Store Assets or Liquidate?


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I don't have a character that I currently have any interest in rebuilding to include purple sets...however, over the course of the past few weeks I've amassed a sizable collection of purple recipes (around 20 or so).

Is there more value in trying to sell these recipes at a premium price or do you believe there will be more value in holding on to them?


 

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well if you hold on to them and decide to use them for a future toon, you would save yourself a HUGE amount of inf of buying the recipies

on the other hand, if you dont plan on ever using them, you could still make a HUGE amount of inf to spend on other venues

basically a win-win situation (although one option is a late bloomer)


 

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If you don't want to purple a toon, do you need the Influence you'd get from unloading all that you have? I would presume you don't.

So I vote hold on to them, let them pile up then someday you'll have tons of them at just the right moment when you want to purple another toon.

...or just give them to me =)


 

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as there is no telling what kind of market hijinks the devs will think up next, I prefer to keep my assets liquid for flexibility.

I remember when people bragged about their vast stores of super valuable Rare Arcane Salvage.....heh.

The same sort of devaluation can hit anything in the game at a dev's whim.

Inf isn't exactly rock solid itself, but it's more stable than anything else we can get hold of.


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Originally Posted by Nethergoat View Post
as there is no telling what kind of market hijinks the devs will think up next, I prefer to keep my assets liquid for flexibility.

I remember when people bragged about their vast stores of super valuable Rare Arcane Salvage.....heh.

The same sort of devaluation can hit anything in the game at a dev's whim.

Inf isn't exactly rock solid itself, but it's more stable than anything else we can get hold of.
I agree with this.

Plus I anticipate something significant happening to the markets come going rogue. So I'm keeping everything as inf.


 

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as there is no telling what kind of market hijinks the devs will think up next, I prefer to keep my assets liquid for flexibility.

I remember when people bragged about their vast stores of super valuable Rare Arcane Salvage.....heh.

The same sort of devaluation can hit anything in the game at a dev's whim.

Inf isn't exactly rock solid itself, but it's more stable than anything else we can get hold of.
I agree to a certain extent, but it seems there is Inf inflation - recipes that used to sell in the 10s of millions are now in the hundreds of millions. Are those recipes that much more valuable/in demand, or has the value of influence been watered down? I guess that's my big question.


 

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recipes that used to sell in the 10s of millions are now in the hundreds of millions.
... would those be Crushing Impacts, Devastations, or Steadfast/Karma -KB's? Because those have all dropped in price dramatically from their highs.

I think the money's mostly moving into the very-high-end stuff. There's probably some overall inflation (I think if you picked six items at random the average "last five price" has doubled over the past year) but it's been very much more dramatic in, for instance, purple recipes and respecs than it has been in level 35 generics.


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I'd say that, as long as current conditions remain the same, Purple prices (especially the most desired ones) will continue to go up, due to influence inflation.

Conditions are subject to change, as others have pointed out. But people were predicting prices on purples to fall with the introduction of mission settings, and that hasn't happened. Instead it's become easier for people to get influence at level 50, so prices have only gone up further. In the short term, at least, I'd think that holding onto them is a very good option.



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... would those be Crushing Impacts, Devastations, or Steadfast/Karma -KB's? Because those have all dropped in price dramatically from their highs.

I think the money's mostly moving into the very-high-end stuff. There's probably some overall inflation (I think if you picked six items at random the average "last five price" has doubled over the past year) but it's been very much more dramatic in, for instance, purple recipes and respecs than it has been in level 35 generics.
Nah, I'm referring to some purple recipes that began in the area of 20 - 30 million and go for 10x that today. Other recipes, outside of certain uniques and hard to gets have seen some inflation, but not nearly the same amount...seemingly.


 

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I keep at least a billion on each toon I market with. Once that toon hits the cap, I transfer a billion to another toon and start over. It might not be the most efficient way to do things, but its safe for a casual marketer such as myself.

Learned that the hard way when the IO I was working dived and I had stock left over. Eventually sold it without a loss, but crap it took awhile.


 

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Also with GR we're getting "Global enhancements". It is unknown if such things could be traded, but if so, i would presume that they'd be the next big sellers if they're going to be as difficult to get as the Devs have intoned. Also, with people muling items between sides, prices may drop redside and become further stabalized blueside, which means you may want to sell now if anything.


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until AE produces purples or gets totally nerfed, prices will keep going up for them. so, if you plan to ever use them, it is probably wise to keep them unless you need that revenue to kickstart some marketeering scheme that will net you more than you would save by keeping them.


 

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I agree to a certain extent, but it seems there is Inf inflation - recipes that used to sell in the 10s of millions are now in the hundreds of millions. Are those recipes that much more valuable/in demand, or has the value of influence been watered down? I guess that's my big question.

For every recipe that has soared in value another had plummeted.

If you think the stuff you're holding will appreciate, or at least hold value, it would make sense to keep it.

Of course, you might guess wrong and end up taking a bath.

I personally prefer the (relative) stability, portability and convinience of inf.

Probably no big deal either way, inf flowing as it does like water.


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until AE produces purples or gets totally nerfed, prices will keep going up for them. so, if you plan to ever use them, it is probably wise to keep them unless you need that revenue to kickstart some marketeering scheme that will net you more than you would save by keeping them.

well, except that GR is going to pull EVERYONE out of MA for a good while, and the new 'global enhancements' are an unknown quantity that may supplant some of the demand for purples.

If I were going to place a bet, purple prices are going to crater (relatively speaking) following the release of GR. When, if, and how strongly they rebound will depend on factors we aren't aware of at this time.


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I know the global enchancement idea was part of that marketing survey, but have they been confirmed for GR?

Edit - to answer the purple question, my recollection is that they drop from any mob that could drop a lvl 50 item. So, I think it is lvl 47+.


 

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Is there more value in trying to sell these recipes at a premium price or do you believe there will be more value in holding on to them?
I'd hold them. Over time, the value of inf has tended to fall compared to the value of actual recipes and enhancements. If you sell them, you'll pay more if you want them back. The only sure things you can get with inf are what it buys at the in game stores.

Also, over the next several months it looks like more low level characters will be played compared to level 50s. Fewer purples will be brought to market in the short term.



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I know the global enchancement idea was part of that marketing survey, but have they been confirmed for GR?
No. It has been stated that there will be new methods for improving level 50 characters and global enhancements are the suggestion that seems to be leading the forum pool but there hasn't been any official dev announcements.


 

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I agree to a certain extent, but it seems there is Inf inflation - recipes that used to sell in the 10s of millions are now in the hundreds of millions.
Sure, but if the devs decide to do something about it, your wealth takes a big hit.
If you're thinking about this as an investment - since you can't tell what's going to happen next, sell half.


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Originally Posted by Nethergoat View Post
as there is no telling what kind of market hijinks the devs will think up next, I prefer to keep my assets liquid for flexibility.

I remember when people bragged about their vast stores of super valuable Rare Arcane Salvage.....heh.

The same sort of devaluation can hit anything in the game at a dev's whim.

Inf isn't exactly rock solid itself, but it's more stable than anything else we can get hold of.
This. I used to have a big stockpile of purples and other assorted shiny stuff but I've been whittling it down by either slotting stuff or selling stuff.

Slotted IOs are far more valuable to me than IOs sitting in a bin, and inf I can spend on whatever I need.


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If learned anything from those economists who studied Everquest, it is that you should always keep your assets invested.

while I don't necessarily mean they should be in purples, but the fact is this: an apoc will always be worth more than a devastation. an absolute amazement will always be worth more than a stupefy.

for a long time i used to keep my infamy/influence in cash form. it was good. i was well off. but for the past few months i've been keeping everything in IO form; it basically keeps me equipped to react to price spikes almost instantly. my "IO'd-out toon" count-rate has since gone up a whole lot.

i'd rather be indexed to the market and safe, than just make a bet on deflation (which is doubtful if GR doesn't come in soon enough, ie there are no changes in i17 that would precipitate deflation of anything besides maybe crafted vs. uncrafted items).


 

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Originally Posted by SoilentGreen View Post
I don't have a character that I currently have any interest in rebuilding to include purple sets...however, over the course of the past few weeks I've amassed a sizable collection of purple recipes (around 20 or so).

Is there more value in trying to sell these recipes at a premium price or do you believe there will be more value in holding on to them?
I have been hanging on to about 15-18 puprles red side for months, for no particular reason other than I just have not gotten around to putting them on the market. I purchased most of them for about 30-40 million on bids that I had outstanding that I was using to hold funds.

I dont plan on purpling out any toons and in fact I only have one set and its in Blizzard for my main TF runner.

I have watching the prices soar as high as the 750 million dollar range and drop back down to around 300 million or so where some of them sit.

Since i dont need the funds, i just keep them. What you do depends on your long term plans...

either way you cant really go wrong


 

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Just something to think about before taking financial advice

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=196176

The above is a thread from October speaking of both the perfect time to buy purples and the perfect time to sell purples, because of price rises coming and the immediate crash of purples, respectively. Oddly enough prices are pretty much where they were then, with small variances in both directions.


 

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I've settled into a pattern where I keep a mix of things. This allows me strong flexibility to react to whatever is going on, operating under the assumption that I would not throw all of my wealth into any one event. Instead, I can throw a maximum of whatever wealth storage medium is the best/fastest for any given reaction.

If I save up a bunch of inf, I can spend it on the spot to react to a perceived bargain. If I save up a bunch of purples, I can sell them in response to bid price increases. If I save up a bunch of merits, I can convert them into whatever merit-obtainable IO happens punch up above the usual inf/merit value.

Note that I don't consider this to be some wonderful wealth optimization technique. It works for me because it's simple. A more aggressive strategy would likely net me more wealth, but I like this approach because I don't have to think particularly hard about the forward planning a more aggressive approach requires.


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