Farm Builds.
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Posted on: 2010-05-26 17:43 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
I usually use one of the following on blue:
Fire/Kin trollah
Plant/Storm trollah
Fire/Shield scrap
Shield/SS tank
and on red I either use my Elec/Shield br00t, or Fire/Psy dom.
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Brute, tank, or scrap with Super strength, elec melee, or fire. Secondary being fire, shield, or wp.
I "farm" with my sonic/storm corr and fort all the time though. My suggestion is pick a toon that is hardy enough to survive so its not frusterating, but that you are willing to play for the hours of farming you want to do. Im still efficient with my toons so whatever.
Remembering that you dont rock IO's, go with willpower, a MM, or a /kin.
Wait, why are you farming if you dont rock IO's?
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I seem to recall people farming before there where IOs...so I dont see how thats a valid question.
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Originally Posted by RabidBrian
Brute, tank, or scrap with Super strength, elec melee, or fire. Secondary being fire, shield, or wp.
I "farm" with my sonic/storm corr and fort all the time though. My suggestion is pick a toon that is hardy enough to survive so its not frusterating, but that you are willing to play for the hours of farming you want to do. Im still efficient with my toons so whatever. Remembering that you dont rock IO's, go with willpower, a MM, or a /kin. Wait, why are you farming if you dont rock IO's? |
Before there was an AH, people use to farm for plain ol' inf. Back then, you either had a high-level toon support your low-level toons, or you bought inf on ebay, or you were poor. Self-sufficiency from level 1-50 just wasn't an option.
These are some of the classic farming builds, which are still pretty effective in present day
SS/Fire Brute
Fire/SS Tanker
Spines/Dark Scrapper
Fire/Psi Dom
As for the 'modern' farming builds:
Elec/Shield or Fire/Shield Brute or Scrapper
SS/Shield Brute
Shield/Fire, Shield/Elec or Shield/SS Tanker
(See the pattern?)
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This is what I miss....Its not like you can jump in AE and get everything easier and faster, and no one held 500 Million Influ CCs 5 times a day for giggles.|
Originally Posted by ForumSniper
Before there was an AH, people use to farm for plain ol' inf. Back then, you either had a high-level toon support your low-level toons, or you bought inf on ebay, or you were poor. Self-sufficiency from level 1-50 just wasn't an option.
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Now days players get spoiled and think IO are the answer all the time.They are for PvP it seems, but not for Farming.If you need IOs for something to Farm, then maybe its not ment to farm.
Ill be farming with a Fire/EM Blaster, and a Spines/Invln Scrapper.Neither will be IO'd.
Grats. And we care because?
Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
I enjoy playing in Mids. I specialize in Melee Characters, other AT's usually bore me.
This thread had lots of examples and numbers.
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Fire_Minded, you can farm perfectly fine on SOs.|
Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
This is what I miss....Its not like you can jump in AE and get everything easier and faster, and no one held 500 Million Influ CCs 5 times a day for giggles.
Now days players get spoiled and think IO are the answer all the time.They are for PvP it seems, but not for Farming.If you need IOs for something to Farm, then maybe its not ment to farm. Ill be farming with a Fire/EM Blaster, and a Spines/Invln Scrapper.Neither will be IO'd. |
People either aim for IOs or build with IOs on farm characters because as with almost any character, IOs make them more effective.
For example, a Fire/Kin Controller can farm perfectly well on SOs, but an IOd one could farm more and faster.
Depending on what settings you want to farm at, the Spines/Invuln will farm well. The Fire/Em you might find a little squishy, until you can finetune the level/pace at which you can obliterate spawns without getting smooshed.
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Thats exactly how I view IOs - they allow you to do things that you aren't meant to do within the classic (and somewhat rigid) archetype system. I see this as a good thing.|
Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Now days players get spoiled and think IO are the answer all the time.They are for PvP it seems, but not for Farming.If you need IOs for something to Farm, then maybe its not ment to farm.
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IOs mean you have more choices, and ignoring them is one of those valid choices.
Its kind of like owning a vintage car and souping it up a bit. It'll never compete with a modern car in terms of raw performance, but its kind of cool to tinker around with.
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Originally Posted by macskull
SS/Fire/Soul or go home.
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Ok maybe we have different views on what farming is, but Im not doing the same exact mission over and over unless Im running it on at LEAST +0/x6 without dieing. More realistically, x8. Good luck doing that with your SO'd blaster...|
Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
This is what I miss....Its not like you can jump in AE and get everything easier and faster, and no one held 500 Million Influ CCs 5 times a day for giggles.
Now days players get spoiled and think IO are the answer all the time.They are for PvP it seems, but not for Farming.If you need IOs for something to Farm, then maybe its not ment to farm. Ill be farming with a Fire/EM Blaster, and a Spines/Invln Scrapper.Neither will be IO'd. |
Have you ever noticed normal IO's give larger percentage boosts than SO's post lvl 30?
What are you farming for anyways? Why do you need to farm for infamy if you only rock SO's?
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Maybe because we don't have the inf to work with IOs, or we want more for certain specialized builds we are planning? I have plans (sort of) to perma-dom a Fire/fire dom, and I certainly don't have the infamy to do this, so I'd be farming with a MM who is mostly running SOs...And is this somehow wrong?
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Originally Posted by RabidBrian
What are you farming for anyways? Why do you need to farm for infamy if you only rock SO's?
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Absolutely not. I wasnt asking that to the general public, I was asking fire_minded why HE is farming. He is pretty outspoken about not useing IO's, and if someone isnt going to use IO's, I would expect them not to use Hami-O's, and if you aint going for those, where is the large amounts of inf going to? Whats it for? Im curious because I dont come across expensive stuff in this game outside of IO's.
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Because iv had to break down and start farming to buy PvP IOs for a few toons is why.
Im a bit of a hypocrit in that respect, but for farming, I dont need the IOs.
I have a bit of a vandetta agenst IOd Stalkers and IOd Dom's killing me over and over the second I step away from the Hospital in all PvP zones, then telling me to learn how to pvp...how do I do that when in 2-4 shots and im dead before I can react?
So realistically, im doing it for PvP.
Im tired of being the Red Headed Step Child in that department.
PvE?Easy Suase!PvP!BLARG!
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You don't need PvP IOs to pvp. You will want IOs for pvp to get enough +hp that you're not everyone's favourite target, enough KB protection and procs for your attacks.|
Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Because iv had to break down and start farming to buy PvP IOs for a few toons is why.
Im a bit of a hypocrit in that respect, but for farming, I dont need the IOs. I have a bit of a vandetta agenst IOd Stalkers and IOd Dom's killing me over and over the second I step away from the Hospital in all PvP zones, then telling me to learn how to pvp...how do I do that when in 2-4 shots and im dead before I can react? So realistically, im doing it for PvP. Im tired of being the Red Headed Step Child in that department. PvE?Easy Suase!PvP!BLARG! |
The only pvp IOs I've seen to be commonly desireable in pvp builds are the procs so you can have several procs in your attacks.
Also while IOs will help, making a pvp build would help too, since pvp and pve builds are pretty dissimilar. Phase and Hibernate are of fairly limited use in pve, but they're a godsend in pvp.
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What good is Gloom for farming? My Brute uses Soul Mastery. If I wanted to farm with him I'd change to Mu so I could have two AoEs, instead of just one from Soul.
I'd assume for farming bosses since gloom is such good ST damage on a brute
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Originally Posted by Nights_Dawn
Hazy is right
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If you are fighting one boss at a time you aren't farming.
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Two AoEs yes, but one is a Cone which is counterproductive to a SS/FA, (because you want to be in the middle of the spawn stomping with BA ticking away), and one is mostly DoT. I forget what the exact split is, but iirc about half of BLs damage is DoT. Given how hard FS hits, it means a lot of the damage from BL is wasted on anything other than bosses.|
Originally Posted by Smurphy
What good is Gloom for farming? My Brute uses Soul Mastery. If I wanted to farm with him I'd change to Mu so I could have two AoEs, instead of just one from Soul.
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Dark Obliteration does less damage, but it does it all up front so you're getting its full benefit. BL doing more damage is moot when half of it never gets a chance to land.
Gloom is great for farming because aside from its fantastic damage and DPE/DPS, it being DoT is great for killing Fakes before they bubble. Fake just under half hp -> Gloom, KO Blow him into the air, then Gloom/Haymaker = dead Fake.
Since I respecced into Soul I have drastically fewer Fakes bubbling. And if they do, most of the time Gloom will still kill them due to the DoT.
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If you have trouble killing fakes before they bubble you are doing it wrong.
1) Save Knockout Blow for when they are 1/3 life, just before they bubble. Use it then.
2) AoE attacks are unaffected by Nemesis Vengeance. Wait for a Fake to land if it survives the KO blow, then use Foot Stomp, Electric Fences and Ball Lightning. Electric Fences only need to hit 3 targest to exceed the damage of Gloom and is only slightly under Gloom damage when hitting 2.
I've gone entire maps on the TV map without 1 Fake Nemesis bubbling.
Electric Fences + Ball Lightning are the two AoEs in Mu that you want on a Farmer. Neither Fences nor Ball Lightning are cones. If Gloom and Darkest Night are needed for your farming you are farming inefficiently. Efficiency is pretty much the entire concept of farming. Farming is trying to get as much stuff as you can in as little time as possible. Soul Mastery doesn't further that goal as much as Mu Mastery.
Ide take fences and BL over oblit on any toon I could fit them and support their end usage on. Fences isnt a cone, its a 10 yard aoe.
When talking about Mu lightning and gloom, I always go with concept because they are both good powers and look great.
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Personally, I prefer Soul on my SS/WP. I went with Mu for a while to see how well the two AoEs worked out, and while Ball Lightning was fine, Electrifying Fences' radius was too small to be much help. Anything that wasn't killed with Footstomp -> Ball Lightning was too spread out to be fully caught in EF's radius. YMMV, but I switched back to Soul recently and haven't missed EF.
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Originally Posted by Smurphy
What good is Gloom for farming? My Brute uses Soul Mastery. If I wanted to farm with him I'd change to Mu so I could have two AoEs, instead of just one from Soul.
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I know theres Fire/Kin Controllers, and what not...whats everyone else Farming with?