Devs and CoV:Discuss

Originally Posted by newchemicals

I am considering taking most of my villains blueside and invade Paragon. I am sure there are players who don't want to see the streets of Paragon full of Masterminds with all their pets lagging Ultra Mode.

Originally Posted by Golden Girl

Not the devs, that's for sure

Originally Posted by newchemicals

I am considering taking most of my villains blueside and invade Paragon. I am sure there are players who don't want to see the streets of Paragon full of Masterminds with all their pets lagging Ultra Mode.

Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake

i did mention the larping aspect redside exclusive players tend towards, it really gets pretty surreal at times.

Originally Posted by JJDrakken

Biggest things I hear, (which WAH to to them)

Its to dark & bleak(ORLY? Its an oppressed area, its not suppose to be sunshine & happy puppys). Lord Recluse doesnt go out of his way to polish this up, like Tyrant does, its the whole Survival of the Fittest rule on the Isles.

Its to Hard(Go back to blue stop whining you sissies or hang out with my crew & we'll teach how to actually play Redside! )

The Market(Well cuz you sissies wont actually play over here)

The Dev's Hate Redside(Could be, but man up, stop being a sissy)

In my opinion, biggest thing G.R. will do, allow the sissy Bluesiders to take our classes & still play on "yawn" blueside. Which then could reduce population more on redside & of course worsen the market even more.

JJ

Originally Posted by beyeajus

LOL smart-alec Bluesider

Originally Posted by JJDrakken

Biggest things I hear, (which WAH to to them)

Its to dark & bleak(ORLY? Its an oppressed area, its not suppose to be sunshine & happy puppys). Lord Recluse doesnt go out of his way to polish this up, like Tyrant does, its the whole Survival of the Fittest rule on the Isles.

Its to Hard(Go back to blue stop whining you sissies or hang out with my crew & we'll teach how to actually play Redside! )

The Market(Well cuz you sissies wont actually play over here)

The Dev's Hate Redside(Could be, but man up, stop being a sissy)

In my opinion, biggest thing G.R. will do, allow the sissy Bluesiders to take our classes & still play on "yawn" blueside. Which then could reduce population more on redside & of course worsen the market even more.

JJ

Originally Posted by Nethergoat

it's nothing personal against villains, but resources will mostly flow to where the population is, and that's blue side.

Originally Posted by Golden Girl

Well, co-op is actually the best option time and effort wise - co-op content can be played by everyone.
Next comes blue content, which can be played by the majority of the players, and last comes red content, which can be played by a minority of players.
So the best use of development resources is to make co-op content, followed by blue content, with red content the least useful option.
Of coruse, they still make red stuff, but I really don't think they're ever going to spend as much time on that as blue and co-op stuff.

Originally Posted by Aluminum_Dave

This is the main reason that Red side rarely(if ever) gets any new content. Everytime the conversation about it comes up the blueside only crowds starts crying about Co-Op this and Co-op that with lots of arguements that boil down to "well, if they are going to get stuff redside we HAVE to get stuff blueside too".

Maybe if Heroes were not so selfish we wouldn't have a problem.

Originally Posted by Golden Girl

Blue side - it's the smart choice

Originally Posted by beyeajus

So will you be taking a trip to the RI, GG, when GR comes? It would be like exploring two brand new sides for you, wouldn't it?

Originally Posted by Golden Girl

It's the Villains being selfish, wanting exclusive stuff instead of helping Heroes for the common good

Originally Posted by NightErrant

..."Larping"?

...Doesn't Larping imply "Live Action" Roleplay?

Originally Posted by Golden Girl

You know, that's not really helping to sell the red side experience at all

Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake

funny thing is, ingame everyone i have teamed with who played redside was quite fun and not a evil-larper, it is just on the forums...you really do need to try redside, it is fun. plus you can whomp new demons, heroes dont get succubi, hellfrosts and lashers,(outside of ae, and thats just a superhero arcade) think of the variety!!

Originally Posted by Golden Girl

You've seen one demon, you've seen them all

Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake

my dating history is not relevant here.

Originally Posted by Myriad

My opinion? I think CoV was a mistake on several levels.

I don't think it's a good idea to divide your own playerbase into two opposing factions if you don't have as many players as that other MMO. By making 30-50% of the playerbase „invisible“ to each other you lessen the chance of finding other players to team with and you make it appear as if you have a much smaller playerbase than you actually have, which is bad PR.

Having two exclusive sides means you have to develop for each side. Anything you'll add to just one side of the game can only be experienced by a fraction of the playerbase. Thus you increase development costs and risk alienating the fraction of the playerbase that thinks it got less - „Devs hate Villains.“

The design of CoV is inherently flawed. The promise is, that you may play a villain. But the truth is, that it's only CoH painted red. The fundamental problem is in the basic motivation of heroes and villains. A villain is striving for change. The villain wants to accumulate power and ultimately wants to rule the world or something along these lines. Whereas the hero is fighting to preserve. Stability works well for a MMO, change doesn't. Actually I don't think it's possible for a teen rated PvE MMO like CoX to really have true villains. Even the villain NPCs in CoX are quite benign.

There is more. Problems with the ingame economy, artificial limits in co-op play (actually co-op play was a first step to bring the sides back together, GR seems to be the next step), balancing issues and maybe some other things.

Sure, CoV added some nice stuff. But I believe it would have been better to add it as an open expansion to CoH instead of treating it almost like a separate game.

Originally Posted by Golden Girl

Well, co-op is actually the best option time and effort wise - co-op content can be played by everyone.
Next comes blue content, which can be played by the majority of the players, and last comes red content, which can be played by a minority of players.
So the best use of development resources is to make co-op content, followed by blue content, with red content the least useful option.
Of coruse, they still make red stuff, but I really don't think they're ever going to spend as much time on that as blue and co-op stuff.

Originally Posted by Myriad

Actually I don't think it's possible for a teen rated PvE MMO like CoX to really have true villains. Even the villain NPCs in CoX are quite benign.

Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper

Yeah, chopping up civilians to make fleshbots is benign. And that's just the level 1 NPCs!

Originally Posted by Golden Girl

I can visit it via the AE, and some blue missions - I think I've seen most of the quaint tourist attractions there, and taken plenty of pictures - so there's no need to actually go live there