Access to Ultramode Closed Beta
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Posted on: 2010-03-03 15:44 in The Global Training Room Test Server
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I see this kind of post a lot on forums. This is a player forum. Devs and other rednames can post here, but answers from other players are what you're going to get. Unfortunately, that will not give you the answers you want (as opposed to the answers you've already gotten - many of them quite good). People who have been here for a long time and seen many new issues have given you the answer. The devs are not going to tell you who will be in this closed beta nor are they going to tell you how long each "wave" is going to last.|
Originally Posted by Oubliette
I keep shooting for a miracle here in the asking, but, regardless of all these wild speculations and damning opinionated mumbo-jumbo, the topic at hand is still:
This --> Seeking developer confirmation (one way or another)OR a link to a quote from a developer concerning the current incarnation of the closed beta and the specifics of who will be participating in said incarnation of the current closed beta. A time-frame would also be helpful (e.g. if there are stages such as: In House> Devs and Family> Vets> etc.) Not This--> What you think about the closed beta. (Speculation) Not This--> Who you think will or wont be in said closed beta. (Wild Speculation) Not This--> Intimations that other people need to "calm down" because they're not in the beta. (Inflammatory) Please, help this stay on topic. Thank you. |
For the most part, people HAVE been keeping this thread on topic... The topic is "Access to Ultramode Closed Beta".
If you want a ONLY redname answer, send a PM to a redname. Post on the forums, and you're going to get player answers.
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Originally Posted by PerfectStorm
I see this kind of post a lot on forums. This is a player forum. Devs and other rednames can post here, but answers from other players are what you're going to get. Unfortunately, that will not give you the answers you want (as opposed to the answers you've already gotten - many of them quite good). People who have been here for a long time and seen many new issues have given you the answer. The devs are not going to tell you who will be in this closed beta nor are they going to tell you how long each "wave" is going to last.
For the most part, people HAVE been keeping this thread on topic... The topic is "Access to Ultramode Closed Beta". If you want a ONLY redname answer, send a PM to a redname. Post on the forums, and you're going to get player answers. Storm |
Give them back lol... So in other words you can ask this question as many times as you want and you will not get the answer you desire, although the answer you will get is truthful. Experienced players have told you how it works yet you will not listen cause they don't have a redname. I agree that you should PM a redname if it is so important to you. If they don't answer how you like, or if they don't answer at all, then NO ONE WILL. Not everything we've said has been speculation. Especially not the cold hard facts that this is not GR beta so the Loyalty Program does not apply. You can bank on that. We have already provided proof of that with links. Sorry Oubliette, but if you want official answers then ask the officials.
I know a lot of what was said above was said by Perfect Storm but it ain't getting through your head so there it is again. lol
P.S. I have not had a lot of posts, but I have been a reader for awhile now. So don't let that throw you off. Some of my info is actually valid
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I ask for hard facts, and what I'm getting is mainly insulting diatribes on what I should or should not expect. Uncalled for.
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Originally Posted by ZanderCross
I know a lot of what was said above was said by Perfect Storm but it ain't getting through your head so there it is again. lol
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Ok so I'm a troll because I tried to help you understand and so has everyone else on here. Is your definition of a troll anyone that doesn't have a REDNAME posting on your thread? Trolls don't give valid information. They just try to start fights. |
Originally Posted by Oubliette
Gee, since you put it that way, it all makes sense.
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What makes you so special that they would take time out of their busy schedules to just answer your thread? With all the people that have valid questions and truly don't have anyone to help them why would they help you? I would rather they work on the game than to waste time with you and your questions that already have answers from people experienced with the game. Everyone on here has tried to explain to you what is going on, but you aren't listening.
I'm starting to wonder if you've just been trolling all along... You aren't going to get what you want so keep posting if you want. All CB's participants are picked by the Devs minus the GR one or unless they announce otherwise. They have not announced otherwise and this isn't GR so... GET OVER IT AND PLAY THE GAME THAT YOU PAY TO PLAY! You will not find out otherwise! Have a good time looking for something you won't find! I'm done trying to make you see the truth and I hope no one else on here trys either. Your logic is ridiculous.
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The Devs have never said who is going to be in Closed Betas, with two exceptions;
Going Rogue. Its a big thing, so they are fully vindicated here.
Issue...14? 15? The one where it was basically one long Open Beta.
They have never announced specifically because they dont want hoards of people going 'Waaaah why I no in closed beta?!1' etc. And I dont see that changing anytime soon.
Based on observation, though, Issue CB is usually a few members who do a LOT of testing and number crunching, time and again, and then a random mix of people with different rigs, different playstles and goals, that sort of thing.
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ah, yes. sorry devs. |
Originally Posted by ZanderCross
Thanks for the clarification! Be careful mintmiki!
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def not bragging about access, more just grateful for the chance to continue playing in the future.
totally understand if i lose a spot in the next closed beta. big apologies all.
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Hard fact: The devs, with only the exceptions of the issue that was one big open beta and GR, have not, and will not, disclose the criteria they use to select participants in Closed Beta.|
Originally Posted by Oubliette
I ask for hard facts, and what I'm getting is mainly insulting diatribes on what I should or should not expect. Uncalled for.
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Asking will not get an answer, because the devs don't want the players to have the answer. Feel free to ask them, but I can guarantee you that the answer will be something along the lines of "Paragon Studios will not reveal the criteria for access to Closed Beta testing".
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Insulted because you lack the logic to understand the simple FACTS everyone keeps telling you. Go cry somewhere else about having your feelings hurt or being insulted. If you don't want answers, then don't ask questions. If you don't want insulted then don't act dumb like you don't understand what everyone is saying.|
Originally Posted by Oubliette
I ask for hard facts, and what I'm getting is mainly insulting diatribes on what I should or should not expect. Uncalled for.
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I love also how you edited this above post so it didn't have your original INSULT in it... Were you ashamed of yourself or something?
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Originally Posted by Oubliette
Gee, since you put it that way, it all makes sense.
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And that was only in that one post. I just got tired of your crap is all. I don't see how you can say that you are mainly getting insulting remarks when I was the only one that insulted you. You're the one that's making yourself look bad.
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I just wanted to mention one other possibly helpful fact.
Closed Betas generally have multiple stages. So "access to Closed Beta" is not limited to initial access.
This Issue has some rather serious and big changes (Think about how large the update is. The file size is not growing that much larger, it is replacing other files. Thus, the chance for bugs and mistakes is larger. Thus, it is best to move things very slowly and steadily before bringing in a larger number of people. Especially people who are not regular beta testers. I am pretty confident that, once they get these major modifications [Looking at Ultra Mode specifically] under control and in a stable place that they are happy enough with, more and more testers will be given access).
Closed Beta has multiple stages/waves itself, and it is likely in their best interest to greatly limit the flow of invitees for a while.
This is not as simple as inviting a large number of players to check out Dual Pistols.
There can (likely will be) many odd bugs and hiccups and things everyone involved (Including the eager hopeful testers yet to be invited) will want out of the way before having more people in there.
I understand you just want a red name to confirm things, but, as has been said, this is an open forum and I'm not derailing things by trying to just offer a bit of perspective, some thoughts and observations.
Even if you don't find it helpful, someone else might.
Also, for anyone who may be feeling a bit anxious to get in and check it out...
Just figure that until they invite you in, it's not ready for you to test yet.
Until it is, there's nothing to even think about on that.
Always has worked for me, at least.
Best of luck!!
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You're not going to get an answer. The Devs have never qualified this information, and they are unlikely to. Further, the Devs have also stated that it is perfectly acceptable to gently let people know when rampant speculation is doing more harm than good. You can keep arguing if you want if you don't like the answer...but this is the answer.
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Originally Posted by Oubliette
I keep shooting for a miracle here in the asking, but, regardless of all these wild speculations and damning opinionated mumbo-jumbo, the topic at hand is still:
This --> Seeking developer confirmation (one way or another)OR a link to a quote from a developer concerning the current incarnation of the closed beta and the specifics of who will be participating in said incarnation of the current closed beta. A time-frame would also be helpful (e.g. if there are stages such as: In House> Devs and Family> Vets> etc.) Not This--> What you think about the closed beta. (Speculation) Not This--> Who you think will or wont be in said closed beta. (Wild Speculation) Not This--> Intimations that other people need to "calm down" because they're not in the beta. (Inflammatory) Please, help this stay on topic. Thank you. |
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I'll just point out that it is against forum rules to call out the Devs. That is exactly what you are doing here.
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Originally Posted by Oubliette
I ask for hard facts, and what I'm getting is mainly insulting diatribes on what I should or should not expect. Uncalled for.
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The secret to the access to the Closed Beta is...
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I don't think they have ever said. Even for the very first beta of the game, they took great pains to say that anyone with an active forum account was eligable and that post count wouldn't buy you anything. These days it is anybody with a game account. The details of how they decide have always been kept private except for special promotions (like the Loyaltiy program and like pre-ordering the game back in the original beta).
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If it was clear that this current incarnation of the test server was closed to everyone, I wouldn't have asked because it contains significant parts of GR and therefore many people could wonder if the loyalty/hero-con/Vet status applied. That's not clear, no matter if some think it is as I've not seen any hard facts in quote, just opinions. I don't disagree with everyone's responses as rather good guesses, but some of the responses are just attempting to be rude. I can do without those. I'm content to wait for facts. When I see facts, one way or the other, my search will be over. Thanks.
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Uh, "significant parts"? That's unfounded speculation. Ultra Mode was originally slated to be part of Going Rogue, but got bumped up by popular demand. It's entirely possible that there are other parts of Going Rogue which were bumped into I17, but that's still more speculation. Since absolutely nothing was mentioned by members of the development team or community relations as to whether or not loyalty/hero-con/vet status applied, then it seems pretty obvious that this closed beta test would function pretty much like every other one (I15 excluded, it didn't have a closed beta). Since you're asking for a developer quote on beta invites, here's the only one I've found.|
Originally Posted by Oubliette
If it was clear that this current incarnation of the test server was closed to everyone, I wouldn't have asked because it contains significant parts of GR and therefore many people could wonder if the loyalty/hero-con/Vet status applied. That's not clear, no matter if some think it is as I've not seen any hard facts in quote, just opinions. I don't disagree with everyone's responses as rather good guesses, but some of the responses are just attempting to be rude. I can do without those. I'm content to wait for facts. When I see facts, one way or the other, my search will be over. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Oubliette
If it was clear that this current incarnation of the test server was closed to everyone, I wouldn't have asked because it contains significant parts of GR and therefore many people could wonder if the loyalty/hero-con/Vet status applied. That's not clear, no matter if some think it is as I've not seen any hard facts in quote, just opinions. I don't disagree with everyone's responses as rather good guesses, but some of the responses are just attempting to be rude. I can do without those. I'm content to wait for facts. When I see facts, one way or the other, my search will be over. Thanks.
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Really, there's only one feature of GR being tested now, Demon Summoning. UM, as has been linked, has been moved out of GR into I17. DS will be *available* around the time I17 goes live, but only with a GR pre-purchase, making it still an exclusive part of GR.
So even using that twisting of words, this current CB is still *not* GR's closed beta...especially since it's explicitly being called "Issue 17 Closed Beta". Therefore, the Loyalty program, Vet badges and whatever else they said would get you into the Closed Beta for Going Rogue does not apply for what is currently on test. Since it's *not* the Closed Beta for Going Rouge.
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Far too logical, Furio. Which we know has no place in the forums, and could likely get you burned at the stake for heresy.
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Originally Posted by Furio
Really, there's only one feature of GR being tested now, Demon Summoning. UM, as has been linked, has been moved out of GR into I17. DS will be *available* around the time I17 goes live, but only with a GR pre-purchase, making it still an exclusive part of GR.
So even using that twisting of words, this current CB is still *not* GR's closed beta...especially since it's explicitly being called "Issue 17 Closed Beta". Therefore, the Loyalty program, Vet badges and whatever else they said would get you into the Closed Beta for Going Rogue does not apply for what is currently on test. Since it's *not* the Closed Beta for Going Rouge. |
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And given past history on the forums, even if the rednames did come out and say something, it'll still get twisted, warped, mis-remembered or creatively interpreted into something other than what they said.
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Originally Posted by Red Valkyrja
Far too logical, Furio. Which we know has no place in the forums, and could likely get you burned at the stake for heresy.
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The majority of these comments are rude, self-congratulatory back-slapping of superiority with each other in an effort to deride me. I've stated several times what I'm interested in seeing in this thread, if you don't have that to offer or have said your piece, please, I'm not asking to be berated, move on.
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I17 is not Going Rogue therefore Going Rogue closed beta invite criteria don't apply. How many people need to spell this out for you?
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Originally Posted by Oubliette
The majority of these comments are rude, self-congratulatory back-slapping of superiority with each other in an effort to deride me. I've stated several times what I'm interested in seeing in this thread, if you don't have that to offer or have said your piece, please, I'm not asking to be berated, move on.
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Since this has not been explicitly stated by NCSoft, it's a valid, open question. A large piece (or pieces) of what was seemingly planned to be in the GR release at the time the Loyalty program was announced is apparently now being tested in the I17 closed beta. Therefore it is reasonable to imagine a scenario where NCSoft would choose to apply the GR CB invite criteria to I17. | I17 is not Going Rogue therefore Going Rogue closed beta invite criteria don't apply. How many people need to spell this out for you? |
Consider, from a marketing standpoint: If too many aspects of GR are pulled out into other issues/betas and the Loyalty program doesn't apply to those betas, then the Loyalty program delivers less value to the customers than they anticipated.
We'll find out when either a redname posts more info, or a pattern develops regarding who gets into beta and when.
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The only information I've seen on the Beta is that it's I17. I17 includes Ultramode graphics for the existing zones, so makes sense it'd part of a normal issue, not GR.|
Originally Posted by PirateCrew
Since this has not been explicitly stated by NCSoft, it's a valid, open question. A large piece (or pieces) of what was seemingly planned to be in the GR release at the time the Loyalty program was announced is apparently now being tested in the I17 closed beta. Therefore it is reasonable to imagine a scenario where NCSoft would choose to apply the GR CB invite criteria to I17.
Consider, from a marketing standpoint: If too many aspects of GR are pulled out into other issues/betas and the Loyalty program doesn't apply to those betas, then the Loyalty program delivers less value to the customers than they anticipated. We'll find out when either a redname posts more info, or a pattern develops regarding who gets into beta and when. |
I've not seen any Red Name saying that the current Beta includes Demon Summoning.
GR originally included UltraMode graphics, at the time the Loyalty Program was announced. That's why some people are questioning whether access to test/explore this feature remains as a benefit of the Loyalty Program, or not.
As you stated, Demon Summoning's inclusion on test server is speculation.
This --> Seeking developer confirmation (one way or another)OR a link to a quote from a developer concerning the current incarnation of the closed beta and the specifics of who will be participating in said incarnation of the current closed beta. A time-frame would also be helpful (e.g. if there are stages such as: In House> Devs and Family> Vets> etc.)
Not This--> What you think about the closed beta. (Speculation)
Not This--> Who you think will or wont be in said closed beta. (Wild Speculation)
Not This--> Intimations that other people need to "calm down" because they're not in the beta. (Inflammatory)
Please, help this stay on topic. Thank you.