Devs and CoV:Discuss
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Aluminum_Dave,
Posted on: 2010-04-09 17:32 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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"that other MMO"?|
Originally Posted by Myriad
My opinion? I think CoV was a mistake on several levels.
I don't think it's a good idea to divide your own playerbase into two opposing factions if you don't have as many players as that other MMO. |
If you're referring to WoW, there are COUNTRIES with smaller populations. Comparing ANY other MMO to WoW is absurd.
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Let me get a little silly here
My idea of a Super Hero vs Super Villain game would go like this
When you created a Hero, you would get NPC friends and family to act as contacts. Giving you missions either PvE or Rescue Missions, which would lead to PvP
When you created a Villain, you would get a chance to select a Hero to become the nemesis of. Your contacts would either give you PvE missions or Kidnap Missions, which would lead into the PvP scenarios. You'd kidnap your nemeses friend or family member, after a friendly attack on the Hero to make your intentions clear, and try to make their Heroic life miserable. If you don't want a nemesis, you just flag yourself 'No PvP' and consign yourself to the PvE game
This way you would have 1 city with 2 factions and consensual only PvP. It might frustrate the 'Gankster' crowd, but it might be more enjoyable than what Villains have now
There is no such thing as an "innocent bystander"
Redside is a bit dreary, but it didn't have to be. Here's a pic from Tron Legacy that shows how something sleek and sexy can still look very dark:
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Something like this would have been much cooler than all the brick, rust, and litter. (I have seen later zones, but they're still not much better).
I'm not keen on the villain powersets either. I've only had two villains - a level 30 rad/rad corruptor, and a level 15 necro/dark mastermind. I got bored of the mastermind because I wanted to do my killing personally - letting something else do it seems wrong. :P
I was only training the corruptor to try out the epics, but with issue 17 lowering the level requirement, I won't have to bother with with more levelling if I don't want to.
I'm looking forward to Going Rogue a lot, and I don't see myself using redside much after it comes out. I like the idea of playing a villain, but if I want to roleplay a "baddie" I think I'll just make Praetoria my home. Rogues would be easier to play as I can send them blueside with the rest of my characters.
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JJ's cool, he's just passionate. No need to generalize from one dude is there? On the other hand, I notice there's this "stop being a pu**y and play redside!" attitude on the forums, but just take it as funny because it's not tougher or anything, which you probably already know.
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
There you have it. One more reason not to play redside. Mind you, i know enough to realize JJ is not in fact typical of redside players, so i play redside anyway, but JJ is the sort of person some stereotype as being the sort of person who plays redside, not realizing that just like blueside only some players are petty, juvenile, narcissistic jackholes.
   (i suppose i should say the attitude JJ affects in his post. He amused me, but his post did fit the stereotype of a redside jerkhacker.) |
so far the main topic is...it looks abit dark.....but its enviroment is impressive compared to heroes...its all..it all looks the same to mean..buildings there..buildings there...zomg..buildings there 2
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Yes. Even though you dont see them do it (err... fully...) they still do it and it's pretty evil.
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Originally Posted by Warkupo
Hell, I consider CoV and CoH's villains possibly more evil because of all the *implied* atrocities they commit.
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Well, that's to keep the T rating |
Originally Posted by Jbot
Yes. Even though you dont see them do it (err... fully...) they still do it and it's pretty evil.
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Plus, it lets players imagine the things being doen are even worse, if they want to.
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Alas, red side whiners don't count co-op content or content that everyone gets (like MA) as "real" villain content.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Well, co-op is actually the best option time and effort wise - co-op content can be played by everyone.
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Maybe the RWZ missions where you help Longbow kinda put them off? |
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
Alas, red side whiners don't count co-op content or content that everyone gets (like MA) as "real" villain content.
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@Golden Girl
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That's incorrect. There is no content which cannot be played by any player. COV and COX are fully available to every player.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Well, co-op is actually the best option time and effort wise - co-op content can be played by everyone.
Next comes blue content, which can be played by the majority of the players, and last comes red content, which can be played by a minority of players. So the best use of development resources is to make co-op content, followed by blue content, with red content the least useful option. Of coruse, they still make red stuff, but I really don't think they're ever going to spend as much time on that as blue and co-op stuff. |
Blueside content isn't locked from a player...it's locked from a character. Same with Redside content.
Co-op content may be lauded as the 'ultimate answer', but it really is just hero content. There isn't any question that you're doing something heroic nor even any hard choices to make which might be considered walking a fine line. Your villains are treated like long time pals by known hero characters, instead of being seen as unreliable, but necessary allies to the 'good' forces.
Co-op content isn't content for everyone...it's good content that villains can happen to play. Otherwise you certainly wouldn't play it. Since you get weak in knees at the mere thought of skirting the law.
It makes me wonder why the devs would even think that would be perfectly satisfying to a player who took the time to create an evil-themed character.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Well, that's to keep the T rating
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I'll e/pushup on any defeated longbow i want to, tyvm lol
even e/pushup'd recluse himself before after making him my ******
now THAT's villainous!
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And slightly disturbing...
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Originally Posted by beyeajus
I'll e/pushup on any defeated longbow i want to, tyvm lol
even e/pushup'd recluse himself before after making him my ****** now THAT's villainous! |
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Oh ye hothouse flowers with little exposure to what's outside the walled garden... |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
The only dates Villains ever end up with are court appearances and parole hearings
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You've been so consistent with your "i know almost nothing about the larger outside world and am doing my best to stay that way" schtick in multiple forums and threads that i'm actually starting to believe you're serious. 
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Originally Posted by Warkupo
It's a very viscous cycle isn't it? The good gets better because it's better, and the less gets worser (it's a word when I use it) because it's worse.
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Originally Posted by beyeajus
JJ's cool, he's just passionate. No need to generalize from one dude is there? On the other hand, I notice there's this "stop being a pu**y and play redside!" attitude on the forums, but just take it as funny because it's not tougher or anything, which you probably already know.
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Actually, I know lots about it - that's why I know there are some things that should be avoided |
Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Oh ye hothouse flowers with little exposure to what's outside the walled garden...
You've been so consistent with your "i know almost nothing about the larger outside world and am doing my best to stay that way" schtick in multiple forums and threads that i'm actually starting to believe you're serious. |
@Golden Girl
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Obvious question time: how do you know such things? Being an outside observer doesn't count.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Actually, I know lots about it - that's why I know there are some things that should be avoided
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In other words, don't knock amoral killing 'till you've tried it.
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Some things you just know are wrong |
Originally Posted by Morac_Ex_Machina
Obvious question time: how do you know such things? Being an outside observer doesn't count.
In other words, don't knock amoral killing 'till you've tried it. |
@Golden Girl
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I disagree. I think you will find many other people who do as well. Like the entire scientific community, for example.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Some things you just know are wrong
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Trust the computer. The computer knows all.
^ And the cycle begins anew. Oh, but YOU will be the one to convince her this time.
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Oog, you're right. I think I'm just going to go find a brick wall to slam my face into repeatedly instead. It will be a much more pleasant experience, I suspect.
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Originally Posted by Primal
^ And the cycle begins anew. Oh, but YOU will be the one to convince her this time.
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Certainly more productive.|
Originally Posted by Morac_Ex_Machina
Oog, you're right. I think I'm just going to go find a brick wall to slam my face into repeatedly instead. It will be a much more pleasant experience, I suspect.
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Mean thread tags are mean.
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Frustrated forum users are frustrated.
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Originally Posted by Newbunkle
Mean thread tags are mean.
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How about the fact that Facemaker chops people up to make costumes? Yup, your flashy villain is wearing sliced dead people. That's villainous!|
Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Yeah, chopping up civilians to make fleshbots is benign. And that's just the level 1 NPCs!
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Villain: "See this nice new leather outfit I've got?"
Hero: "Yeah?"
Villain: "Seen your Mom recently?"
Hero:" No..."
Villain: "Well, actually you have..."
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