Special rules for "one-shot"ing enemies?
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Blue_Fenix,
Posted on: 2010-02-27 01:05 in Player Questions
Not true.
this only applies to players
NPC hits player for 4000 dmg, player drops to 1 hp
player hits NPC for 800 dmg, NPC dies (if less than 800 hp)
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Okay, thanks for clearing this up.
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Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
this only applies to players
NPC hits player for 4000 dmg, player drops to 1 hp player hits NPC for 800 dmg, NPC dies (if less than 800 hp) |
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As others have said, the "one shot" rule applies to attacks on players (but can be bypassed via things such as DoT or procs if the attacker is another player), not player attacks on NPCs. However it should be noted that mob health starts to scale upward relative to your damage output as you gain levels, so those minions you were killing in one shot with Fire Blast when you were a lowbie will take a few more attacks to take out when you're in your 30s or 40s. It's fairly easy, even then, to one-shot single targets with some attacks, though it's substantially harder to one-shot entire groups without using something like a Blaster tier 9.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Fenix
Hey guys. I thought I remembered there was some special rule that made one-shotting enemies of your level really hard to do. Something like if a player or mob is at full health, any damage will leave them with at least 1 hp. Is this true? I feel like there's been changes to this at some point as well.
Also, I seem to remember something about a few powers having an extra tick of 5 damage or something like that so as to get around the rule and truly "one-shot". Is this true? If so, which powers? |
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The one-shot rule can't be bypassed via procs in PvP, sadly.|
Originally Posted by macskull
but can be bypassed via things such as DoT or procs if the attacker is another player
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(At least not in the pre-i13 PvP, haven't PvP'd since then)
Just to check, a single attack with multiple damage portions still counts as 1 attack, correct?
As in, say you get hit at full health by Fictional Attack for 2000 energy 1000 smashing and you've got 1.2k health. You'll still only get dropped to 1hp, right?
My vague recollections say yes, but I want to make sure 
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Originally Posted by Silas
Just to check, a single attack with multiple damage portions still counts as 1 attack, correct?
As in, say you get hit at full health by Fictional Attack for 2000 energy 1000 smashing and you've got 1.2k health. You'll still only get dropped to 1hp, right? My vague recollections say yes, but I want to make sure |
If it's a single attack like that yes. However if an NPC attack has a secondary DoT you'll still get "one-shotted." Bane Spiders are the best example of this.
They perform an Executioner Strike (a critical Shatter attack from hide) and hit you for extreme smashing damage. The no one-shotting rule kicks in and instead of being killed outright you are dropped to 1hp. However the attack has the secondary attack of toxic DoT which is immediately applied. This promptly removes your 1hp making it look like you were one-shotted, when as far as the game is concerned it was two seperate attacks. Too bad the second was unavoidable.
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The buildings hit you with two autohit attacks one immediately after the first. i forget how much each attack does, but it's over 9,000.|
Originally Posted by SerialBeggar
The Steel Canyon flaming buildings can one-shot you when they explode.
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This allows it to effectively bypass the one-shot code since it's two-shotting you. With massive overkill in each attack.
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
The buildings hit you with two autohit attacks one immediately after the first. i forget how much each attack does, but it's over 9,000.
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Actually no it isn't.|
Originally Posted by SerialBeggar
The Steel Canyon flaming buildings can one-shot you when they explode.
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It's doing several ticks of insanity-level damage. There was a big discussion on this a while back and how much damage it did.
Since each "tick" is a separate hit, it neatly sidesteps the oneshot code.
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i think those burning buildings do 3 ticks of like around 250k dmg per tick over like a time span of 1 sec or half second so it looks like its all at once
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The damage from the burning buildings is a large multiple of your maximum health, and it hits multiple times. So the more health you have, the more damage it does, hence the insane damage number on the Kronos Titan.
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Originally Posted by Lord_Thanatos
The damage from the burning buildings is a large multiple of your maximum health, and it hits multiple times. So the more health you have, the more damage it does, hence the insane damage number on the Kronos Titan.
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It has a 150ft radius, and hits you with the damage 0.25s after it hits you with a 10+ mag KB.
It's 3 simultaneous ticks (unresistable) of roughly 4 times your base hp, with an additional 16 ticks of superficial damage that I assume start before the major 3 fire off.
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The damage dealt by Backdraft is a multiple of your HP. It's not possible to survive being hit.
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
The buildings hit you with two autohit attacks one immediately after the first. i forget how much each attack does, but it's over 9,000.
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
The damage dealt by Backdraft is a multiple of your HP. It's not possible to survive being hit.
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It may have been broken a bit years back. I was on my Inv tank working on the badge when the building went all asplodey, and I was amazed to still be standing. I was as low as I could possibly be in HPs, as I recall, but didn't have to hit the Hosp.
The only thing I would figure out is that, at that time, the auto-hit wasn't working right, and the Def made part of it miss, while the rest took me to probably 1 hp.
And no, I didn't take a series of screenies at the time because I didn't know it was ready to go - got there late and missed the pre-boom.
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Or you were right at the proper range just as it blew, and missed most of the damage, only taking the still-substantial pre-blast damage.
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Originally Posted by DarkEther
It may have been broken a bit years back. I was on my Inv tank working on the badge when the building went all asplodey, and I was amazed to still be standing. I was as low as I could possibly be in HPs, as I recall, but didn't have to hit the Hosp.
The only thing I would figure out is that, at that time, the auto-hit wasn't working right, and the Def made part of it miss, while the rest took me to probably 1 hp. And no, I didn't take a series of screenies at the time because I didn't know it was ready to go - got there late and missed the pre-boom. |
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That was probably around the time that one of my characters survived a backdraft hit. i always figured it was due to a server hiccup since it never happened before or since. IIRC it was not a high defense character either.
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Originally Posted by DarkEther
It may have been broken a bit years back. I was on my Inv tank working on the badge when the building went all asplodey, and I was amazed to still be standing. I was as low as I could possibly be in HPs, as I recall, but didn't have to hit the Hosp.
The only thing I would figure out is that, at that time, the auto-hit wasn't working right, and the Def made part of it miss, while the rest took me to probably 1 hp. And no, I didn't take a series of screenies at the time because I didn't know it was ready to go - got there late and missed the pre-boom. |
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Hey guys. I thought I remembered there was some special rule that made one-shotting enemies of your level really hard to do. Something like if a player or mob is at full health, any damage will leave them with at least 1 hp. Is this true? I feel like there's been changes to this at some point as well.
Also, I seem to remember something about a few powers having an extra tick of 5 damage or something like that so as to get around the rule and truly "one-shot". Is this true? If so, which powers?