Can We Please Get an Epic Boss/AV Warning on Ouroborus Missions?
What is your obsession with getting details on the encounter? I didn't ask you for a strategy guide on how to beat an elite boss. I normally try to be a bit more reserved but your post is completely off topic. If you want to come up with strategies for beating elite bosses please go do it somewhere else. I'm just concentrated on which mission arcs they show up in not getting into a fight with you about whether I personally suck at fighting them. Meanwhile if you want to go fight elite bosses with lvl 25 Mind/Ice/Earth Controllers knock yourself out. |
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You're completely screwed by a brick wall of difficulty. The fight isn't just frustrating, it's designed to be impossible (for you) |
Again, I was not the only one to offer those suggestions.
You also claim to have no interest in personal conflict with me, and yet you posted this:
There was this guy named Jack once who said the same thing. I wonder whatever happened to him? |
Now having said my piece, I'm going to offer an olive branch here:
I actually have no real problem with your desire for EB warnings in Ourobrous arcs. I agree that this should be the case so that those running concept toons or toons without a lot of burst damage will have fair warning.
Also, I agree that my statement, “You insist that you want to be able to solo everything,” was a miss-characterization of your central point. It was not intended to offend you or insult you. If it did, then I apologize.
Finally, Tex, I've never had a problem with you on these boards before, and really do not want to now. I like to think that I can give as good as I get, but honestly flame wars just bum me out. I think that our conflict is simply the result of a minor failure to communicate coupled with a lack of the non-verbal cues that humans normally use (as these things usually are). We do have a fundamental difference of opinion wrapped up in this, but it's a small thing, as you said, and no reason to be nasty to each other. Let's just both agree to back away from where this is obviously going, k?
*offers hand*
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...but seriously now... comparing me to Jack? Low blow, sir.
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Ok that made me LOL. I didn't think of it as an insult.
I'm still not going to go into detail about the specific situation where I most recently got killed, because that was not the intent of this thread. This is not the first time I've gotten into an Ouro arc only to run into an elite boss I couldn't/didn't want to handle. The reason I'm not going to go into detail here is that the minute I do this thread is going to turn into a "ohhh well just suck that mission is so easy etc etc" bashing session. It already veered pretty heavily in that direction based on the one or two sentences of information I've provided.
When I stated that elite bosses are "designed to be impossible" for some characters I thought this was literally true. It has always been my assumption such enemies were actually designed with the intent of requiring a team, and the fact that we can solo them anyway was more a game balance issue than the result of deliberate design strategy. From the sound of things that's not actually the case, although that doesn't increase my desire to deal with them on the type of characters I tend to play. Acquiring powers normally reserved for the hardest task forces in the game to get through a surprise encounters in a mission arc is not something I'm interested in doing. In any case, from I can gather from reading about it it appears a Shivan wouldn't have been an option anyway, because it requires a mission and when on Ouro arcs you can't take them. I would have had to known ahead of time and brought the power along.
That said, like you, I'm not interested in continuing to argue. I can see how we misunderstood each other. Hand accepted.
/signed on warnings for them.
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Is this a suggestion or a general discussion????
I'm all for adding warnings for those missions. Unfortunately, a lot of us made these same complaints when Ouroboros first came out, and the best we could get from the devs was a warning for one of those TFs. For some unexplained reason they're opposed to posting AV/EB warning signs for Ouroboros TFs.
But time and staffing change. Perhaps new complaints can get them to change their minds.
GD- i like it as it is..but it would be better if we could just add other members if needed. but then im not sure how to work the reward at the end.
I notice that you still haven't told us all the details of the 'troller you are playing (secondary? power selections?), or the name of the Elite Boss. Could it be that if you do so, someone with a 'troller of that type will go and run the mission and show that it isn't nearly as... So until you give up more details, I'm calling Shenanigan.
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I would argue that a large part of the meta "conceit" of Ouro is that a single character can't possibly do all the arcs before out leveling a few of them, so you can go back and do the ones that you've missed.
I soooo love that when uber-know-it-all players come and unsign something.
Not because it's bad for the game or because it would hurt them, just because they want others to play the same way they do - controllers and defender HAVE to team, kinetics MUST have speed boost, tanks or brutes MUST taunt, people should min/max using IO's...the list goes on. It's just a quality of life request, for Pete's sake ! and it would align Orobouros content with the rest of the game. |
Read it like this:
"I couldn't solo this EB. We need a warning about EB's."
"Good idea and maybe we'll get such a warning in 6 months. IN THE MEANTIME, here's how you can solo the EB......"
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Highbeam wrote a great guide to Flashback badging that can serve as an info source about what you might encounter. Check the entire thread since some of the original info has changed.
I agree that Ouro missions should warn players about EB / AV involvement.
Highbeam wrote a great guide to Flashback badging that can serve as an info source about what you might encounter. Check the entire thread since some of the original info has changed.
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Your request for this information is not unreasonable (the devs obviously think it's worthwhile because they put it in the AE arc summaries), but in the grand scheme of things, it will likely fall to the very bottom of the priority list and never be implemented.
To do this, the devs would either have to manually change the descriptions of all the affected Ouro arcs to include the warnings (a lot of error prone work), or write code that scans the missions to see what sorts of things appear in the mission the way AE does when it give you a summary of the arc.
Additionally, Elite Bosses and AVs are fairly common. I don't know the percentage, but an awful lot of arcs have them. Usually at the end, but sometimes in the middle. Given that, you pretty much have to assume one is going to appear in an arc. And given the conceit of Ouroboros -- that you're going back in time to do something over again -- you should already know whether there's an EB/AV because you've done the mission already .
To be honest, there are a lot of other things about Ouro arcs that I would rather know than whether an elite boss or AV is in the arc. Like the number of missions, the types of missions (hunts/rescues/glowies, as indicated in AE summaries), the number of reward merits it gives, etc.
Just as it's not unreasonable for you to ask for this feature, it's not unreasonable for people to ask you for the name of the arc and the villain involved. It's important because there are tools to make taking down an EB easier (usually inspirations and setting the mission to -1/x1/No bosses/No AVs difficulty is all you need).
But people would like to know the details so they can evaluate the encounter themselves. It makes a difference because if this EB is actually defined as an EB, then setting the difficulty to No Bosses/No AVs will turn that EB into a boss that you can probably solo.
So, come on. Be a sport and tell us which arc and villain it was.