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In the Arena of Logic, I fight unarmed.
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In the game you are role playing that they don't have a choice. As others have pointed out it's just as easy to role play them as having free will. Just like you role play shooting an NPC with an assault rifle, immolating them in fire, exposing them to radiation, etc is merely rendering them unconcious for arrest. Since it's all pretendy funtime MM Thugs can be Heroic or Villainous.
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Originally Posted by poptart_fairy
For all your herfing and derfing, I do realise you're trivialising them in an utterly moronic way by equating their struggle with that of a fictional computer game character. The original point was that blowing up an ally, within a comic book, without giving them a choice is hardly a heroic action.
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Who are YOU to say they aren't given a choice? This is a role-playing game, I can come up with any circumstance I want. Maybe my Bruiser is pretty much near-immortal; The explosion takes him out of battle for a bit, but he can pop right back up not too much later. He volunteers to take the bomb into combat because he knows the situation needs it.
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Originally Posted by poptart_fairy
The original point was that blowing up an ally, within a comic book, without giving them a choice is hardly a heroic action..
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Y'know, who says they actually die? In my experience, the same guys with the same custom names come to my beck and call. And they're always at full health too.
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Maybe at the same time that the former villain is redeeming himself, the thug henchmen are doing the same?
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Originally Posted by falloutsurvivor
we know that with going rogue we will be able to change faction.
but a thug mastermind HEROES? really? thug are criminal how will it fit with the lore ? |
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TO THE END!Villains are those who dedicate their lives to causing mayhem. Villians are people from the planet Villia!
so you consider terrorist who strap a bomb to their chest HEROIC?
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This seems the appropiate response after the post before me. Great job falloutsurvivor
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Originally Posted by Gulver
No no no no... More like this.
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This seems the appropiate response after the post before me. Great job falloutsurvivor
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we cant have a decent argument here?
i just want to know how these power can be heroic.
A decent argument wouldn't include the sentence: So you think a terrorist who straps a bomb to their chest HEROIC?
Because you know the answer to that question already and it has no place in a discussion about HEROISM in a VIDEOGAME.
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I'm not good at giving advice, can I interest you in a sarcastic comment?
@Lyrik
Well this argument got out of hand.
Ladies and gentlemen, I would like to politely request you all delete your posts on the subject of my own statement, and I would like to apologize, for you see, I am an accidental internet troll. This happens because I tend to say things without thinking completely and these situations occured.
(You should have seen one argument I accidentally started by jokingly commenting that American comics must be superior since two guys published a book called: "Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga")
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Originally Posted by Clebstein
... I can come up with any circumstance I want. Maybe my Bruiser is pretty much near-immortal; The explosion takes him out of battle for a bit, but he can pop right back up not too much later.
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Because the Bruiser you originally summoned was black guy with a goatee, but the one you just summoned is a clean shaven white guy.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.
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I see falloutsurvivor has slotted his trolling enhancements.|
Originally Posted by falloutsurvivor
so you consider terrorist who strap a bomb to their chest HEROIC?
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He's just trying to use the term "terrorist" to bait someone into responding with a kneejerk response.
He's doing this because he can't refute any of the examples given that have easily explain heroic Masterminds so he's trying to pretend that the examples haven't been given.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
I see falloutsurvivor has slotted his trolling enhancements.
He's just trying to use the term "terrorist" to bait someone into responding with a kneejerk response. He's doing this because he can't refute any of the examples given that have easily explain heroic Masterminds so he's trying to pretend that the examples haven't been given. |
i said i AGREED with the reformed gang leader thing.
NOW we are talking about the detonator power.
i am not trolling.
you are.
and you just sent a knee-jerk response so i guess i win?
read my other post befor posting.
*pulls up an easy chair and reaches for his stockpile of nachos*
Oh yeah, the good life. 
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Originally Posted by poptart_fairy
But, Iunno. In before the parallels to Churchill or something. Maybe we can throw in a post on how the lack of influence at lower levels is on par with Haiti survivors. Something classy, like.
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you guy do realise.
that we agreed about the reformed gang leader idea.
we are currently talking about the detonator power.
that is in my mind quite not heroic but i CAN be wrong.
so befor calling me a troll see my other post.
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Originally Posted by falloutsurvivor
have you read my other post?
i said i AGREED with the reformed gang leader thing. NOW we are talking about the detonator power. i am not trolling. you are. and you just sent a knee-jerk response so i guess i win? read my other post befor posting. |
This guy strapped explosives to his chest once.
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Okay, I'll bite.
This guy strapped explosives to his chest once. |
It's ironic that things always get worse when I try to fix things.
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City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.
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It's ironic that things always get worse when I try to fix things.
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You aren't trying hard enough to fix it. :P
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Originally Posted by falloutsurvivor
you guy do realise.
that we agreed about the reformed gang leader idea. we are currently talking about the detonator power. that is in my mind quite not heroic but i CAN be wrong. so befor calling me a troll see my other post. |
So referring back to WWII as an example, you would consider the men and women that perpetrated acts of terror upon the occupying German forces and their supporters less heroic?
You see since they were fighting on our side we didn't call them terrorists. Instead we called them saboteurs and resistance fighters, even tho they used the exact same tactics we today label terrorism.
And we all have seen the movie scene where a dying soldier tells his buddies to go on without him because he'll only slow them down then after they leave he pulls the pins on his grenades and waits for the enemy to capture him. When they arrive he drops the grenades and blows the enemy up with himself.
And how about the film "The Flying Tigers" when the character Woody flew a plane loaded with explosives into a supply train.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
So referring back to WWII as an example, you would consider the men and women that perpetrated acts of terror upon the occupying German forces and their supporters less heroic?
You see since they were fighting on our side we didn't call them terrorists. Instead we called them saboteurs and resistance fighters, even tho they used the exact same tactics we today label terrorism. And we all have seen the movie scene where a dying soldier tells his buddies to go on without him because he'll only slow them down then after they leave he pulls the pins on his grenades and waits for the enemy to capture him. When they arrive he drops the grenades and blows the enemy up with himself. And how about the film "The Flying Tigers" when the character Woody flew a plane loaded with explosives into a supply train. |
i am agains't that label.
in my head terrorism is only when they kill non combatant.
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Originally Posted by falloutsurvivor
in my head terrorism is only when they kill non combatant.
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Well I RP my bruiser as an Animorphmagus who misused a Time-Turner and fell out of the Harry Potter universe into Paragon City. So there. :P
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Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
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Because the Bruiser you originally summoned was black guy with a goatee, but the one you just summoned is a clean shaven white guy. |
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Comic and Hero/Villain Culture
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