Access to Ultramode Closed Beta
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Posted on: 2010-03-03 15:44 in The Global Training Room Test Server
Well a statement from them would end the speculation and such and clarify that "Yes Loyalty folks will get in the CB at some point." or "No, we're using our usual unspecified criteria. See you all in Open Beta."
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It would, you are correct. There would be nothing wrong with a Dev coming on here and confirming and I'm sure someone will say something eventually, but until then I am going by what I read originally on the Loyalty Program announcement. GR CB only. If they want to change that to include i17 CB then fine by me, but if not I ain't losing sleep over it like some people above seem to have done lol |
Originally Posted by Back_Blast
Well a statement from them would end the speculation and such and clarify that "Yes Loyalty folks will get in the CB at some point." or "No, we're using our usual unspecified criteria. See you all in Open Beta."
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I think if most of the people that want in, got in, we would have a pretty crappy product in the end lol.Beta tester that just wanted to TRY the product: "Well I don't like UM cause there are bugs in it blah blah blah...."
Dev: "Well what are the bugs you're having?"
Beta tester that just wanted to TRY the product: "It sucks"
Dev: "..." *Dev checks the persons name and puts them on the NEVER BE PUT IN CLOSED BETA AGAIN list*
Nevermind, Zander said everything I did, but less snarkily.
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Originally Posted by ZanderCross
Beta tester that just wanted to TRY the product: "Well I don't like UM cause there are bugs in it blah blah blah...."
Dev: "Well what are the bugs you're having?" Beta tester that just wanted to TRY the product: "It sucks" Dev: "..." *Dev checks the persons name and puts them on the NEVER BE PUT IN CLOSED BETA AGAIN list* |
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Originally Posted by Senith
Nevermind, Zander said everything I did, but less snarkily.
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Most of the people selected for closed betas are picked at random, but there are a few people who do seem to always get chosen.
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Ya good advice if you want in another closed beta, if you get chosen for this one or any other one, would be to bug the heck out of them with bug reports! (hehe bug with bugs...) Not with the same bug report, but with different ones. Those people are the ones that they most likely pick more often, the ones that give good feedback! I am honestly not sure I would be good at testing or not, but I would try I thought I've done a decent job on other betas (non-COH related). It's fun sometimes, but sometimes you just want to play the game lol.
I think the problem with people wanting into this Closed Beta comes from the confusion over the fact that Ultra Mode, Demon Summoning and Dual Pistols were all supposed to be part of Going Rogue. GR had very clear written criteria for being in the closed beta. Now Dual Pistols has already been tested.. now they're testing Ultra Mode AND Demon Summoning, which is part of GR, which people thought they'd get a chance to be part of the Closed Beta for.
Is it nice that we're getting these things early-ish(only if you pre-order GR in the case of the two power sets)? Sure.. but being closed beta testers was something people were sure they would be for these things.
But.. it's the interwebs.. people always want more.. and complain when they don't get it.
I think things would settle down if a Dev would just come out and say if the GR Beta Testers would get in on this Closed Beta or not.. Of course then people would complain about that then..
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I'm also pretty sure this is where the confusion stems from.|
Originally Posted by Back_Blast
The confusion over I17 and Loyalty folks I think stems from the fact they moved UM and DS into I17 from GR. Thus some feel they should have special access to I17 since it now contains what was GR material.
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GR was announced during HeroCon in October 2009. Ultra Mode was touted as being a big part of it.
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Originally Posted by ZanderCross
Soon after UM was announced Posi (or another dev... I can't remember) said that they would try to get UM out before GR if they could, which means it IS NOT an exclusive to GR. This means when they test UM they do not have to go by the Loyalty Program.
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Personally, I was interested in testing UM in "off" mode, since I have an older rig. I wanted to check if there was any crossover/interference with my current setup. I know they say there won't be, but that's what testing is for, right?
(and, yes, I'll be upgrading, but not for a little while yet). So, yes, there was some initial disappointment when I didn't get into the Closed Beta. But I accept that since it's part of i17 now, well, that's just the way the ol' ball bounces.
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Originally Posted by Astroburn
I think the problem with people wanting into this Closed Beta comes from the confusion over the fact that Ultra Mode, Demon Summoning and Dual Pistols were all supposed to be part of Going Rogue. GR had very clear written criteria for being in the closed beta. Now Dual Pistols has already been tested.. now they're testing Ultra Mode AND Demon Summoning, which is part of GR, which people thought they'd get a chance to be part of the Closed Beta for.
Is it nice that we're getting these things early-ish(only if you pre-order GR in the case of the two power sets)? Sure.. but being closed beta testers was something people were sure they would be for these things. But.. it's the interwebs.. people always want more.. and complain when they don't get it. I think things would settle down if a Dev would just come out and say if the GR Beta Testers would get in on this Closed Beta or not.. Of course then people would complain about that then.. |
You are sadly right my friend. Someone would be upset regardless of the outcome, it would just be a different set of people or even the same ones.
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Keep in mind my friend that just because the patch was put up yesterday does not mean that the closed beta started yesterday. I'm sure it did for the devs, but that doesn't mean it did for anyone else. Also, like said many time before CB usually goes in waves, just because you are not in the first wave doesn't mean you won't be in another. So it's still possible! There is still hope friends |
Originally Posted by Impish Kat
So, yes, there was some initial disappointment when I didn't get into the Closed Beta. But I accept that since it's part of i17 now, well, that's just the way the ol' ball bounces.
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Congrats to you mintmiki! See that's the kind of people we need in betas |
Originally Posted by mintmiki
I was invited to closed beta for reasons that are pretty much a mystery to me.
My best guess would be that I play CoH on a low-end mac and have been pretty vocal about game-killing bugs that plagued the mac version last fall. With each issue, I fear that my little mac that could will no longer be able to run CoH, and I don't have the funds to buy a new puter. Therefore, I'm grateful every time I'm able to continue to run new issues on the test server. Btw, Coh still runs fine on my unsupported mac. So GMA950 Graphics users REJOICE! |
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Assuming this is true, you just cost yourself a spot in closed beta. Good job!
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Originally Posted by mintmiki
I was invited to closed beta for reasons that are pretty much a mystery to me.
My best guess would be that I play CoH on a low-end mac and have been pretty vocal about game-killing bugs that plagued the mac version last fall. With each issue, I fear that my little mac that could will no longer be able to run CoH, and I don't have the funds to buy a new puter. Therefore, I'm grateful every time I'm able to continue to run new issues on the test server. Btw, Coh still runs fine on my unsupported mac. So GMA950 Graphics users REJOICE! |
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Is it against the NDA to say you're in it? I thought it was just if you told people what was in it. Since I've only been in one closed beta before I don't know what applies for all.
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Originally Posted by Gerad_Gantert
Assuming this is true, you just cost yourself a spot in closed beta. Good job!
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Since I sense an incoming semanics debate, here's the best answer:|
Originally Posted by ZanderCross
Is it against the NDA to say you're in it? I thought it was just if you told people what was in it. Since I've only been in one closed beta before I don't know what applies for all.
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Yes it is against the NDA to say you're in beta and he can indeed be removed from beta for posting that he's in beta.
But since I'm going to bring semantics into this, theres technically not an NDA for closed beta. An NDA is technically a signed agreement that is reached BEFORE accessing a beta and is legally and contractually binding. For these closed beta's players are selected in some random/semi-random fashion and are given access to content and are only presented with a set of rules AFTER accessing beta.
It's a subtle difference, but the major things gained from this is:
A) Its not a binding agreement (thats irrelevant to this answer)
B) It means the devs can enforce or ignore it at will. Hence, they can let this guy slide and nothing needs to occur. Regardless, its in his best interest to cease speaking about beta anymore.
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Thanks for the clarification! Be careful mintmiki!
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Originally Posted by Necronous
Since I sense an incoming semanics debate, here's the best answer:
Yes it is against the NDA to say you're in beta and he can indeed be removed from beta for posting that he's in beta. But since I'm going to bring semantics into this, theres technically not an NDA for closed beta. An NDA is technically a signed agreement that is reached BEFORE accessing a beta and is legally and contractually binding. For these closed beta's players are selected in some random/semi-random fashion and are given access to content and are only presented with a set of rules AFTER accessing beta. It's a subtle difference, but the major things gained from this is: A) Its not a binding agreement (thats irrelevant to this answer) B) It means the devs can enforce or ignore it at will. Hence, they can let this guy slide and nothing needs to occur. Regardless, its in his best interest to cease speaking about beta anymore. |
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I'd agree there. From what I've seen of the 'NDA', it looks more of a set of rules they want you to abide by to keep others not in the beta from being highly jealous of your access. And since most of the major changes I think tend to happen in the CB, it also keeps unintentional misinformation from being disseminated. My CB experience is limited but it does seem to me that by the time OB hits, the new content is pretty well locked down and it's just a matter of banging out the last minor bugs and stability issues that OB is for.
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Originally Posted by Necronous
Since I sense an incoming semanics debate, here's the best answer:
Yes it is against the NDA to say you're in beta and he can indeed be removed from beta for posting that he's in beta. But since I'm going to bring semantics into this, theres technically not an NDA for closed beta. An NDA is technically a signed agreement that is reached BEFORE accessing a beta and is legally and contractually binding. For these closed beta's players are selected in some random/semi-random fashion and are given access to content and are only presented with a set of rules AFTER accessing beta. It's a subtle difference, but the major things gained from this is: A) Its not a binding agreement (thats irrelevant to this answer) B) It means the devs can enforce or ignore it at will. Hence, they can let this guy slide and nothing needs to occur. Regardless, its in his best interest to cease speaking about beta anymore. |
It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination.
When you're in a traditional Closed Beta (and not like last issue's CB where the GR Loyalty Program and Vets were all invited in for the first wave), you get an email and access to CB forums. Both the email and forums ask you not to reveal anything you find out in CB. They also ask you not to say you're in CB or talk about who is in CB.
The problem of revealing who is in CB is that it put pressure on them from others asking to reveal things or give hints. It's simply best policy not to discuss it. In the past, newbies to CB who let slip by accident that they're in CB (they posted a question to the Test forum rather than CB forum, e.g.) were not punished.
Those who let loose *information* from CB were kicked out of CB and never allowed back into another.
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I'm just hoping that Ultra-Mode runs on my comp. I can run CoH currently on max settings with little to no lag even in full groups.. so hopefully Ultra-Mode will run for me..
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Originally Posted by Lucky666
So my guess is their are waves for this one like they said before.
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1st: Half of them will be people who no longer play the game in an attempt to lure them back, the other half absurd loyalists who won't blab. 2nd: The people who contribute to Beta. 3rd: The crazies. (Me!) 4th: Who cares? By this point they're not going to change anything. |
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Well I've no idea of your specs but this thread:http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=200245 should give you a decent idea of how it will work for you. At least based on what is publicly known.
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Originally Posted by Astroburn
I'm just hoping that Ultra-Mode runs on my comp. I can run CoH currently on max settings with little to no lag even in full groups.. so hopefully Ultra-Mode will run for me..
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It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination.
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Originally Posted by Astroburn
I'm just hoping that Ultra-Mode runs on my comp. I can run CoH currently on max settings with little to no lag even in full groups.. so hopefully Ultra-Mode will run for me..
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Originally Posted by Back_Blast
Well I've no idea of your specs but this thread:http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=200245 should give you a decent idea of how it will work for you. At least based on what is publicly known.
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I keep shooting for a miracle here in the asking, but, regardless of all these wild speculations and damning opinionated mumbo-jumbo, the topic at hand is still:
This --> Seeking developer confirmation (one way or another)OR a link to a quote from a developer concerning the current incarnation of the closed beta and the specifics of who will be participating in said incarnation of the current closed beta. A time-frame would also be helpful (e.g. if there are stages such as: In House> Devs and Family> Vets> etc.)
Not This--> What you think about the closed beta. (Speculation)
Not This--> Who you think will or wont be in said closed beta. (Wild Speculation)
Not This--> Intimations that other people need to "calm down" because they're not in the beta. (Inflammatory)
Please, help this stay on topic. Thank you.
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Originally Posted by Oubliette
I keep shooting for a miracle here in the asking, but, regardless of all these wild speculations and damning opinionated mumbo-jumbo, the topic at hand is still:
This --> Seeking developer confirmation (one way or another)OR a link to a quote from a developer concerning the current incarnation of the closed beta and the specifics of who will be participating in said incarnation of the current closed beta. A time-frame would also be helpful (e.g. if there are stages such as: In House> Devs and Family> Vets> etc.) Not This--> What you think about the closed beta. (Speculation) Not This--> Who you think will or wont be in said closed beta. (Wild Speculation) Not This--> Intimations that other people need to "calm down" because they're not in the beta. (Inflammatory) Please, help this stay on topic. Thank you. |
Sorry, the chances of getting what you want are next to non-existent. Please try again later.
The devs let in who they want into the closed beta according to criteria that they arbitrarily choose. Closed beta is closed. Timeframes are not available to people outside the beta, because of bugs that need squashing, systems that take longer to test than they thought, etc.
The rednames will tell you that there is a closed beta going on, and that's all you're going to get. You're not in the closed beta, you don't get to hear any more than that.
And the rednames are certainly not going to tell you their criteria for getting into the closed beta, because then people will attempt to game those criteria. For instance, if you get in based on bug reports, they'll be flooded with bug reports that may not be for actual bugs, just so that people can show lots of bug report activity and get into the closed beta.
So, you don't get any more information about the I17 closed beta until it goes open. If you fall under one of the categories that guarantees closed beta access for Going Rogue, you'll have to wait until that expansion goes into beta.
You can ask all you want, but you won't get the answers you want.
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Yep. Of course, now to try and find the old redname comments I remember to generally support this, but that sums it up.|
Originally Posted by Smersh
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They've never told us who are not in closed beta who's in closed beta.
They've never told us why people who are in closed beta were selected to be in closed beta.
They never tell show people outside closed beta the patch notes for closed beta.
They don't tell us when closed beta is going to end, only when open beta is going to start.
They might say stuff while its happening to the rest of us, or comment about things after the fact, but that's their prerogative.
None of this is speculative.
For Going Rogue the beta access that Vets, Loyalty program folks, etc., are getting to be in is pretty much a "marketing" beta, which is very common practice for MMO's.
Soon after UM was announced Posi (or another dev... I can't remember) said that they would try to get UM out before GR if they could, which means it IS NOT an exclusive to GR. This means when they test UM they do not have to go by the Loyalty Program.
This part from here on is only hypothetical so take it that way please:
It is my guess that DP and DS, being only a part of GR and not the biggest part of what GR has to offer and the fact that they wanted us to have early access, were given their own release and beta separate from GR in order to achieve the quick turn around on these powers to the public.
If they had gone by the Loyalty system to test DP, we would still be testing it, or they would have all of the Loyalty members in there at the same time and then the people in tier one would be on here griping about that.
I know everyone wants in, but stop giving false hope to those that haven't been paying attention to what the devs have been saying. And to people trying to twist the devs words STOP! It will more than likely make them NOT want you in the beta. They aren't looking for people that want in the beta to TRY out the new stuff, they want people that want to TEST out the new stuff.
P.S. I'm not bashing you Back_Blast so don't think that please lol