It'd probably be on Freedom. I mean, it sucks trying to slot new things at times, but everyone, now, for the most part, has something, if not plenty to use. Also, Test is sketchy anyway, and this is more convenient, but that's just my opinion.
Everything Vinnie and Vert said.
Someone needs to make a post sorta like the d6 draft for anyone that isn't on a team or cant find a team. Do that if someone wants to pick from the pool they can so that they can build a decent group.
We can get like people who are willing to lead and let them make a team from the pool of players.
If this happens me and Seksi will probably try do a team together.
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Someone needs to make a post sorta like the d6 draft for anyone that isn't on a team or cant find a team. Do that if someone wants to pick from the pool they can so that they can build a decent group.
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I would suggest test as a better option..and freedom to fall back on if test goes down like it did for 12 closed beta. It makes it so much easier for buids and ios and even with the free server transfer u probably have people with viable toons on other servers or if old players come back who did not get in on it.
Pug league!!
I'm also more inclined to suggest test, as this allows players who do not have money on live and find that to be one of the major factors behind them stepping up to pvp competitively to circumvent that problem entirely with help from their teams.
This also allows better build diversity, which can then lead to line-up diversity as well.
I agree that test can be inconvenient at times, but I do recall members of ladder teams being granted access to Test during beta periods in order to continue playing matches that were scheduled. I'm not saying that such a privilege would be granted to us now, but it's certainly a possibility to consider if we go about presenting this new ladder the right way.
Vex's suggestions about live and test are valid, but I feel the pros outweigh the cons.
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Personally I'd opt to say that all 3 matches should be played with "Random" as the selected map option (sorry dUmb)
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Actually, I don't care, though it does make Jump-loving teams play to dUmb's strength for at least a single round and cuts out the possibility of having to reset for 2 rounds by keeping the league rule there. Our open map storm team can work in most maps, so playing it all 3 rounds might actually end up working out in our favor anyway. And I say this like a dUmb ladder team is a given, but depending on what our players decide, it may just be me and a few others looking to get a few more in order to enter (so it may not even be an actual dUmb team).
I'd suggest starting the ladder on Test and saying Freedom is the fallback server for when Test inevitably goes down. This gives newer players the ability to start playing in the ladder right away with duped IOs to max out their toons, and it also gives them some time to decide if they're committed enough to want to max out their best PvP toons on Live and transfer them to Freedom.
Also, yeah, I'd say 8v8 with captains having the option of reducing, should both captains agree. I will say up front, though, that if I captain a team, I'm not agreeing to reduce numbers for another team. It's not that I want to be mean, but I see it like this: either I punish your team for not having people show up, or I punish my team (by making people sit) even though they did what they said they would do by showing up. I fully expect other teams to opt to make my team fight short-handed if it's the other way around, and I promise 0 complaints from our end.
And yes, a free agent thread is a great idea. Can we just verify that we'll have at least 4 teams to start? I will go ahead and say that there will be some sort of quasi-dUmb team.
A big thing we would lose with using test is that people wouldnt see us pvping. Right now there are a bunch of people that sign on not on any team just to watch our matches because they knew about it from AC or Forums or friends. Not saying some wont come and become interested but downloading test takes alot more work then just porting to PD. Right now 90% of of the blasters have their Good Job procs anyways. I think test would limit the interest instead which would out weight the evening of the playing field. And isnt test going closed beta really soon?
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A big thing we would lose with using test is that people wouldnt see us pvping. Right now there are a bunch of people that sign on not on any team just to watch our matches because they knew about it from AC or Forums or friends. Not saying some wont come and become interested but downloading test takes alot more work then just porting to PD. Right now 90% of of the blasters have their Good Job procs anyways. I think test would limit the interest instead which would out weight the evening of the playing field. And isnt test going closed beta really soon?
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GR is in closed beta now so i would think it is currently closed atm.
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Dex, that's a good point. It's a shame /ac isn't a global channel (that magically included Test too). Of course, we're only attracting Live players from Freedom if we do this there. Does that publicity outweigh Test's ability to even builds? I agree that attracting more players is the main concern, so I'm fine with whatever achieves that best. (And maybe 90% of league blasters have GJ procs, but people just thinking about getting into PvP?) I just read Philly's post about Test maybe being closed atm anyway, so this discussion may be pointless right now.
Test is down for GR CB. The earliest a new Test ladder could be started would be during OB. But with the Server loads you can expect for that, and the "shiny" new content, good luck.
As for a Freedom League, or a second season or whatever.
I am a member of a "team" that would be interested in a D8 league. We have a Captain and are willing to see it through. At the moment we have 4-6 people. 5 would be a safer bet. So we'd have room for current D6ers or again. Whatever.
1. I'm being vague about the team, since we haven't settled on the name yet and I don't want to speak out of turn even as the Team Forum Spokesperson.
2. Yes I have neg rep. No I'm not like Dahjee. Yes it was from RPers who didn't like my opinion.
Greeny
Awesome. Posts like these (about new teams) get me excited, and your bottom comments cracked me up.
So, atm, we could potentially be looking at:
U2BU2BG
POSMD
quasi-dUmb
Divine Clan
RAFTCIGAL
Greenynotdahjeesteamwillplay
Thank you kindly, I do aim to please.
And I will post an official name as soon as one has been settled upon. (:
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Thank you kindly, I do aim to please.
And I will post an official name as soon as one has been settled upon. (: Greeny |
The build that's on test right now is not GR. One of the two test servers is down, yes, but the one that's up is the same build that's on live. As there's no way to magically make a server appear offline or not depending on whether you have access to that server, I'd guess that the GR beta is on a separate server unrelated to test.
That being said I'm putting my vote in for test as well. If people want to see matches being played on test they'll find out either through the forums or through word of mouth on live (ac, global channels, whatever). It'd be great to get back to the point of running kickballs and such on test as well, but I think that's a long way off if it's not already an impossibility.
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I forgot they brought back the 2nd server, wonder if they will keep that open.
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We've asked before for them to keep the 2nd Test server open.
I've found that I'm much more content if I do the following when considering a logical thought regarding PvP: Think, "Can this somehow benefit the PvP community?" If the answer is "yes" then it's safe to say that it's not going to happen, will cease happening, or will be changed in a negative way.
The exception is community-controlled stuff, so you can't say that I'm entirely cynical.
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I've found that I'm much more content if I do the following when considering a logical thought regarding PvP: Think, "Can this somehow benefit the PvP community?" If the answer is "yes" then it's safe to say that it's not going to happen, will cease happening, or will be changed in a negative way.
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I'm not opposed to a Test Ladder, here are some issues:
i) The PvP Community doesn't have the 'free pass' it used to around Issues 9-11. Getting teams on test during Betas could prove problematic, especially if half the team gets in and the others don't.
ii)Unexpected Test downtime: Anyone remember when a top-level match was supposed to happen on a Thursday (iirc) and Test was taken down for "emergency maintenance"?
iii)General douchebaggery: This isn't really an issue as I don't think any of us take each other seriously, but it would take one sensitive Susan to get someone banned from test for a ladder match or something.
That's about it, outside the character transfer tool being wonky at times and the installation of test itself, which is time-consuming.
I'm all for whatever is best for the community as a whole. Having more teams = more fun and more drama and more stories....
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Well if it is on test, I will keep playing, so you can add that to one of the cons.
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I'm not opposed to a Test Ladder, here are some issues:
i) The PvP Community doesn't have the 'free pass' it used to around Issues 9-11. Getting teams on test during Betas could prove problematic, especially if half the team gets in and the others don't. ii)Unexpected Test downtime: Anyone remember when a top-level match was supposed to happen on a Thursday (iirc) and Test was taken down for "emergency maintenance"? |
That's why you use Freedom as a back up as Jimmay/Miss/Whoever is B_Witched suggested.
Test is great for:
1. No limit builds. This is especially good for any D6ers migrating over to a Ladder and being able to learn other roles. As such, players get to experience diversity.
2. Better performance. Freedom can be nightmarish with server lag.
3. All toons on all servers are in play. My main server is Triumph and most of my PvE friends are on Triumph. While I'm sure a PvP team would take the time to help level and accolade, it's often easier for me just to get on with people who are already running TFs or running AV missions.
I agree with Vinnie. I think the pros of Test outweigh the cons. And, you (and others) are 100% right on the cons. I just think the pros more than make up for it.
Just my 2 cents. But, I defer those with greater PvP/arena/Ladder knowledge, as always.
Also, do we run this on Freedom or test? My first instinct would say test because it means people don't have to worry about inf, but at the same time I'm not sure if the PvP population is large enough to support both live and test PvP at the same time.
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