Can We Please Get an Epic Boss/AV Warning on Ouroborus Missions?


Adeon Hawkwood

 

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So I have to tell you why I kind of get frustrated with Ouroborus. It goes something like this:

You are a lowly Controller or Defender making your way through a series of Ouro missions. It's slow going but you weren't built for speed or high kill rate anyway.

You're thirty minutes or an hour in and things seem to be going well. Then, it happens. Out of nowhere an epic boss shows up, and its the end of the road. You're completely screwed by a brick wall of difficulty. The fight isn't just frustrating, it's designed to be impossible (for you). You can't invite any new teammates. You can't really do *anything* except abandon the arc, and next time wise up to the fact that you have to research any missions online before accepting them, because the mission arc is, frankly, unwinnable, but it won't reveal this to you until the very end.

As I'm writing this I've just been killed in a mission where my Mind troller, who incidentally is actually lvl 50 and very well IO'd but by no means capable of soloing an epic boss, was forced to deal with an *ambush* from an epic boss who is immune to hold, sleep, confusion, fear, and knockdown, who fires energy blasts and has a spin kick power that takes away half my lifebar in one move and also stuns me. Now I'm not saying such missions shouldn't exist. I just want fair warning like we get in the AE so I don't waste my time even attempting something like this. It would be one thing if it were a normal mission where I could recruit a team, but now I'm just stuck, and a bit annoyed.

Thanks for your time.


 

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Which elite boss was it?


 

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I'm just curious but which powersets are you running? Which Elite Boss was it? What are your difficulty settings? Did you consider using Inspirations or Temp powers?

Because from my understanding Elite Bosses for the most part are soloable.

EDIT: forgot to chime in on the idea,

I have no problems with Ouro Arcs containing a warning about Elite Bosses.


 

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Originally Posted by _Klaw_ View Post
/Unsigned. Team oriented toons should team. If you want to solo evey story arc build a solo toon.
This statement flies directly in the face of one of COH's core design philosophies: That every toon should be able to solo.


 

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Akarist is very hard to solo with my emp/psi defender just because his resistances are so high and her damage output is so low. Nosferatu is a very hard elite boss to solo for almost every AT. There are a couple of others that are very hard to solo for specific archetypes as well, but for the most part with the use of inspirations, just about any AT should be able to solo the generic elite boss.


 

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Originally Posted by _Klaw_ View Post
/Unsigned. Team oriented toons should team. If you want to solo evey story arc build a solo toon.
All team oriented characters are perfectly capable of soloing if they want to and some people enjoy playing them solo (for example I have a Traps/AR I love soloing with). However depending on the powerset combos not all can handle EBs equally well.

Personally I tend to check the wiki before doing a flashback so I know what I'll encounter but a warning would not be out of placed.


 

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Originally Posted by _Klaw_ View Post
/Unsigned. Team oriented toons should team. If you want to solo evey story arc build a solo toon.
You've missed the point.

He doesn't want to solo every story arc, just a warning in place to inform soloist of something that they might not be able to complete so that it can at least be avoided. I'll leave discussing the merits of controllers as solo toons to someone else.


 

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So after the ambush, load up on inspirations and take him down. If you never lost a fight, it wouldn't be much of a game. And trollers have a lot of tricks. Adjust your strategy and try again.


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I'm on board for such warnings. Not everyone wants to have the wiki open and research the arc they are about to do, sort of takes a lot of the fun out of discovering the story.

That said, if you encounter that issue in the future you can log out, change the difficulty setting and then reenter the mission and it will reflect the new difficulty settings. Obviously you have to redo that particular mission, but you don't have to abandon the arc or start the whole thing over. Once you complete that difficult encounter you can set the difficulty again prior to entering the next mission and it will again change.


 

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I ran into a similar issue on my Fire/Storm Controller recently on one of these. She's a monster at her natural 43, but stuck in the mid-20s she didn't have much damage. No problem most of the time, but then I hit that mission that requires the destruction of that meteor in Atlas. The meteor has very nice hp regen, not AV level but it was way over standard-enemy level, and my Hot Feet wasn't hitting it AT ALL. I was throwing mostly vet powers at it, as the only other source of damage I had was Char, i.e. not much. The friend you get in that mission was bugged, I assumed, as he did nothing but stand there unconcerned. Essentially, I couldn't outrun its Regen. Thankfully I had the Warwolf Whistle, and he finally managed to Hurl it to death (as even he couldn't manage to get into melee).

I bugged the behavior of what's-his-name, I'm pretty sure he's supposed to help you out. But yeah, kinda stuck there.


 

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Originally Posted by _Klaw_ View Post
/Unsigned. Team oriented toons should team. If you want to solo evey story arc build a solo toon.
Great. So tell me which missions I need to have a team for and I'm all for it. What's frustrating is to be able to solo all the way up to a certain point and then have it all for naught when you run into an elite boss. I just want a warning ahead of time so I don't get stuck having to drop out of the whole arc because it's too hard. Bring on the team--but tell me about it.


 

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Originally Posted by Primal View Post
I ran into a similar issue on my Fire/Storm Controller recently on one of these. She's a monster at her natural 43, but stuck in the mid-20s she didn't have much damage. No problem most of the time, but then I hit that mission that requires the destruction of that meteor in Atlas. The meteor has very nice hp regen, not AV level but it was way over standard-enemy level, and my Hot Feet wasn't hitting it AT ALL. I was throwing mostly vet powers at it, as the only other source of damage I had was Char, i.e. not much. The friend you get in that mission was bugged, I assumed, as he did nothing but stand there unconcerned. Essentially, I couldn't outrun its Regen. Thankfully I had the Warwolf Whistle, and he finally managed to Hurl it to death (as even he couldn't manage to get into melee).

I bugged the behavior of what's-his-name, I'm pretty sure he's supposed to help you out. But yeah, kinda stuck there.
I found that too recently on my Stone/Stone Tanker. It took a while to bring that meteor down, and the Clockwork Gears I summoned with the power from Penelope Yin's arc, they weren't attacking the meteor either. Mender Lazarus didn't even want to follow me, he just stood their like a lemon.

Signed on a warning for the presence of elite bosses.


 

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Originally Posted by _Klaw_ View Post
/Unsigned. Team oriented toons should team. If you want to solo evey story arc build a solo toon.
I could point out how incorrect or flawed this statement is, but I'm feeling lazy today, so I'll just say, "Your face is /unsigned."

That's all I got.


 

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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex View Post
You're completely screwed by a brick wall of difficulty. The fight isn't just frustrating, it's designed to be impossible (for you). You can't invite any new teammates. You can't really do *anything* except abandon the arc,
Firstly, no enemy is designed to be impossible for anyone. Some are just harder than others. And you CAN do something. Get some inspirations and a Shivan shard. That will let you solo ANY EB.


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Originally Posted by Sister_Twelve View Post
Nosferatu is a very hard elite boss to solo for almost every AT.
Hard, yes. Impossible, no. I soloed Nosferatu on my empathy defender with a 'bargain basement' IO build (built for +recovery, cost under 25 million infl).


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Originally Posted by Zubenelgenubi View Post
So after the ambush, load up on inspirations and take him down. If you never lost a fight, it wouldn't be much of a game. And trollers have a lot of tricks. Adjust your strategy and try again.
And that pretty much sums it up.


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I'm on board for such warnings. Not everyone wants to have the wiki open and research the arc they are about to do, sort of takes a lot of the fun out of discovering the story.

That said, if you encounter that issue in the future you can log out, change the difficulty setting and then reenter the mission and it will reflect the new difficulty settings. Obviously you have to redo that particular mission, but you don't have to abandon the arc or start the whole thing over. Once you complete that difficult encounter you can set the difficulty again prior to entering the next mission and it will again change.


 

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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex View Post
You are a lowly...Defender making your way through a series of Ouro missions. It's slow going but you weren't built for speed or high kill rate anyway.
My Defender and I take offense to this.


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So after the ambush, load up on inspirations and take him down. If you never lost a fight, it wouldn't be much of a game. And trollers have a lot of tricks. Adjust your strategy and try again.
There was this guy named Jack once who said the same thing.

I wonder whatever happened to him?

P.S. I had already tried running out of the mission thing. He stayed in ambush mode. Unlike a typical epic boss he could not be slept. He may have had some kind of tank armor because no controls did anything. He chased me shooting Power Bolts that kept me on my back. I have exactly zero desire to try to solo through that. In a normal mission I'd say screw it and abandon. Luckily this was only three missions into an arc. Had I known the mission difficulty was going to ramp from leisurely to Jedi trial I wouldn't have attempted it. Some people may find that fun but those people also spend a lot more time *preparing* for such an encounter. Please see above for the suggestion that I just "bring a Shivan."

Anyway I'm much less concerned about the specifics of this particular fight than with the fact that epic bosses are frustrating and I have no way to recruit additional team members once I've encountered them. If I knew ahead of time I'd be happy to form a team.


 

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Originally Posted by Frosticus View Post
I'm on board for such warnings. Not everyone wants to have the wiki open and research the arc they are about to do, sort of takes a lot of the fun out of discovering the story.

That said, if you encounter that issue in the future you can log out, change the difficulty setting and then reenter the mission and it will reflect the new difficulty settings. Obviously you have to redo that particular mission, but you don't have to abandon the arc or start the whole thing over. Once you complete that difficult encounter you can set the difficulty again prior to entering the next mission and it will again change.
So.... I was basically just going to post this, but then I saw it was already posted... So I quoted it instead. Although I would have said to change the diff settings, *then* log out. Either way works, right?

I love your name, Oedipus Tex!


 

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I'm on board for such warnings. Not everyone wants to have the wiki open and research the arc they are about to do, sort of takes a lot of the fun out of discovering the story.

That said, if you encounter that issue in the future you can log out, change the difficulty setting and then reenter the mission and it will reflect the new difficulty settings. Obviously you have to redo that particular mission, but you don't have to abandon the arc or start the whole thing over. Once you complete that difficult encounter you can set the difficulty again prior to entering the next mission and it will again change.


 

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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex View Post
There was this guy named Jack once who said the same thing.

I wonder whatever happened to him?
I'm pretty sure there's a formal name for this sort of logical fallacy, but I can't locate it at the moment. Your reasoning goes like this:

Person A is unpopular.
You said something that Person A would agree with.
Therefore you are wrong.


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P.S. I had already tried running out of the mission thing. He stayed in ambush mode. Unlike a typical epic boss he could not be slept. He may have had some kind of tank armor because no controls did anything. He chased me shooting Power Bolts that kept me on my back. I have exactly zero desire to try to solo through that. In a normal mission I'd say screw it and abandon. Luckily this was only three missions into an arc. Had I known the mission difficulty was going to ramp from leisurely to Jedi trial I wouldn't have attempted it. Some people may find that fun but those people also spend a lot more time *preparing* for such an encounter. Please see above for the suggestion that I just "bring a Shivan."
I notice that you still haven't told us all the details of the 'troller you are playing (secondary? power selections?), or the name of the Elite Boss. Could it be that if you do so, someone with a 'troller of that type will go and run the mission and show that it isn't nearly as hard as you say it is? Just guessing here. (Nor have you told us your difficulty settings.)

So until you give up more details, I'm calling Shenanigan.

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Anyway I'm much less concerned about the specifics of this particular fight than with the fact that epic bosses are frustrating and I have no way to recruit additional team members once I've encountered them. If I knew ahead of time I'd be happy to form a team.
And several good suggestions have been made as to how you can try handling epic bosses to make them less frustrating. I can think of a couple of other obvious ones that have not been suggested yet, but you just dismissed the ones already offered out of hand.

Getting a whole set of shivans is the work of half an hour tops. One full set of them will help on several encounters. You insist that you want to be able to solo everything, but the single most powerful tool in the game for doing just that is something you scoff at.

Adjust your strategy and try again (and this time I'm not talking about any in-game encounters).


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Originally Posted by SpittingTrashcan View Post
A brief aside: the term is "Elite Boss".
I thought maybe they meant they wanted an epic warning about how dangerous the mission could be - like just before you enter, Rularuu comes running out of the mission door screaming "Don't go in there! Don't go in there!"


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Sorry for the TRIPLE post lol. that's a first. The router was behaving strangely.

And yes you can change the difficulty before or after logging in/out as long as it is set before you start a fresh map it should take.


 

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Look up the contact then the mission ( here )


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