Issue 17 lagfest

I have a gtx470 card and if i put the shadows on max game lags i have to turn them down to get decent framerate.
yet any other game i can max out and is a much better looking game.
Looks like coh has some optimization issues :-(

I'm not currently running ultra mode, but am getting lag spikes in the city/hazard zones, but not in missions. For example, I was on a team with 6 demon summoners without any lag, but was getting quite a bit running around Port Oakes.

from all the stickies and post and threads going throughout its cleasr this issue was pushed out before it was ready.

everything from ati to nvidia to vista to m7 to drivers and lag spikes are happening.hell even the market is down

we are all playing the waiting game for fixes at this point...your gonna have to be one of them waiting as well.

Im sorry guys..My PC is fine. they told us what was what before it came out and by learning..i know what settings are best for me. the only lag i have had has been when i was downloading something. ive been fine since and so have my mt8s mostly...it looks like ur lack of knowledge and readyness is ur downfall.

But is that force measured at the atomic level or quark?

Still here, even after all this time!

I never had any lag on Freedom Since !17 launch and Friends today decided to do a Marathon of TF to Positron to Citadel. Every time someone use a AOE or PbAOE i would Free up for a couple of minute. Then I was Crashing half the night alway, Every couple Minute, plez tell me this stuff will Stop or do i need a new Graphic Card to play the game with out Ultra Mode Being used.

I'm typically not a doom crier, but I actually have to agree that there are some performance hits that make me scratch my head. I'm currently running a GTX 285, which ought to be a pretty good card, and my system is more than up to date, yet every time I turn dynamic shadows on, my framerate takes a nosedive. Maybe I'm too picky about my preferences, such as wanting 60FPS, or maybe antialising is screwing with me, but I've had to keep shadows off or risk punching my monitor.

And yet I STILL get performance hits from the usual suspects - looking across Port Oaks, in the old town of Cap Au Diable, that specific "evil spot" in grandville that drops me down 30-40 FPS if I stand in the right spot and look in a very specific direction. We're due for more optimization, I guess.

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Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

I've got a whole saga written about the Shadow Map performance bugs.

Well, the power customization database records appear to have been lost or corrupted; the market is offline, and I have some video lag despite not using the new settings (at least, that I am aware of), and there are a few other issues noted so far. So I'd say it's a fairly buggy issue, but maybe not the worst.

Even before I17, there were lag spots. The problem with the infamous statue of Recluse is not the statue, but the animated screens all around the area. There are drawn and animated even when behind other geometry.

And that's one of the biggest problems for fps hits in the game, and was made even more problematic with dynamic shadows. If the computer is still drawing complex polygons that are out of sight and hidden by some other geometry, then it gets worse if it's drawing dynamic shadows that are out of sight.

All during Closed and Open Beta, we've been reporting those fps black holes, and many of them got fixed. E.g., the torches in the entrance-cave of Cimerora was a huge fps black hole -- there was something about those animations which killed fps. The odd thing was that you could go to the edge of the map, turn around and face where the cave is, and even though it was hidden by the geometry of the hills, you still took the huge fps hit. The game was drawing and animating that cave and its contents far away and out of sight.

That's been fixed.

Another big fps hit is looking down towards one of the under-zone rooms, such as the hospital or the inside of Paragon Town Hall. It seems the ground wasn't opaque enough, and was still tracking what was happening hundreds of yards under the zone.

There are other hot spots like that, especially looking into the heart of a city zone... all the buildings supposedly obscured are being rendered, and we know that CoV was built with very 'transparent' buildings. Dynamic shadows makes that more complicated.

The Devs are working on making that geometry more opaque, but it will take time.

The best way to keep dynamic shadow but avoid those fps hot spots is to make sure your world detail doesn't go about 100%. Only top end GPUs can handle 200% with dynamic shadows and keep fps over 40. I have a 5870, the top end for ATI, and when I put world detail up to 400% (/visscale 4.0), my fps goes down to 20 fps.

Which brings me to another point that bears repeating: There is no GPU out on the market right now that will allow anyone to turn everything up to max (including 400% world scale) and be at 60 fps. Just ain't happening.

Ultra Mode is enabled for the *next* generation of GPUs to max out. This current batch can't handle it (until SLI or Crossfire is fully enabled). Everyone has to chose which features to dial back for acceptable fps.

you say that but gtx470 IS next generation first of nvidias cards and coh is a old game which is where the issue lies.Imagine if you will that coh ran on dx9 10 or 11 i bet the lag issues would vanish.
I can play crysis maxed out for example no issues

Lag has been crazy, a lot of the time I find myself just running/spinning in place on my older rig. Never had anything like it prior to Issue 17.

Zloth has just updated CohHelper for UM compliance. Throw one of those reports with a HiJackThis in a new thread in Tech and we'll see if we can tune your rig.

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Windows Vista (64 bit), 8GB RAM, AMD Phenom X4 9750 Quad Core, NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GS

Shadow Mode: Shadow Maps
Shadow Map Shader: Low
Environment Reflections: Medium
Water Effects: Medium
Ambient Occlusion: Performance

No lag.

I clicked the "enable Ultra mode" button when given the option.

I'm guessing it set everything to the max that my game computer can handle.

I've experience lag on one mission. Kept jumping back. No idea why. It went away after abit.

Other than that, the same old thing that caused lag (lag valley in the ITF) is about the only lag Ive gotten.

If I recall, all my ultra mode settings are set to max except 1, which is two notches down if I recall, and one isnt set...needs catalyst 2.something or other I think it was called (Id have to go back in game and check...says your video card MUST have this to work or something).