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I gotta agree with everyone else and say you're overreacting way too much, Sam.
And I gotta' scratch my head at everyone because I can't see where I'm over-reacting, or indeed reacting at all. I see a number, I comment on it, and people read some kind of malice and anger into it? Enough to tell me to "get the **** over [myself]?" Really? Why are you guys so ready to jump up and down on people for expressing what, for all intents and purposes, is opinionated taste? I mean, yeah, you could turn the argument around on me, but that kind of fails when you start running into the language filter.

I don't like it. You can insult me till the cows come home. You're not going to make me like it any more. I have my reasons for how I feel. You may not like them, but since they were not intended to convince you but merely to explain my own stance, I don't see why that has to bother anyone. Why is there this compulsive NEED to try and convince people they are wrong to feel as they do and to show them how the reasons they feel that way are false. It's an opinion. You can no more convince me to like the 6.66% resistance value than you can convince me to like coffee or mountaineering or soccer. At the end of the day, it will always come down to "I don't like that" and, as much as it may irk people, this is not a position I will reconsider just because you tell me to get over myself in a stern tone of voice. That's not how things work.

As far as it being intentional, yes, that would bother me more. If it's unintentional, then these things happen. I could smirk at it, though I'd probably roll my eyes, but either way I'd go on. If it's intentional, however, I know that someone put it there on purpose, and I don't enjoy that prospect. It's like... Oh, here's a good one. It's like the playback volume on my microphone always returning to default (50%) upon restart even though I turned it down and muted it so I don't get microphone feedback. If it's just crappy coding in Windows 7, then what are you gonna' do? Every version of Windows has to suck in some way. But if it's intentional because someone assumed I would never have a reason to NOT have my microphone broadcast, then I'd be slightly more pissed off, because that's a very bad idea.

If it's unintentional, it bugs me, but I have no-one to blame. If it's intentional, it bugs me and I blame it on the people who did it on purpose. Having someone to be angry at makes anger ever so slightly more poignant, believe it or not.

And again - I don't like this. You guys may not like it, but browbeating me about it is not going to change things. In fact, it's likely to make me even LESS receptive to reason if that's possible.

*edit*
And as to why 6.66% resistance bugs me more than all the other stuff... I could get into that, but do you really care? REALLY? Can anyone honestly tell me that you'd like to sit down and read through what will probably end up being five paragraphs expositing the finer points of what bugs me by how much in comparison to what else? Seriously? Because I can do that. I just don't believe anyone actually wants to know.


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The only point I'm calling you out on, Sam, is when you effectively said that the sigils are easier to handwave away for concept reasons than a number in a power that you can't see and that will change.

That I just don't get.


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Posting a complaint on a forum is reacting.


 

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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison View Post
The only point I'm calling you out on, Sam, is when you effectively said that the sigils are easier to handwave away for concept reasons than a number in a power that you can't see and that will change.

That I just don't get.
Hey, if you wanna' hear it, I'll post it

I don't have a problem with pretty much anything in the conceptual design of Demon Summoning as it is. BABs said it best when he explained that the Demons' origin doesn't have to match your own. But even if I were so inclined to want, say, techno-demons or Doom the Movie style ******** mutant demons, I can fudge the sigils a number of ways. Technologically, it's fairly easy to explain the sigils the kind of mystical made-up science required to warp the space-time continuum, or even matrix-style code to run the Demon Kernell (good name for a character, there). For sciency demons... I'm actually not sure. I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

6.66% damage resistance isn't something that bothers me on a conceptual basis, as I tend to ignore numbers in concepts anyway. In fact, and I could be wrong on this, but I believe what I said was that it sigils BOTHER me less, not that they're easier to hand-wave. And it's true. Art design I can respect, even when I don't agree with it. This, however, was not necessary, and I simply don't appreciate it. And I don't appreciate it because it's a needless reference to what has got to be the MOST OBVIOUS aspect of demonology ever. You couldn't get more blatant if your Ember Demon had 100% chance to cause DEVIL on the target.

I recently got into an argument over the radios they introduced into Portal over Steam recently, and was told that, though an elaborate procedure of pointing them in the right direction, getting messages interpreted as Morse code, decoding those and so forth, you'd get an announcement for Portal 2. If that is indeed true, THAT is the kind of reference that's actually very well hidden. This is akin to slapping a Portal 2 banner at the end of the credits and relying on people to just not sit through to the end (which, with Still Alive, is a bad bet).

Then again, I'm easily bugged by cheap references. I couldn't begin to describe the kind of seething hatred I have for City of Heroes detectives. Even when I can't tell which movie they are from, I still know they're out of a movie, which, honestly, takes their creative value down to somewhere between Wolverine knockoffs and toilet humour. At least in my eyes.

And if you see me talk about hating fun or hating humour, know that I'm not joking.


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Posting a complaint on a forum is reacting.
Insomuch as answering your phone is a reaction to it ringing, but you don't tell people answering their phones to get the **** over themselves. Well, OK, I don't.


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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow View Post
And as to why 6.66% resistance bugs me more than all the other stuff... I could get into that, but do you really care? REALLY? Can anyone honestly tell me that you'd like to sit down and read through what will probably end up being five paragraphs expositing the finer points of what bugs me by how much in comparison to what else? Seriously? Because I can do that. I just don't believe anyone actually wants to know.
*Raises hand*

I would. I would really like to try and understand your take on this because I really do not get it.


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*Raises hand*

I would. I would really like to try and understand your take on this because I really do not get it.
Explained above. I guess more people cared than I expected


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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow View Post
Explained above. I guess more people cared than I expected
It's the morbid curiosity of trying to understand a mind radically different from your own.


And now that I've read through it, I can kinda see where you're coming from. The numbers (and the detectives, and a bunch of the other in-jokes) don't really bother me mostly because I just don't care. But you do, so hey. I'm sure there are things I care about but you don't.


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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow View Post
Insomuch as answering your phone is a reaction to it ringing, but you don't tell people answering their phones to get the **** over themselves. Well, OK, I don't.
I do if they answer it with a meaningless complaint.


 

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ease up on life sam..and your right about one thing.i dont care why


 

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And if you see me talk about hating fun or hating humour, know that I'm not joking.
Why do you play games, then? Masochism?


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I recently got into an argument over the radios they introduced into Portal over Steam recently, and was told that, though an elaborate procedure of pointing them in the right direction, getting messages interpreted as Morse code, decoding those and so forth, you'd get an announcement for Portal 2. If that is indeed true, THAT is the kind of reference that's actually very well hidden. This is akin to slapping a Portal 2 banner at the end of the credits and relying on people to just not sit through to the end (which, with Still Alive, is a bad bet).
actually it is true they set it up as an elaborate game that took multiple steps and they didn't give hints they didn't promote it on game news sites ...even though it caught on and people eventually found out about it.

it was an ARG "alternate reality game" a scavenger hunt of sorts started in the thread below

portal thread

it was neat, it went like this from what i can remember.

portal was patched
"on the patch notes it mentioned a strange radio signal detected"

people played threw the levels found radios scattered around all the levels if they moved the radios around the maps they would pick up signals ....the radios where producing morse code and some where making a distinctive sound.

people then ran the different sounds threw some Spectral analysis thing and the
people where discovering pictures ..

well from the pictures and morse code people where able to decipher a phone number which lead to a bbs "bulletin board system" when they called the bbs "on a 56k modem i may add " it would post ascii art which was art too portal2.

it was a fun game to figure out and follow

the link i provided shows how it played out from the beginning.

edit oh yeah in the people thread it's like over 2 million page views and about 768 pages?


 

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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow View Post
The 666 number of the beast is a pretty heavily Christian concept, so to stuff it in a set that's purportedly designed for all Origins seems rather a wrong choice.
You're right. I hear a lot of christians have a problem with the science origin.

Edit: If you don't think that was funny, you can go burn somewhere that will probably be censored.


 

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You're right. I hear a lot of christians have a problem with the science origin.

Edit: If you don't think that was funny, you can go burn somewhere that will probably be censored.
Personally, I thought it was hilarious, as funny as my Athiest version of the 'When god was giving out brains, you were in the toilet' insult.

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Okay you twisted my arm "When Evolution was writing the human genetic code it got to you and made a typo!!"... BOOM BOOM...

No? Oh alright then


 

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You're right. I hear a lot of christians have a problem with the science origin.

Edit: If you don't think that was funny, you can go burn somewhere that will probably be censored.
It was quite funny. Good one.


 

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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow View Post
I, myself, went with a rather basic concept of a pretty much traditional demon, just with unorthodox motivation (and in the shape of a little child) whom I made Natural for reasons that don't bear discussing, but if I wanted to go with, say, a Technology or Science Mastermind, that little reference (if it's intentional) WOULD bug me.
Any mad scientist who creates something that looks like a demon and doesn't include 666 in it somewhere is required to turn in his mad scientist registration card. It's true. ยง9.3, paragraph 3 of the International Mad Scientist Association's charter. Look it up.

For other ideas, there's also "an alien from 666 Desdemona" (a minor planet in our solar system). 666 is abundant, triangular, the sum of the first 36 natural numbers (and, therefore, 666 is the sum of all the numbers on a roulette wheel). The square of the number of prime numbers up to 36 is 121, which is the number of prime numbers up to 666. In roman numerals, 666 is DCLXVI, which contains all of the roman numerals under 1000, and in descending order.


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You're right. I hear a lot of christians have a problem with the science origin.

Edit: If you don't think that was funny, you can go burn somewhere that will probably be censored.
that's a good one

i was gonna come up with a joke involving atheism ,but i couldn't come up with anything.


 

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Nite Wraith works the mike:

Personally, I thought it was hilarious, as funny as my Athiest version of the 'When god was giving out brains, you were in the toilet' insult.

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Okay you twisted my arm "When Evolution was writing the human genetic code it got to you and made a typo!!"... BOOM BOOM...

No? Oh alright then
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You're right. I hear a lot of christians have a problem with the science origin.

Edit: If you don't think that was funny, you can go burn somewhere that will probably be censored.
Yeah, I'm not a religious person, really. In fact, I don't think my country is even the slightest bit religious. Sure, we have a long history of Christianity and our own Orthodox church, but I dare say most people here are agnostic, at least to a large degree.

And again, my problem with 666 was more that it was cheap and uninventive more than anything else. Seriously, 666 is like the RickRoll of demonology.


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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

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I do if they answer it with a meaningless complaint.
So, if my phone rang and my response was "What now? Can't you people leave me alone for five minutes!" you'd tell me to get the **** over myself.

OK, in that case you can go to hell.

Ha!


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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

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Just another in a long line of easter eggs (no pun intended...or is it?) hidden throughout this game and videogames in general...nothing to see here.


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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow View Post
So, if my phone rang and my response was "What now? Can't you people leave me alone for five minutes!" you'd tell me to get the **** over myself.

OK, in that case you can go to hell.

Ha!
Yes indeed. If my call is answered that way I do say exactly that.