Going Rogue Consequences

With GR we can port heros to villains and vice versa. How about in addition to just porting over the archetype and the ability to use patron/epics of the opposing faction, we also introduce stat increase/decrease for those that choose to go rogue as a consequence of their change of allegiance?

For example, a tank that goes rogue gets a damage buff (his methods becomes more lethal), but that perk is offset by something, like lower gauntlet value, lower base hit points or lower values from toggles.

I don't have a complete list of these perks/negatives that accompanies each AT but the idea is that each perk would be counter balanced by a negative.

I think this would introduce another layer of variety and another round of build possibilities without having to create more ATs.

It's not about penalties, I did mention a perk to COUNTER BALANCE the penalty.

It's not about the difficulty in achieving the transition from good to evil, nor about the time it takes to do so.

It's about a little more variety so that we are not getting just a straight up port of the same ATs across factions. If they switch back they revert back to their original stats.

I don't see the harm of posting an idea in the suggestions forum. I didn't know something like this could rattle your nerves so much, maybe my next post will have pictures of dozens of bunnies, or cake, to assuage your rage.

The idea is to introduce some kind of perk/penalty for side switching that is reversible, since there are only two factions. To expand a little more using my tanker example, when he goes rogue he gets the damage buff at the cost of lower hit points, or lower armor values, or something else I haven't thought about that would be an appropriate penalty. But if he switches back to the good side he reverts back to tanker values.

The exact details may not be what I offered as examples. The goal is to offer another layer of variety using existing ATs, so as to open up new build possibilities and playing experiences.

It maybe too late for GR and that's fine. I'll withdraw my 'how about for GR" portion of my idea.

So....a redside Tanker who thinks he's a Scrapper then?

We already know that there will be some sort of perk for not crossing over, although whether it's just a badge (or series of badges) or something that actually has gameplay relevance has yet to be determined.

If it floats your boat, sure, for that example.

The actual perks/penalties, however, may not be what I offer in my example.

There are existing game mechanics that don't fit conceptually, look at the end discount portion of vigilance. I get an end discount for dead teammates?

Just as there are those comic book characters that don't fit conceptually with this idea, I'm sure there are also others that do.

The example I gave was just that, an example to illustrate the idea. I don't have anything final because this idea occurred to me a few hours ago. However, this is a forum and all and I'm not opposed to like-minded people pooling ideas together.

A very valid question Samuel. I was actually thinking about that last night.

We already have reward pop ups for the respec/LRSF/STF/HAMI. A threshold can be setup with the morality system and the player can choose whether he wants a straight up port or an alternate version with perks/penalties. This way players that wants a straight up port over to the other side still has that option.

We haven't seen it yet but you want consequences/alterations.

I think I lack the ability to express the amount of No I have at this time for any suggestion of this type.

Have you played every AT and every possible powerset combination? If not then why add more to the game when you haven't availed yourself to what is available already?

I hear going villain gives you a goatee, but going hero cleans your teeth.

I say, "No thanks" to consequences. Nothing against you or your idea, I just don't like the concept of being penalized for playing the game as designed.

We already know from the different promos that the devs have done that it's not going to be a flip of a switch and *BOOM!* you're on the other side. And we already know that you can't take your inf with you. That's enough consequence for me, thank you.

I really wonder if some of you are simply reacting to the term "consequences." Would it stop the knee jerk reaction if I retitled the thread Going Rogue Branching Options?

Let me recap my idea, I'm afraid it's getting lost amidst all the negativity:

Switching sides will allow you to choose an alternate set of stats for your character, those that wish to just port over the exact same AT over to the other side can still do so.

This alternate set of stats will buff one aspect of your AT, for example base damage, but weaken another aspect, for example base hit points.

These alternate stat changes are reversible, either by completing some objectives similar to a respec trial or simply by employing the same mechanic that made 2nd builds possible.

I really don't see anything that can adversely affect playing experience, those people that wish things as they are still have the option to.

You're asking to turn a Tank into a Brute or a Scrapper into a Stalker or a Controller into a Dominator, effectively.

Just roll the native AT to that side in that case, this option brings nothing to the table.