Demons Shield

You are posting gigantic walls of text because people are pointing out that, indeed, having 6.66% resist to fire is just a cute little reference the developers tossed in. It doesn't affect gameplay, it doesn't utterly destroy your character concept, it doesn't do anything. It's just there for people to find, go "Heh." and continue on their murderous rampage through the Isles. Except you decided to get super-pedantic over this one detail, and apparently now think there's some kind of conspiracy to insult you.

Sounds like over-reacting to me.

Oh and FYI no one would argue about the 9.11% to-hit buff for a PPD except for you.

That seems to be the sum of it.... And what an assuming thread it has become.

Sounds like you're projecting your own values onto me and expecting that me not following them is the result of deviation from standard behaviour, thus an over-reaction. This assumption is false for the simple reason that this is pretty much standard-issue response to any situation, bit or small, as far as my modus operandi is concerned. If you think my posting "walls of text" is someone a result of me being over-excited, then you are simply mistaken. Posting this way is as common to me as waking up in the morning is to most other people.

Understandably, that's not what people would do, and I wouldn't fault them for it, but the "conspiracy to insult me" comes from the fact that others don't seem to want to extend the same courtesy in return. You assume a standard expected response and standard expected behaviour, and anyone who doesn't fit is worthy of ridicule and insult, or so your tone seems to suggest. On the one hand, I'm very much used to this, as it comes with the territory, but usually it comes in the form of being ignored or getting weird looks. It's exceedingly rare that someone would make it a point to keep coming back and tossing insults my way on the off chance one might stick.

Incidentally, have you noticed how people seem adamant about telling me I'm pedantic, as if determined to turn this into an insult when not only have I admitted to it, but have described myself as such already? Is that kind of hostility really justified because I refuse to not care? Really?

How much do you want to bet?

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Really? Would you care to quote where I said this? Not alluded to, not said something which could be interpreted as this on arbitrary reviews. Where did I outright say this? I'd appreciate a quote with a link to the source post, because I would be willing to bet money I have not said this.

OK, give me a minute to see if I follow this. OK, so by "data," you mean the 6.66% fire resistance in Ember Shield and by "unrelated functions" you mean... What, exactly? The Ember Shield has one function - to provide damage resistance, to which the fire damage resistance stat is very much related. Are you talking about the intent behind the stat? Are you saying I'm somehow assuming that the stat was intended to mean the number of the beast?

Because if you are, you must have missed me explaining just this point at least three times, if memory serves. As I said before, what bugs me about this stat is the possibility that it is intentional. If it's completely accidental, then I don't care either way. Random number coincidences are not noteworthy unless they point to a specific correlation, to which this doesn't, as far as I'm concerned. I guess you could say that 1 and a 1/3 times 5 being 6.66 is a noteworthy correlation, but that's only on the level of basic curiosity.

What bugs me is the notion that this is intentional, because it turns it from a coincidence into a joke. A joke I do not appreciate or enjoy. You may feel I should have no right to talk about it, but I believe the rules permit me to do this whether you like it or not. I don't intend to "get over it" for the simple fact that I don't want to. I'm not going to stop disliking it simply because I'm told to. Eventually I'll get tired of talking about it, as well. That depends on how long you intend to keep trying to "oh snap" me, but if you're determined to outlast me, then you probably will.

However, if my attitude bugs you so much that you feel the need to keep restating your point, sans obscenities (I'm not counting your edit), then perhaps you need to get over yourself and put me on ignore. Unless you specifically want to shut me up and prevent me from posting more on the matter (which I doubt, and which is actually futile), then wouldn't that be the smartest move?

Or are you honestly trying to answer my question? Really? Honestly? I'll believe it if you say it.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pedantic#Synonyms

They aren't exact copies but the negative connotations the majority of those words convey justify your critics' complaint. There isn't a real discussion to be had when the apparent major substance of your position is boiled down to the response: "Because, that's why. I just don't like it." (At least in their eyes; you're justified to your opinion all you want, I don't really care.) Notice that the medium of discussion is an Internet forum and it's no surprise you get people pouncing on it. If you really don't care, just don't acknowledge it.

Wow that was pretty interesting, who knew I'd ever learn anything on these boards not relating to coh

To be fair, at this point I'm just having fun with it. Believe it or not, this sort of thing IS fun for me. And not in a malicious way, not because I'm making people angry (if indeed I am), but just because the argument itself is interesting to me. I actually intend to argue it for as long as people care participate, not because I want to make a pain of myself (or rather, in spite of it), but because this is one of the higher forms of entertainment I find on these forums.

At the risk of offending some people, this is vastly more interesting to me than the endless RP wars over the Rebels/Loyalists feud or the plethora of "What's your favourite <...>" threads. To each their own, but pedantic arguments is where the fun is for me. Kick me in the nuts if you have to, but this fact is unlikely to change.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

"Don't argue you're not, you totally are" is an exceptionally poor argument, if for no reason other than it assumes you know how I feel. If this is your impression, then allow me to be blunt - you clearly don't. There's a difference between expressing displeasure and "freaking out" as it were. What, did my mentioning Christianity gave you guys this idea? I wasn't bringing this up as an example of bad things, merely as a religious example, and even that within a very tightly-specific context.

I like to think I remember what I've said, so unless you want to quote the segments you're accusing of freaking out, "you totally are" is an empty gesture. Moreover, it's a gesture that's liable to make me freak out if I weren't already, because it's one of a small collection of specific "honour challenges" that tend to slide right past the logical centre in the brain and cause people (and I am no exception) to yell out "No I'm not! Who do you think you are!" as a twitch reaction.

As a basic rule of thumb, stating an opinion or impression as incontrovertible fact by using definite clauses like "you are" instead of "you seem to be," specifically in the face of claims to the contrary, is probably the easiest, most direct way to antagonise just about anyone but either the most passive or the most instinctively introspective. As such, I consider it a malicious argument, and an outright provocation, at that.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

when i say it was my "opinion" i meant the definition of "opinion" below

An opinion is a subjective statement or thought about an issue or topic, and is the result of emotion or interpretation of facts.

An opinion may be supported by an argument, although people may draw opposing opinions from the same set of facts.

Opinions rarely change without new arguments being presented.

However, it can be reasoned that one opinion is better supported by the facts than another by analyzing the supporting arguments.

An opinion may be the result of a person's perspective, understanding, particular feelings, beliefs, and desires. In casual use, the term opinion may refer to unsubstantiated information, in contrast to knowledge and fact-based beliefs.


when i said i respected your opinion it was exactly just that , i didn't say stuff like this


i never said i wanted certain things... i was giving reasons why i had lost interest in the game when the issues involving AE and the pvp where implemented remember back in this thread? ....and personally i don't care if you agree or not because it is my prerogative.

as it was your prerogative to like the issues ...did i give you a hard time about it?

no.

but anyway, i will not be posting on the forums anymore .

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

And then you go and write up three more paragraphs over nothing just like I said you'd been doing.

Stop it.

I would like to apologize. You did not, in fact actually state a desire for change, and I was wrong for saying you did. However, that does remain the impression that was left upon me reading all of your posts in this thread, due to your repeated statement that the number bugs you, as well as where you said that you felt that if didn't work as well with other origins because of a number that is hidden, and largely ignored.

Considering the propensity that the dev team has for referencing other material, cliched or not, I would be MORE inclined to believe that it was intentional. The number is very likely another Doctor Humperdink, or Romero Heights. And yes, the 'number of the beast' is very much a cliche thanks to it's extensive overuse in any media that even alludes to religion.

I'll just outright ask you; Would knowing that this is intentional actually cause you to never play the set? Even knowing that you would almost have to intentionally look for it to EVER see it in game?

Um... Did I not just say I enjoy this? Call it a discussion, call it an argument, call it embarrassing myself... Hell, call it Shirley, if you must. You keep claiming I'm freaking out, as if totally oblivious to my continued insistence that I actually enjoy this. Very much, in fact. To be honest, it feels like you look at my post, go "Hmm... Text..." and then respond off-the-cuffs. While I can certainly see this as common practice, both on this forum and on the Internet in general, giving me this impression does noting for your credibility, for as far as my opinion matters, at any rate.

As far as "Stop it." goes, I'm debating a response to this. I'm inclined to go with "Make me!" on account of the fact that I am, last I checked the rules, well within my rights to do what I'm doing, as well as on account of the fact it's neither your place nor your business to try and tell me what I should be posting and where. However, I'm concerned that this is a carefully-laid trap, be it intentional or otherwise, to turn it on me and accuse me of freaking out, because it's so inconceivable that someone might take slight at that.

So here's what I will go with: No, I will not stop it. I enjoy this, and if you have a problem with it, follow the proper channels and either ignore me or report me. But please, don't try to assume authority that isn't yours by trying to play moderator. Unless I lost my colour perception somewhere within the last hour, your name does not appear in red letters.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Yeah, I'm starting to regret bringing up that tangent, because apparently I put my foot in my mouth with it. The whole point of it was just that - a tangent building off of what BABs commented on the nature of concept viability, and its point was to demonstrate a trend of odd design direction much more so than practical application. Then again, they went out of their way to make Demon Summoning appeal to a more arcane theme, so I guess on reflection the reference does appear to be within context. I still don't like it, but it makes sense.

Yeah, there are plenty of things I could rant about this very same vein. I've mentioned the PPD Detectives several time, so allow me to mention them again - they're caricatures. There's reference, and then there's basically retelling a famous TV show. Some people like that. To me, it's like caltrops on my swivel chair.

No. I've no intention of deleting my current Demon Mastermind over something so trivial. I enjoy the set, I enjoy the theme, I enjoy the concept. I like arguing over pedantic details as a hobby, but even I'm not dumb enough to put those into actual practice. Mental effort is cheap, and time I have a lot of at the moment, so thinking about things and talking about things is a non-investment. Gameplay... Is rather more of an investment, and as such, it would be foolish to bog it down with pedantic details. Priorities being what they are, I wouldn't ruin my own game with something as trivial, but I wouldn't think twice about arguing over it, anyway.

It's like watching a movie or playing a game - it's a fun experience, but it's rarely something you want to try in real life, unless you happen to have a suit of power armour or the ability to turn into 10 cool aliens or some such

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Sam almost always writes several paragraphs when he posts. In fact, I kind of wish more people would post like him. (Even me )

no u


Seriously, Sam's propensity for wordiness is rather endearing. And he posted those paragraphs because people asked for it.

This line right here is what I am referencing.

Character concept/Origin

"You keep claiming I'm freaking out." Really? I said it once. Then I said you were posting multiple paragraphs about nothing. I didn't repeat myself. Did you take it that way? Not everything has to be read into. All I said was just an observation. I barely say anything and you expand upon it tenfold. That just seems to be what you do.

Again you center on what I said once, but not twice. Do you want me to say you're freaking out? Are you freaking out? Is this freaking you out? You can do whatever you want. If anything, though, it seems like carefully-worded, elaborate spam, be it intentional or otherwise.

What is enjoyable about it, if I may ask? What makes making such long, drawn-out replies to things that are just not important or meaningful at all? I barely posted a couple of sentences and yet I could expect a novella or a rough draft for your dissertation in reply when there was really no way or reason for that much to be said. Discussion and even argument or debate can be enjoyable, I get that. But you have to realize that what this started as (The original topics), and what it has become, has been completely inane and pointless. Sure, you don't find it so, but that's what I'm having trouble understanding, I suppose. If anything, you're an odd duck however you look at it.

I noticed that pretty easily. In fact, that's the reason the post was pointed out to myself and others. He was seen as an object of humor that he would take himself this seriously over things completely non-serious. I can respect a long meaningful reply when it's to something... well, meaningful. This wasn't.

D'aw, you're adorable.

Huh... So I did. Yeah, that... That does indeed make no sense, and I admit to as much. Now I need to trace back the logic that made me say it. If I had to wager a guess, I'd say it's a case of putting my foot in my mouth. I had a point in there somewhere, something about that aforementioned discussion about Demon Summoning being too thematically magic and about why 6.66% fire resistance bugs me, but I seem to have drawn a connection between the two that I honestly should not have. 6.66% bugs me, and Demon Summoning kind of IS magic-slated, but the two points should not have been related.

I guess the point was more about intentional design, such that if I'm going with a non-magical origin, I can dismiss the 6.66% fire resistance as a coincidence, though given the context, I'm unlikely to, whereas if I were going with a magical origin, I'm more likely to see it as intentional, though in reality I'm actually not. So... Yeah. I freely admit a good there.

OK, point for you. That was stupid of me to say. This is why I keep asking you guys to approach things reasonably. This makes sense and, upon reflection, demonstrates a clear mistake on my part, and you didn't even have to browbeat me into it. I can't defend this, because you're right - it is silly.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Remember: You asked me. Keep that in mind as you read on.

This is fun for me. Why? I don't know. In part, it's because English is not my native language. Not even close to it. As such, I speak (or rather write) English as a foreign language. Doing what I'm doing now is part of how I learned English to the level I am at now. I realise I probably upset (and most probably bored) a fair few people along the way, but that comes with the territory. Over the years, I've just come to accept that I enjoy writing things.

Some people draw. Some people sing. Some people break their bodies doing bike or skate board stunts. Some people make movies and host them on the 'net. I write. Occasionally I write fiction, most of the time I write in forums. This is my hobby. I have what I'd class as three separate hobbies - games, writing and mathematics. Games are obvious, mathematics may be strange, but it is what it is, and writing is just this. This that you're looking at. The three are intertwined in ways that are too boring to try and explain, but suffice it to say that I enjoy writing and I enjoy petty arguments.

As such, where most people would write only as little as they can get away and still carry their meaning across, I will typically write about as much as I can fit in before posts become unmanageable. I realise that means a large portion of people will simply not read my posts as a result, but again, it is what it is. I really have no motivation to do anything about it. Outside of specific cases when I'm trying to deliver something to the development team when I NEED it to be read and will so try to be concise, I write posts for fun, and as such, I write them how I have fun writing them.

People have historically had a problem with that, and I have no reason to believe that will change. Generally, I accept that as part and parcel of what I'm doing. Some will read, some will skip, and occasionally some will tl;dr. That's just how things roll. Then there are cases like these, when someone takes enough exception to me to start digging into my methodology. On the off chance that it's someone looking for understanding and context, I'm flattered and I'm always happy to explain. Most commonly, it's people who just don't like my face and would very much like to ruin my day for it, and in these cases there really isn't much one can do about it.

In a single sentence (and there's a reason I've adopted this as an ending): I enjoy writing long, overthought posts on the off chance that the people who care might find something interesting and safe in the knowledge that people who don't care will likely just not read what I wrote.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

I'll try to remember to quote what I'm responding to in the future.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.