ATTN: Dev's - PvP 2.0 Proposed Changes and Fixes


Alpha_Zulu

 

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Originally Posted by epic_ View Post
you made no points just noise. Lots of useless comments just like you always post. We all see why you have over 3000 post.






That was a complaint. Pretty dumb and lame. But to do it on a stalker who plays hidden most of the makes it all the worse. Not a cry just a gripe. Its a public for can i do that here? You should i ask you and you life partner black barrier if its ok to speak?







So if i don't play an at but fight one everyday i cant have an opinion? I'm sorry once again it must be your way or nothing. You still have failed to show me or anyone where i said it needs nerfed or it wasn't working as intended.


Hope this helps you. Didn't think i needed to waste my time repeating my self to you. Think about what else you want to say to pad your post count. Maybe you should quote this again




they reply cry or fail or blah blah.


Your full of it, your worthless to the community, you don't every respond to anything with a normal response, and you do nothing good for the game. You are just a cyber bully someone should tell your teacher. Lol respond if you want but i'm done with you.
hey, you're crack horror, the baddie that ignored me cause i called him out on empty talk coming from a blaster back when doms were good.


 

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Originally Posted by Epic_ View Post
You made no points just noise. Lots of useless comments just like you always post. We all see why you have over 3000 post.






That was a complaint. Pretty dumb and lame. But to do it on a stalker who plays hidden most of the makes it all the worse. Not a cry just a gripe. its a public for can i do that here? you should i ask you and you life partner black barrier if its ok to speak?







So if i don't play an AT but fight one everyday I cant have an opinion? I'm sorry once again it must be your way or nothing. You still have failed to show me or anyone where I said it needs nerfed or it wasn't working as intended.


Hope this helps you. Didn't think i needed to waste my time repeating my self to you. Think about what else you want to say to pad your post count. Maybe you should quote this again




They reply Cry or Fail or BLAH BLAH.


Your full of it, your worthless to the community, you don't every respond to anything with a normal response, and you do nothing good for the game. You are just a Cyber Bully someone should tell your teacher. LOL respond if you want but I'm done with you.
You just keep digging yourself that hole you got there. LOL I'm enjoying you get owned.

Ignorance truly is bliss eh?


 

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not sure if merit system would work..but as i always said..let us just do random pvp IO roll with lets say 300 rep...

i agree on dmg changes...

not so much on buffing..i would just lower res from epic shields (which is 30% to all btw) (this way low pvp zones dont get affected by nerf much) and revaluate dmg and DR effect on res/def.

if they nerf sharks (what they actually already did ) then they should buff AS..because currently it is not as good as it used to be and rest of stalker's attacks do crap...

agree on elusivity changes...

LR is just broken we all know it

psi blast delayed dmg and tanks epics definitely need review...
fix taunt? because that bs stacks and you have 0 range and not 10 ft...

as far as i know char from fire mastery for scraps is broken also..

they need to review procs (the unresistable mez ones anyway)..

CMs need to be fixed..since they dont really protect (or rather should i say lower duration?) you from unresistable (wtf?) mezzes from doms (like stuns) or trollers...

defender would never have longer cage than troller because cage is a mez...and as far as i know cage is already 8 sec.

IW is broken for how long now? pm'ed many times all possible bug devs, tehy agreed...did nothing...sigh, they don't give a flying f***

they also need to review widows dmg because they do as much as defender does...:/


 

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Originally Posted by Epic_ View Post
Your full of it, your worthless to the community, you don't every respond to anything with a normal response, and you do nothing good for the game. You are just a Cyber Bully someone should tell your teacher. LOL respond if you want but I'm done with you.


I am one of the most helpful posters in this section of the forums. I don't resort to name calling. Pulling at my post count is hilarious seeing if you actually checked any post of mine you will find almost no filler. On top of that everyone pretty much knows that calling on someone's post count is pretty much pointing out you have nothing of any substance to counter said person with. On top of that you resort to name calling another very sophmorish past time.

I am not bullying you in anyway. I am pointing out that your opinions are based on a onesided experience for you. It seems though, sadly, that you enjoy seeing the world your way and only your way. I get it.


You think it sucks that some horrible zone stalker gets away before you kill him every time, and you need to post about it on the forums. Do you know how many post we would have in this section if everytime someone did something 'lame' 'cheap' or even 'exploitive' everyone around posted about it. Back in the age of Darth Ronin there was literally a thread of tear droppers like you every day or so. Because instead of either getting over it or getting around it all you can do is cry until you get treated fair and just. I zone pvp probably more than anyone left in this game. I see stuff all the time that kinda makes me roll my eyes, and I promise you have never seen a single post from me about any of them. And you never will.


grabbing a quote for the next one.

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So if i don't play an AT but fight one everyday I cant have an opinion? I'm sorry once again it must be your way or nothing. You still have failed to show me or anyone where I said it needs nerfed or it wasn't working as intended.

You can have an opinion without playing the at. Just don't expect any who actually has played it to think your opinion is worth a thing. I can form opinions about stuff I don't know about all day, it doesn't mean anyone should really care about it. Thanks for sharing your opinion. We read it. We get what you are saying. We also get you are pretty clueless and like to whine alot when things don't go your way. I hope things get better for you.





On a more serious note. Nice post rei. I keep forgetting about veat kb protection when I rattle off bugs that are loooooooong past due to be dealt with. Seriously can a brother get some pvp bug fixes in this place or what?


Duel me.
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Yeah when do they intend to fix some bugs or make some changes, i23? i33? Soon™?


 

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Yeah when do they intend to fix some bugs or make some changes, i23? i33? Soon™?
i'll give you a clue: "not i17".


 

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barrier, shame on you and your 5 bars of green rep...


 

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Originally Posted by Commando View Post

Stalkers-

This is a pain. For PvP balance issues this whole AT is a problem. On the one hand, they are (as of now) impossible to see, unless the stalkers attack or enter an area in which dmg will unhide them, and they do a devastating amount of UNRESISTED dmg from either critical hits or AS. On the other hand, while being visible, their survivability is dubious. This, IMO, was a mistake to bring to the game and now the matter is a tough one of what to do with it. 3-4 Spines stalkers coordinate one target, while completely unseen, Crit Impale, target gone, and move on to next. How to counter that? Well, exiting the zone is a great way to do it. Gone Rogue will have Stalkers on both sides and have VEATS on both sides. VEATS, who have higher perception cap, will be sought for that perception, among other things. This will turn VEATS into prime targets for the stalkers, all of them. Gone Rogue might turn into VEATS Gone… Farmed. Who knows?

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You don't know what you're talking about. Please try again.





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Originally Posted by ConFlict View Post
I will go slow for you cause you seem a little simple. When you ask a question you end the the sentence the a question mark. It looks like this ? just so you know. When you make a statement, like you did about your feelings toward your question you end it with a period. It looks like this . just so you know. We still on a the same page? Then lets continue.



This was the question. It was answered. No problems so far.

Moving on.



OOOOO, what do we have here. A declaration about how you feel toward what is going on in your question. Saying its not right is you complaining that you do not think its fair or working as intended. There is no reading between the lines. No assumptions. You yourself put out there exactly how you feel about it.


Now lets cover what I was replying to earlier, which had nothing to do with either of these.



Now see the cute part here is, you have stated that making assumptions makes people look ignorant. Yet here we are with you making assumption about an at and how it plays and posting about it on a public forums. Care to guess who is really looking ignorant atm?


I like the part where you try to redirect like you didn't mean what you said and I should have assumed you meant it different in the same post you tell me not to assume. Clever.



Also lets grab one more of your gems.



Making a post about not complaining and then complaining in the same post is awesome.


One small piece of advice. Before you ever hit submit reply ever again. Read what you wrote and make sure its what you really wanted to say. At least then when you get shredded in public you can at least think you did the right thing. Instead of backpedaling and double talking and looking like a dipstick. Which is what you are currently doing.


Thanks for playing, have a good day.
Get wrecked son.


 

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I am one of the most helpful posters in this section of the forums. I don't resort to name calling.
Haha Conflict the comedian.


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Because instead of either getting over it or getting around it all you can do is cry until you get treated fair and just.
LOL so funny you say that... isn't that what this whole thread is? Just another please devs fix it thread?

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You can have an opinion without playing the at. Just don't expect any who actually has played it to think your opinion is worth a thing.
So nice that you and some can be exceptions to this rule.... way to double standard mate. I'd like to see you chime in with that statement next time I help someone with teleport and/or Traps or something only to have 15 peeps who have no clue about either chime in with opinions that should be regarded as worthless.


"Situational power? Sure. Although in a sense... all powers are situational. It's just that some situations occur more than others." Understand the situation needed in order for the power to be most effective... and make that situation happen.

 

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Originally Posted by Dahjee View Post
Haha Conflict the comedian.


LOL so funny you say that... isn't that what this whole thread is? Just another please devs fix it thread?



So nice that you and some can be exceptions to this rule.... way to double standard mate. I'd like to see you chime in with that statement next time I help someone with teleport and/or Traps or something only to have 15 peeps who have no clue about either chime in with opinions that should be regarded as worthless.
No.


 

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Originally Posted by Xanatos View Post
No.
Swing Hard as you can friend.


"Situational power? Sure. Although in a sense... all powers are situational. It's just that some situations occur more than others." Understand the situation needed in order for the power to be most effective... and make that situation happen.

 

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Originally Posted by Dahjee View Post
next time I help someone with teleport and/or Traps or something only to have 15 peeps who have no clue about either chime in with opinions that should be regarded as worthless.
lol @ "help"


 

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Haha Conflict the comedian.
I fail to see me being funny their. Good job resorting to name in a reply to a sentence about name calling though, very well played.

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LOL so funny you say that... isn't that what this whole thread is? Just another please devs fix it thread?

Epic didn't ask for anything to be fixed. He was wanted to know why some things worked they way they did. Then went on to whine and moan about how unfair it is and how lame someone base tping themselves is.


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So nice that you and some can be exceptions to this rule.... way to double standard mate. I'd like to see you chime in with that statement next time I help someone with teleport and/or Traps or something only to have 15 peeps who have no clue about either chime in with opinions that should be regarded as worthless.

Here is the good part. I do play traps in pvp. I do have toons with tp I have pvped with. I have posted that over and over. You seem to somehow miss those post though. You didn't invent it. You didn't even perfect it. I have even replied to people around here that they need tp for what they are trying to do.


Maybe someday when you come up with better advice or even a better attitude you might be taken more serious around these parts. It probably just won't be any time soon.


Duel me.
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Originally Posted by Supermax View Post
lol @ "help"
If you take his advice and do the opposite, it could help.


Infinity and Victory mostly
dUmb, etc.
lolz PvP anymore, Market PvP for fun and profit

 

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Dear Dahjee,

Please ingest the following into your long-term memory:

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Originally Posted by ConFlict View Post
...I do play traps in pvp. I do have toons with tp I have pvped with.
Regards,

The PvP Community


 

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In addition to that, I also have used TP+fly in PvP. In fact, I had that setup on like 90% of my toons from I13 to like I15. I had very good success with it. But Con and I both still stand by our comments about it not being as good as SS+SJ.

Please don't ignore this post, or the one above it Dahjee. It contains important information, which will allow you to sound less stupid in your future posts.


 

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I fail to see me being funny their. Good job resorting to name in a reply to a sentence about name calling though, very well played.
The funny part is you saying you don't do something... when you actually do. I never claimed not to.

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Epic didn't ask for anything to be fixed. He was wanted to know why some things worked they way they did. Then went on to whine and moan about how unfair it is and how lame someone base tping themselves is.
Yeah sure. I was just comparing that to whining and moaning about evrything else PvP related. In variations of degree... of course.
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Here is the good part. I do play traps in pvp. I do have toons with tp I have pvped with. I have posted that over and over. You seem to somehow miss those post though. You didn't invent it. You didn't even perfect it. I have even replied to people around here that they need tp for what they are trying to do.
Calm your ego... It is you that seeks to be some know-it-all here on th boards... not me. You play traps too, good for you. The point I made was that those who have no idea about the matter chime in with worthless opinions... Your comment:
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You can have an opinion without playing the at. Just don't expect any who actually has played it to think your opinion is worth a thing.
doesn't apply in matters when it should... I often express how little an uninformed opinion matters... just like you. Sue me.

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Originally Posted by ConFlict View Post
Maybe someday when you come up with better advice or even a better attitude you might be taken more serious around these parts. It probably just won't be any time soon.
I don't give advice here... I answer questions to the best of my ability based on personal experience. If I explain how stacking acid mortars works and how to get the most out of doing so... it is not me saying traps is better than and emp in an 8 vs 8. Those are arguments made by others meant to distract from the point in order to sustain some bitterness or ignorance or envy or hate or whatever. I respect you skills Conflict and I expect you to be smarter than this when providing knowledge here on the forums. Stop taking things so personal if possible. If you're gonna pretend to speak for the community, then at least respond as a rep. if you speak on personal experience... then be willing to accept the fact that others' personal experiences may have differed from yours.

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Dear Dahjee,

Please ingest the following into your long-term memory:
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Originally Posted by ConFlict View Post
I do play traps in pvp. I do have toons with tp I have pvped with.
Regards,
The PvP Community
Dear PvP community,

Please create a removal process that will effectively detach Xanatos from Conflict's left nut.

Reagards, Dahjee.

If you thought with your own mind X, you might not of missed the point.

[Edit: My apologies for the crudeness... to whom it may apply]


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In addition to that, I also have used TP+fly in PvP. In fact, I had that setup on like 90% of my toons from I13 to like I15. I had very good success with it. But Con and I both still stand by our comments about it not being as good as SS+SJ.

Please don't ignore this post, or the one above it Dahjee. It contains important information, which will allow you to sound less stupid in your future posts.
TP + Fly is much weaker than TP + Hover due to it's lower Fly Mag. Get a Jetpack and movement speed bonuses if you want to fly... like you do when built for SS/SJ. If you spent a year or two trying to make that set up work and came to a conclusion that you did, then I think it's fair to say that you stand to learn more about such an approach. I get it though. I SS/SJ when I need to be fast and mobile. I TP when I simply need to be there, and not there... without others knowing the direction I took. I don't however confuse the two and expect one combo to do the job of the other. My approach differs from toon to toon and if yours does not, I can understand the need to apply the same approach to every single toon you PvP with.

I don't think I am the one that comes across as stupid in my posts Max... your blind resentment of me and whatever I say here is evidence of that.

I encourage and support those who seek to find bugs and suggest fixes for them. I think however that there is a distinct line drawn between that and random changes needed. PvP changes IMO should be based on first understanding the current system so that improvements can be made. This is not the same thing as simply looking at RV/Arena and the way things look or appear currently. No satsifaction can come from looking at things in such a way... just QQ'ing til a change... and more QQ'ing til the next change.

Carry On Though. I'm sure it will be as interesting as the last time.


"Situational power? Sure. Although in a sense... all powers are situational. It's just that some situations occur more than others." Understand the situation needed in order for the power to be most effective... and make that situation happen.

 

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Stop taking things so personal if possible. If you're gonna pretend to speak for the community, then at least respond as a rep. if you speak on personal experience... then be willing to accept the fact that others' personal experiences may have differed from yours.

I will get to the rest of the tl;dr when I get more time. Its personal when you call me the comedian and come at me. I respond in kind, break down your post so the you understand exactly where I am coming from and going.


As far as speaking for the community I will step out there and say I do. I am one the most knowledgeable and helpful pvpers left. You don't see me firing at people and mocking them, unless they fire first. This all started with you telling someone that traps was a completely viable zone toon as a corr. It not just my experience that says its bad. Its pretty much everyone but you. And even to that point all I did was correct the parts where you are blatantly wrong, and I backed it up with facts. And not facts like I can kill a scrapper that afks in my traps or I have a 9/5 k/d ratio in 3 hours in zone. I am here to help people pvp better. You on the other hand want to spread your joy and sunshine message that unique butterflies should be loved and appreciated. Well they shouldn't, they should be farmed like the zone liability that they are. Pure and simple.


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i invented the traps + storm team.
gtfo noubs.








not even kidding.


 

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No need to be offensive Dahje.


 

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Originally Posted by black_barrier View Post
- If you remove the critical effect from stalker patrons, AS needs to be buffed. Either through raising the base damage or lowering the DR curve on damage for stalkers. Back in the day, one hit after getting AS'd meant you were dead on a squishy. The interrupt time on AS should be used when calculating the base damage.
i disagree that AS should get a buff at the expense of sharks when AS is working pretty darn well in every pvp area. Moreover, the two powers are slightly unrelated even if they belong on the same AT.

Sharks have been troublesome ever since it was made quintessential as a boost to stalker dmg, especially on teams. Hopefully a dev have noticed the trouble it has caused the pvp community and especially the PvPEC league. There are also many players who practically only use shark, placate, Fly, teleport, hibernate, and phase in PvP zones. This teands to break the reward vs risk aspect of the game since the stalker no longer needs his melee attacks to secure kills and is truely safe from getting killed himself. From a Gamer's stand point there's also minimum skill envolved in hovering, waiting for someone's health to drop to 1/4, sharking, and flying up, hibernating/phasing, and runnign back to base.

I suggest that sharks should receive the same as Energy Transfer did.


 

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Originally Posted by Dahjee View Post

I don't think I am the one that comes across as stupid in my posts Max...
lol you've already been told otherwise by more than 1 person. But hey, you keep on thinking that you're in the right, and we're all working together and have made it our goal to create a group dedicated to insulting you.

Hell, I don't even talk trash to anybody on here. Ever. But you say such stupid stuff, even a nice guy like me has to chime in.


 

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Originally Posted by ConFlict View Post
Its personal when you call me the comedian and come at me. I respond in kind, break down your post so the you understand exactly where I am coming from and going.
I have no desire to be harsh or stir emotions, or else I would have called you a liar. I didn't really think you were being serious. I was being light. Forgive me still. I am not very good at stepping on egg shells.

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As far as speaking for the community I will step out there and say I do.
I agree. You do. They do too. I do. We all do. A community has as many voices as it does people within it Conflict. Some voices are just louder. All however are equally important.

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I am one the most knowledgeable and helpful pvpers left. You don't see me firing at people and mocking them, unless they fire first.
Yet you are not the only one left, and it is quite foolish to think so considering some get smarter by the day having never known Pre I13 PvP. Also, congrats on obtaining a solid Reputation. I stand behind it fully. Maintain it though, don't get caught up into thinking that offering help is the same thing as helping... such confusion causes rage in some when people don't agree 100% with the advice/help offered. This ego rage is counter-productive to "helping" more often than not.

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This all started with you telling someone that traps was a completely viable zone toon as a corr. It not just my experience that says its bad. Its pretty much everyone but you.
Maybe if you explained to me what about the /Traps Corr you had problems with I could help. It is very comparable to a /Dev, only a slightly different focus on debuff as opposed to self buffs. It is also more mobile than any /Traps MM due to higher HP more power selections, and less dependancy on Bodyguard mode. Again, my point was that too many dismiss what they have no actual experience with. If you are an exception... you are only that.

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I am here to help people pvp better. You on the other hand want to spread your joy and sunshine message that unique butterflies should be loved and appreciated. Well they shouldn't, they should be farmed like the zone liability that they are. Pure and simple.
I'm not sure you are trying to help. If you are, perhaps it's kinda like the rags to riches parent that gives all to the child... and then expects the child to have the same work ethic... gets mad because they don't and goes on to blame a higher power for the circumstances.


"Situational power? Sure. Although in a sense... all powers are situational. It's just that some situations occur more than others." Understand the situation needed in order for the power to be most effective... and make that situation happen.

 

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Originally Posted by Dahjee View Post
I have no desire to be harsh or stir emotions, or else I would have called you a liar. I didn't really think you were being serious. I was being light. Forgive me still. I am not very good at stepping on egg shells.

I agree. You do. They do too. I do. We all do. A community has as many voices as it does people within it Conflict. Some voices are just louder. All however are equally important.

Yet you are not the only one left, and it is quite foolish to think so considering some get smarter by the day having never known Pre I13 PvP. Also, congrats on obtaining a solid Reputation. I stand behind it fully. Maintain it though, don't get caught up into thinking that offering help is the same thing as helping... such confusion causes rage in some when people don't agree 100% with the advice/help offered. This ego rage is counter-productive to "helping" more often than not.



Maybe if you explained to me what about the /Traps Corr you had problems with I could help. It is very comparable to a /Dev, only a slightly different focus on debuff as opposed to self buffs. It is also more mobile than any /Traps MM due to higher HP more power selections, and less dependancy on Bodyguard mode. Again, my point was that too many dismiss what they have no actual experience with. If you are an exception... you are only that.



I'm not sure you are trying to help. If you are, perhaps it's kinda like the rags to riches parent that gives all to the child... and then expects the child to have the same work ethic... gets mad because they don't and goes on to blame a higher power for the circumstances.
tl dr; i'd rather read league drama.


 

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Originally Posted by Neeto View Post
From a Gamer's stand point there's also minimum skill envolved in hovering, waiting for someone's health to drop to 1/4, sharking, and flying up, hibernating/phasing, and runnign back to base.
I think this was their design goal.


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