ok that made me LOL. I didn't think of it as an insult.

I'm still not going to go into detail about the specific situation where I most recently got killed, because that was not the intent of this thread. This is not the first time I've gotten into an Ouro arc only to run into an elite boss I couldn't/didn't want to handle. The reason I'm not going to go into detail here is that the minute I do this thread is going to turn into a "ohhh well just suck that mission is so easy etc etc" bashing session. It already veered pretty heavily in that direction based on the one or two sentences of information I've provided.

When I stated that elite bosses are "designed to be impossible" for some characters I thought this was literally true. It has always been my assumption such enemies were actually designed with the intent of requiring a team, and the fact that we can solo them anyway was more a game balance issue than the result of deliberate design strategy. From the sound of things that's not actually the case, although that doesn't increase my desire to deal with them on the type of characters I tend to play. Acquiring powers normally reserved for the hardest task forces in the game to get through a surprise encounters in a mission arc is not something I'm interested in doing. In any case, from I can gather from reading about it it appears a Shivan wouldn't have been an option anyway, because it requires a mission and when on Ouro arcs you can't take them. I would have had to known ahead of time and brought the power along.

That said, like you, I'm not interested in continuing to argue. I can see how we misunderstood each other. Hand accepted.


 

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/signed on warnings for them.


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Is this a suggestion or a general discussion????


 

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Originally Posted by Dr_HR View Post
Is this a suggestion or a general discussion????
First one, then the other.


 

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I'm all for adding warnings for those missions. Unfortunately, a lot of us made these same complaints when Ouroboros first came out, and the best we could get from the devs was a warning for one of those TFs. For some unexplained reason they're opposed to posting AV/EB warning signs for Ouroboros TFs.

But time and staffing change. Perhaps new complaints can get them to change their minds.


 

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Originally Posted by StormSurvivor View Post
First one, then the other.
I see then i shall add tot he suggestion that this be place in the right place..in the suggestion section..

GD- i like it as it is..but it would be better if we could just add other members if needed. but then im not sure how to work the reward at the end.


 

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Originally Posted by Zubenelgenubi View Post
I notice that you still haven't told us all the details of the 'troller you are playing (secondary? power selections?), or the name of the Elite Boss. Could it be that if you do so, someone with a 'troller of that type will go and run the mission and show that it isn't nearly as... So until you give up more details, I'm calling Shenanigan.
I was really hoping you were going to suggest he was playing a forum troller... oh well.

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Originally Posted by Rodion View Post
And given the conceit of Ouroboros -- that you're going back in time to do something over again -- you should already know whether there's an EB/AV because you've done the mission already .
I would argue that a large part of the meta "conceit" of Ouro is that a single character can't possibly do all the arcs before out leveling a few of them, so you can go back and do the ones that you've missed.


 

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Originally Posted by Spinomania View Post
I soooo love that when uber-know-it-all players come and unsign something.

Not because it's bad for the game or because it would hurt them, just because they want others to play the same way they do - controllers and defender HAVE to team, kinetics MUST have speed boost, tanks or brutes MUST taunt, people should min/max using IO's...the list goes on.

It's just a quality of life request, for Pete's sake ! and it would align Orobouros content with the rest of the game.
Learn to read. Most of us think it's a fine idea - *BUT* the suggestion does nothing to help the OP RIGHT NOW.

Read it like this:
"I couldn't solo this EB. We need a warning about EB's."
"Good idea and maybe we'll get such a warning in 6 months. IN THE MEANTIME, here's how you can solo the EB......"


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Originally Posted by Dr_HR View Post
I see then i shall add tot he suggestion that this be place in the right place..in the suggestion section..
Then report the original post and request it be moved. No one posting in here has the power to do it themselves.


 

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Then report the original post and request it be moved. No one posting in here has the power to do it themselves.
I didnt mean tht it gets moved now its here and had many posts in it. it was more a future suggestion for the OP'er to post things in the right section was all


 

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Highbeam wrote a great guide to Flashback badging that can serve as an info source about what you might encounter. Check the entire thread since some of the original info has changed.

I agree that Ouro missions should warn players about EB / AV involvement.


 

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Originally Posted by UnSub View Post
Highbeam wrote a great guide to Flashback badging that can serve as an info source about what you might encounter. Check the entire thread since some of the original info has changed.
That's a great guide. Thanks for the link.