Hall of Fame requirements need revisiting


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February 2011 update. We picked up a new one this month and Teen Phalanx Forever! returned to page 3!

Yay Teen Phalanx!

Thanks for the update! It's nice to see a month where this indicator went up instead of down.


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It's clear from this data that MA has went the way of the dodo and that the dev's have abandon it except to slap in new maps/foes here and there. A real shame too.


 

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Just wanted to voice my opinion in agreement with Wrong Number on the HoF requirements.

100 5 stars (actual or average) should qualify an arc for HoF. The new-ness of A/E has died off and a more reasonable goal of reaching Hall of Fame certainly would be nice.

2018 is a long ways to go to "maybe" reach Hall of Fame.


 

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Keep writing arcs, folks, and keep spreading the word on getting 'em played. Things should improve!
I wish it was true, but I don't see it. My original estimate of 10 plays a month has dropped off. One of my 5 star page 3 arcs has seen a 1 play in about two weeks. The other is getting closer to 5 plays a month. At that rate I'm looking at closer to 12 years before HoF. Add to this that it's been OVER A YEAR since the last DC not tied into a contest means no arc slots for new arcs. It's been over six months since I was able to publish a new arc. As time passes and authors continue to be shut out, interest will continue to drop.


WN


Check out one of my most recent arcs:
457506 - A Very Special Episode - An abandoned TV, a missing kid's TV show host and more
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or one of my other arcs including two 2010 Player's Choice Winners and an2009 Official AE Awards Nominee for Best Original Story

 

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I wish it was true, but I don't see it. My original estimate of 10 plays a month has dropped off. One of my 5 star page 3 arcs has seen a 1 play in about two weeks. The other is getting closer to 5 plays a month. At that rate I'm looking at closer to 12 years before HoF. Add to this that it's been OVER A YEAR since the last DC not tied into a contest means no arc slots for new arcs. It's been over six months since I was able to publish a new arc. As time passes and authors continue to be shut out, interest will continue to drop.


WN
I mostly agree with this, except there's one thing to keep in mind: many players right now are running their 50s through the new end-game content, which - in a horrible oversight if you ask me - doesn't even slightly involve the MA system, not even one little bit; seriously, could it have hurt to try and slip it in there somewhere, maybe back behind the potted plants or something?

That's probably artificially keeping plays down right now. I'm sure once some of that end-game shininess wears off, we'll be back up to... one or two plays a month. :/


 

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I mostly agree with this, except there's one thing to keep in mind: many players right now are running their 50s through the new end-game content, which - in a horrible oversight if you ask me - doesn't even slightly involve the MA system, not even one little bit; seriously, could it have hurt to try and slip it in there somewhere, maybe back behind the potted plants or something?

That's probably artificially keeping plays down right now. I'm sure once some of that end-game shininess wears off, we'll be back up to... one or two plays a month. :/
Well I haven't actually checked, but there's no reason why Dev's Choice arcs shouldn't drop Incarnate Shards if you set them to regular rewards. If they do in fact drop shards it might be a good idea to pick some high-level Dev's Choices...you know, in case some people get bored running tip missions, Battle Maiden farms and the ITF over and over....


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The production timeline is generally over a year long (working 2-3 issues ahead). How long ago did he make those threads? Some are already coming to light. Some may never see the light of day, some are probably in the works and are 1-2 issues down the line.
This is pretty accurate actually.As Bubba points out though, there's a certain incubation time between an art decision and something big turning up in game. So even though we've taken a lot of your suggestions to heart and worked them into our ongoing pipeline, you won't necessarily see them all right away. Sometimes, it even requires brand new tech to make some of these ideas work correctly. Rest assured though, every ATA thread has helped us queue things up for maximum fan joy.

Cheers,
NS
I only realized this earlier today that this applies to AE changes as well. This thread was started in May, 7 months ago. My memory isn't that great, but I believe this thread was really the start of the AE community really pulling for change in the star system, search engine, etc. There might have been suggestions, but I believe it was after this that it became more than just a suggestion. That means if they have taken our suggestions to heart, which I really believe they have, that it could be issue 20 or even 21 before any changes can have the chance to actually hit the live game. I guess I'm saying don't give up hope just yet.


 

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...That means if they have taken our suggestions to heart, which I really believe they have, that it could be issue 20 or even 21 before any changes can have the chance to actually hit the live game. I guess I'm saying don't give up hope just yet.
This thread was not the first by far. Here is another example from January 2010 about the star system that mentions the many previous threads with ideas on how to fix it:

Star Rating = System Failure

The reason this thread has lasted 10 months (not 7) is that I do updates monthly. If I didn't I'm certain it would be buried many pages back.

So time wise we are well past the point where a year has passed since serious concerns about the rating system were repeatedly raised. If the intentions are to correct these errors, if they do see them as errors, why not a word saying something like"hang in there guys, we know and it will be addressed". What would that take five minutes? Add to that that despite three, yes THREE threads going back well over a year asking for suggestions for dev's choices, none have been given from these threads. As far as we know none have even been played. To me, this is a clear lack of seeing MA as any kind of priority. I know the dev's are busy, but I'm sorry I don't believe they are so overwhelmed that not a single response could be posted in that time or a single arc from one of the threads could have been played.

As much as I loved CoH and MA, the hope I have for any attention being giving to MA is all but gone.


WN


Check out one of my most recent arcs:
457506 - A Very Special Episode - An abandoned TV, a missing kid's TV show host and more
416951 - The Ms. Manners Task Force - More wacky villains, Wannabes. things in poor taste

or one of my other arcs including two 2010 Player's Choice Winners and an2009 Official AE Awards Nominee for Best Original Story

 

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I'm still subscribed to the game and pop on from time to time just to say "hi", but for the most part I don't play.


As for the HoF data, I did actually record it, but decided that it's clear that MA is an extremely low priority for the devs if they care at all. So, I figured the data is pretty pointless. It's as pointless as creating THREE "Recommendations for DC" threads stretching all the way back to when MA started and never playing arcs from them or handing out DCs.


WN


Check out one of my most recent arcs:
457506 - A Very Special Episode - An abandoned TV, a missing kid's TV show host and more
416951 - The Ms. Manners Task Force - More wacky villains, Wannabes. things in poor taste

or one of my other arcs including two 2010 Player's Choice Winners and an2009 Official AE Awards Nominee for Best Original Story

 

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Sorry to hear that your interest in the game has waned, WN.

This is an interesting thread for sure, but I just decided to look at it now.

Why? Because MA isn't that interesting for me now for a variety of reasons. I'd go into that but that is a separate discussion entirely.

Lowering the requirements is an interesting idea, but it goes counter to what the devs originally wanted, I'd bet. They want people to play it more instead of lowering the requirements to a (sane) certain level. For them it would be an admission of defeat. (I say suck it up and fix the damn thing.)

The rating system needs to be revamped for HoF and DC etc., but so does the entire MA UI. Changing the rating part of it in itself would just be putting a band-aid on a gaping wound.

But to think that something will change because it is minor change is very hit-or-miss. Look at the base builders and PvP sections of the forums and you'll see the same types of issues, many long standing too.


 

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March 2011 update.

Thought I'd update this (albeit rather late) ... for SCIENCE!!

As of March 24, arcs with 100 or more plays, 5 stars or higher and not HoF or DC:

Arcs Published Pre-15 (6/29/2009) - 8
Arcs Published Post I-15 - 7

Total Number of arcs out of 70,930 arcs - 15

Put another way: .0211% of the arcs in the system have more than 100 plays while still maintaining a 5 star rating.

Percentage of current HoF Arcs Published in 4/09 - 86%.

It is worth noting that we picked up a new Hall of Fame arc since the last update. It is widely considered a farm arc, though there is a thin veneer of story. Very thin.

I cannot explain the sharp uptick in the 100 or more / 5 stars or higher count from the previous month. It is possible that I am measuring this differently than WN did; I simply counted all the arcs that match the criteria on pages 3 and 4 of the default search (none were apparent on the next several pages). Alternative hypotheses include: 5-star rating cartels, loss of interest on the part of griefers, or maybe people are actually playing good arcs and rating them highly. (You pick your preferred explanation. I cannot verify any of them.)


History
May - 12 (11/1)
June - 14 (11/3)
July - 14 (11/3)
August - 11 (8/3)
September - 11 (7/4)
October - 10 (8/2)
November - 13 (10/3)
December - 10 (7/3)
January - 7 (3/4)
February - 8 (4/4)
March - 15 (8/7)


@PW - Police Woman (50 AR/dev blaster on Liberty)
TALOS - PW war journal - alternate contact tree using MA story arcs
=VICE= "Give me Liberty, or give me debt!"

 

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March 2011 update.

Like I said I recorded the actual info on March 1st. I just didn't post it since I didn't think anyone cared anymore, but since you do:

As of March 1st, arcs with 100 or more plays, 5 stars or higher and not HoF or DC:

Arcs Published Pre-15 (6/29/2009) - 8
Arcs Published Post I-15 - 6

Total Number of arcs out of 70,676 arcs - 14

Put another way: .00198% of the arcs in the system have more than 100 plays while still maintaining a 5 star rating.

Percentage of current HoF Arcs Published in 4/09 - 86%.

History
May - 12 (11/1)
June - 14 (11/3)
July - 14 (11/3)
August - 11 (8/3)
September - 11 (7/4)
October - 10 (8/2)
November - 13 (10/3)
December - 10 (7/3)
January - 7 (3/4)
February - 8 (4/4)
March - 14 (8/6)


WN


Check out one of my most recent arcs:
457506 - A Very Special Episode - An abandoned TV, a missing kid's TV show host and more
416951 - The Ms. Manners Task Force - More wacky villains, Wannabes. things in poor taste

or one of my other arcs including two 2010 Player's Choice Winners and an2009 Official AE Awards Nominee for Best Original Story