Are we hated?

Nothings more wickedly delightful than a full team of MMs running on the highest difficulty. It's insanely fun, if your graphics card can handle it. As far as "not buffing teamates goes". I don't view the pets as separate from the MM, the pet and the MMs are one being, one unit as it were. I buff my pets, because much like a tanker,scrapper, or brute, my buffs are "Self buffs". Tougher Pets = Tougher MM.

OOooo I just read an above post about stalkers that made me mad...*sigh* I will ignore it.

When I'm on redside, you'd never see me turn away a MM.

Pets and debuff/buff secondary? Why would I turn that down to team with?

This is directed toward the OP: You can't let a few idiots ruin your fun time with masterminds. In my eyes, its easier to run into a bad mastermind compared to a bad brute...so immediately, alot of peeps lablel masterminds as crap. Obsolete, my bots/traps, prefers soloing...I think I've ran into far too many teams where I feel like I'm being 'babysat' to make sure my pets don't obtain any unwanted aggroe...which is stupid because A) I'm properly binded and B) If I do obtain any additional aggroe, I can handle it myself.

I think mainly, I'm tired of trying to meet people's expectations. I'm capable of doing it, I don't need to be tested or observed or ordered to make sure I'm not a dribbling bafoon. But thats what makes me happy about red side, everything has the capability of soloing!

I'm probably one of those 'bad' MMs.

I have my pet binds set up to mirror the WoW hunter pet commmands (ctrl+1 = passive attack my target, for when you want one specific target dead or distracted but don't want to aggro a nearby mob, Ctrl+2 = aggressive attack my target for when I cut the bots loose. Ctrl+3 = Bodyguard mode, which is default mode) so I don't command pets individually but treat them as a singular entity since that's what I'm use to.

Pets only get resummoned when I'm down to one of that pet (for tier 1s) or completely wiped out (for tier 2 and 3). Having taunt, pets softcapped defenses to all, my own defenses softcapped to all and bodyguard mode makes for a mean secondary tank though.

Never had any complaints so far about me though.

People only hate Masterminds because they're jealous of us.

Honestly I don't get the problem, with tankers I have problems with tankers that can not handle their aggro control, I absolutely despise tankers and brutes that do not spend power slots on taunts. A tanker/brute without all the proper taunts and CC abilities of their secondary is a low damage scrapper at best. Its these no taunt tanks that have the problem with MM's and even blasters.

On the ITF lots of bots can be a problem with the generals if your trying to use the hunt and pull method to get them to you but in the Recluse TF MM are a god send the right secondary and your talking cc and damage out put...even some nice healing or debuffs.

Any tanker or brute that has a problem with MM is probably covering for the fact they dont have taunts. Sorry even if the mob gets KB's all you have to do is wait for it to run by you after the bot or MM and taunt and they run back to you. Simple. Substandard tankers and brutes will whine about anything from too much damage from blasters to KB from MM's...

Just my personal feeling on this.

i glanced at the thread, and read over most of it.

hated? when the game first came out, absolutely. now, not so much.

after playing alot of each at to level 50, i look at the game not the AT. and how a team can mesh, and still have fun.


This is how i play mine but mine is melee, I provoke/taunt bot alot. i view pets as a hit point increase or dull pain, and tier one damage as mostly not that useful in a team. Every other classes tier one damage power is better damage the a tier one pets, and not a level lower or two.

Then the other thing i do, on a big team, I only summon what i need, so if we have a brute, i summon my tier two and tier three. Or if on a brute heavy team, only a tier three, and focus on team buffing. On a corr/dom/stalker team, i use more pets. The brutes get their fury, the corrs get theirs and the stalkers can as, and scrap some. Me with less pets, increases the spawn size, and makes the other players, you know, have to play (heal kill debuff etc). But as team mate it is no fun to basically be marginalized by one player on a team ie the MM, and be all cramped up, so i let the team enjoy themselves, and i focus on what i am doing, which is controlling my upper tier pets.

I can always summon and save the day. When i start summoning to increase my hit points basically, as things go south, it is just plain crazy fun because people are dieing and flying around, running lol.....it just ads to the choas or a sticky situation. But it makes surviving it cool, to go from "ok"....to "power house" on the fly and save the teams collective butts...

If we have something that will hurt us like an av, i summon up and do all the upgrades. etc. Basically i buff up, just like inspirations and what not.

Teams seem to understand how i do intrinsically, and don't mind it all. we go from no pets, to lots of pets if a pull goes bad, etc...then if the pets are not needed,very few pets. I go back to my default for the team (only tier twos/tier three or combination of those two). The team seems to just get it. I never have problems teaming once i am on a team, or after i start a team.

Not real complicated, and other players appreciate it. They know at any given time, i can "buff up" if things go south.

Well firestorm, I've also encountered one team where they demanded I didn't summon any pets. I agreed, although I did explain that they were removing me from the damage dealing capabilities entirely. They said they just wanted my debuffs and heals. Mind you, I was on a ninja/poison. Half way through the mission I got the boot. When I asked, the leader said it was because I wasn't contributing to the team's xp/second speed.

Er, excuse me? They wanted me to contribute to how fast they get xp... but don't want me doing damage?! I don't get it.

I believe the stories I'm reading, on the whole, but I still have trouble relating to them because I've never encountered anything similar.

I can't help but wonder in what parts of the game MM hate shows up, when it shows up. If it shows up in farms or highly structured TFs/SFs (MoITF, STF, ...), perhaps that could explain it, as I spend no time in farms and little time in the highly structured TFs/SFs. I've never see MM hate in standard "leveling up" content, though.

It's very subtle actually. You'll notice it as you get fewer and fewer team invites the higher you get in level. Even when there are dozens of team LFM messages being posted. In Mercy and Port Oaks it's non-existant. It I find starts to from in Cap Au Diablo. By the time you reach Nerva teams almost entirely dry up for masterminds usually. The exception seems to be if your a /thermal or /pain mastermind.