Hall of Fame requirements need revisiting
By
airhead,
Posted on: 2010-05-13 08:24 in Mission Architect
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A lot of us bought the extra 5 slots a long time ago, and have long since filled them all up. Without the extra slot from a HoF or DC you won't be seeing any more stories from us unless we can decide which of our children is our least favorite and deserves to be drowned.
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Originally Posted by Rigel_Kent
Finally, has anyone given any thought to paid arc slots being a possible disincentive for devs to expand HOF availability? If HOF stays unattainable, what are you going to do about it? Buy arc slots, but click angrily while doing so?
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A harsh comparison, Lazarus, but true. For me, I have an arc I could probably cut (my one real villain arc, Fox Hunt), but the fact remains that I put time and effort into it, and I do enjoy it on some levels. . . but if I can't take the time and energy to make MORE without deleting something, that kinda stinks. 
I'm out of signature space! Arcs by Tubbius of Justice are HERE: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=218177
Monthly update time. Some changes this month,
As of August 1st we now have the following breakdown of arcs with 100 or more plays and that are still rated at 5 stars.
Arcs Published Pre-15 - 8 (6 of these were published in April 09)
Arcs Published Post I-15 - 3
Total Number of arcs out of 66,440 arcs - 11
Put another way: .0001655% of the arcs in the system have more than 100 plays while still maintaining a 5 star rating.
Another point of note Teen Phalanx Forever! seems to be just about getting the 10 plays per month average I predicted.
WN
Check out one of my most recent arcs:
457506 - A Very Special Episode - An abandoned TV, a missing kid's TV show host and more
416951 - The Ms. Manners Task Force - More wacky villains, Wannabes. things in poor taste
or one of my other arcs including two 2010 Player's Choice Winners and an2009 Official AE Awards Nominee for Best Original Story
I wish I could come up with a non-exploitive (is that even a word?) way to allow for plays to be counted per character rather than per global.
There are several arcs, especially those rare low-levels that I've played through with multiple characters. I loved to see some type of recognition for something that is so enjoyable, you seek it out over and over again.
My Characters
Every play-through should be counted.
Winner of Players' Choice Best Villainous Arc 2010: Fear and Loathing on Striga; ID #350522
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I know that I am getting repeat plays one at least one of my arcs because every day or so when I log in the "You have X tickets to claim" number has gone up again yet when I check AE I only see a few new ratings a week at most.
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Originally Posted by Tatmia
I wish I could come up with a non-exploitive (is that even a word?) way to allow for plays to be counted per character rather than per global.
There are several arcs, especially those rare low-levels that I've played through with multiple characters. I loved to see some type of recognition for something that is so enjoyable, you seek it out over and over again. |
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Are you stating that as how it should be or that I'm wrong on how it works?|
Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg
Every play-through should be counted.
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I'll be more than willing to test again, but I know my daughter just wrote an arc, she's had me run it on a few characters to test it out, and it still shows that it's only had one rating.
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I know that sometimes I forget to rate, instead of moving the pop up box to read the final dialogue, I'll accidentally close it. I might have done that with Unfair Trade the other day.
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Originally Posted by Lazarus
I know that I am getting repeat plays one at least one of my arcs because every day or so when I log in the "You have X tickets to claim" number has gone up again yet when I check AE I only see a few new ratings a week at most.
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If you don't rate then the author doesn't get any tickets. But after several days you can rate an arc again and it does give the author tickets but does not increment the ratings total. The latter is what I am referring to.
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Originally Posted by Tatmia
I know that sometimes I forget to rate, instead of moving the pop up box to read the final dialogue, I'll accidentally close it. I might have done that with Unfair Trade the other day.
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I mean that's how I think it should be, not how it works.
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Originally Posted by Tatmia
Are you stating that as how it should be or that I'm wrong on how it works?
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Winner of Players' Choice Best Villainous Arc 2010: Fear and Loathing on Striga; ID #350522
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I completely agree. However, my guess is that people would complain about the fact that an arc made Hall of Fame because they were able to convince their friends to run it over and over agin.
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Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg
I mean that's how I think it should be, not how it works.
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That's fine with me. If their friends are kind enough to play a bad arc over and over to make it HoF then more power to them. Most likely we won't see bad arcs in the HoF, but we might see arcs that people like well enough to play over and over.
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Originally Posted by Tatmia
I completely agree. However, my guess is that people would complain about the fact that an arc made Hall of Fame because they were able to convince their friends to run it over and over agin.
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Winner of Players' Choice Best Villainous Arc 2010: Fear and Loathing on Striga; ID #350522
Couldn't I play my own arc over and over? Wouldn't the latest farm map get enough plays to earn a HoF?
I understand the desire to correct the problem, but I think allowing each play through to count would create a bigger problem. I think lowering the requirements to obtain HoF is a better way to go.
50s: Inv/SS PB Emp/Dark Grav/FF DM/Regen TA/A Sonic/Elec MA/Regen Fire/Kin Sonic/Rad Ice/Kin Crab Fire/Cold NW Merc/Dark Emp/Sonic Rad/Psy Emp/Ice WP/DB FA/SM
Overlord of Dream Team and Nightmare Squad
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Your own plays don't count. I didn't mean to change that.|
Originally Posted by Bionic_Flea
Couldn't I play my own arc over and over?
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| Wouldn't the latest farm map get enough plays to earn a HoF? |
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| I understand the desire to correct the problem, but I think allowing each play through to count would create a bigger problem. I think lowering the requirements to obtain HoF is a better way to go. |
Winner of Players' Choice Best Villainous Arc 2010: Fear and Loathing on Striga; ID #350522
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Oh, OK.|
Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg
Your own plays don't count. I didn't mean to change that.
I think counting all plays would be a more accurate way to find the arcs that are truly popular. |
Then I'll run it on my second account.
Sorry, I still think counting all plays is too easily exploitable. Anyone that wants a HoF will get one. Most of those that get one under that method won't deserve it.
50s: Inv/SS PB Emp/Dark Grav/FF DM/Regen TA/A Sonic/Elec MA/Regen Fire/Kin Sonic/Rad Ice/Kin Crab Fire/Cold NW Merc/Dark Emp/Sonic Rad/Psy Emp/Ice WP/DB FA/SM
Overlord of Dream Team and Nightmare Squad
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Or at least show the total plays as a separate stat that we can also use when searching for arcs. It says something when an arc has many more repeat plays than ratings and is not a farm.|
Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg
I think counting all plays would be a more accurate way to find the arcs that are truly popular.
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I consider replayability to be very important when declaring an arc to be "great."
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Everyone don't have a second account.|
Originally Posted by Bionic_Flea
Oh, OK.
Then I'll run it on my second account. |
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| Sorry, I still think counting all plays is too easily exploitable. Anyone that wants a HoF will get one. |
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| Most of those that get one under that method won't deserve it. |
Winner of Players' Choice Best Villainous Arc 2010: Fear and Loathing on Striga; ID #350522
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I think having another stat "Total Plays" is a great idea. I get several replays on arcs quite often though I am uncertain of which arcs are getting them. It would also be useful to the author to see which arcs get the replays since that might inspire them to do a follow up arc of some sort.|
Originally Posted by Lazarus
Or at least show the total plays as a separate stat that we can also use when searching for arcs. It says something when an arc has many more repeat plays than ratings and is not a farm.
I consider replayability to be very important when declaring an arc to be "great." |
WN
Check out one of my most recent arcs:
457506 - A Very Special Episode - An abandoned TV, a missing kid's TV show host and more
416951 - The Ms. Manners Task Force - More wacky villains, Wannabes. things in poor taste
or one of my other arcs including two 2010 Player's Choice Winners and an2009 Official AE Awards Nominee for Best Original Story
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Well, I assume everyone either has a second account, or a friend. Really popular people with two friends could get it done in half the time!|
Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg
Everyone don't have a second account.
Anyone with a second account you mean. |
Or you know, you could sign up for a free trial account and vote. Or if you don't have any friends or a second account, but it really means that much to you to have HoF, spend $15 for a month.
Those don't work for you? Try this one on for size:
"10 million inf to anyone who plays my arc and votes 5 stars. Free XP, Free tickets, and a bonus 10 million Inf! PST."
50s: Inv/SS PB Emp/Dark Grav/FF DM/Regen TA/A Sonic/Elec MA/Regen Fire/Kin Sonic/Rad Ice/Kin Crab Fire/Cold NW Merc/Dark Emp/Sonic Rad/Psy Emp/Ice WP/DB FA/SM
Overlord of Dream Team and Nightmare Squad
You know, the world would be a much simpler place without exploiters, huh? 
I've been a lurker on this thread because there are quite a few MA gurus far more knowledgable than I making comments that are said better than what I'd say. Given the number of repeat runs my arcs are getting lately - which don't show as stats anywhere - I had to at least make my presence known here. I don't have a second account, and if it is friends playing my arcs, it's because they like the arcs (not because they're helping to pad it). There has to be some combination of stats that could contribute to a more realistic HoF goal. Besides PW's wonderful arc, I'm not certain any of the rest of us will ever see one (or *another* one in some cases) again.
The SOLUS Foundation - a Liberty and Pinnacle SG
"The Consequences of War" - Arcs # 227331 and 241496
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How do you think some of those current HoF arcs got there in the first place?
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Originally Posted by Bionic_Flea
Those don't work for you? Try this one on for size:
"10 million inf to anyone who plays my arc and votes 5 stars. Free XP, Free tickets, and a bonus 10 million Inf! PST." |
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Okay, I now have two wishes for AE|
Originally Posted by Wrong_Number
I think having another stat "Total Plays" is a great idea. I get several replays on arcs quite often though I am uncertain of which arcs are getting them. It would also be useful to the author to see which arcs get the replays since that might inspire them to do a follow up arc of some sort.
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(The first being that I want the ability to search for arcs in the same way I can search for recipes in WW/BM. Rather than searching at my level I want drop down searches so I can search for 8-23 or 31-46, etc.)
Im sure the in-game authors probably have these stats pulled for their arcs. Id place money on the Croatoa arcs winning for pre-40 hero replay. I know in our house, we make sure we don't outlevel them.
Im sure youll roll your eyes, but Ive replayed In Poor Taste quite a few times. According to my daughter, I have the maturity of a 13 y/o boy.
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Except that you don't have to finish an arc to vote.|
Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg
That's fine with me. If their friends are kind enough to play a bad arc over and over to make it HoF then more power to them. Most likely we won't see bad arcs in the HoF, but we might see arcs that people like well enough to play over and over.
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If you did have to finish (which you should, regardless), you'd still have the problem of people using friends to push easily completed single-mission arcs into HoF.
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Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg
Everyone don't have a second account.
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But if a HoF arc isn't good it won't keep its HoF status for very long. Other people will give it the ratings it deserves and it will drop out of HoF quickly.
I also think you overestimate the number of people willing to play an arc 100 times, no matter how short it is.
Winner of Players' Choice Best Villainous Arc 2010: Fear and Loathing on Striga; ID #350522
Reinforcing the notion of "Welcome to MA! Story or leveling, pick one" may backfire. I'd prefer to see either a 'story+leveling' 'leveling only' split, or a 'story only' 'leveling only' 'story+leveling' split.
Is it as fast as running through "Freakshow on the Steel Canyon" map yet again? No. But you can, and do, level off story based arcs without the author really having to put much effort into the reward side of things.
Eva Destruction AR/Fire/Munitions Blaster
Darkfire Avenger DM/SD/Body Scrapper
Arc ID#161629 Freaks, Geeks, and Men in Black
Arc ID#431270 Until the End of the World