Waiting for Demon Summoning


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Ugh, if they allowed for full control over minion costumes.. can you imagine the entire crew of Paragon Studios running around as your Thugs?

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Desdemona is shown about to throw what looks like a fireball that changes color, maybe the whip is part of an attack chain, fireball, whip etc, or you have to keep whipping those demons to keep them in check , p.e.t.a will love that


 

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I hope it isn't as OP as thugs or bots. I don't want to be laughed at even further for having Ninja and Mercs MMs.
Sorry, but I got to this post and had to comment.
The problem is NOT Bots and Thugs.
The problem is that Mercs and Ninjas are underpowered, mostly thanks to stealth powers and pets NOT making for a good mix.

Buff the two, by all means. But damn well leave bots and thugs alone.


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Also, sorry but; HELL NO! to pets that turn on you. That sounds like the epitomy of 'Not Fun' right there. Especially given MMs are not good combatants solo, having a solo mission go backside up due to your own tier 3 pet tearing a limb off just sounds like fail incarnate.

That said, Im looking foward to them. Hopefully one of my Praet's will get to utilise them.


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Why would they only be fire based? I would think a combination of fire and dark. I do like the idea of Sonic - like those little beasties redside whose names I forget at the moment.

MM was the first redside toon I enjoyed playing (thugs/dark) so it will be nice to have an addition to them. Although now that Posi isn't in the final decision chair - I can haz clownzez neow? Demon clownzez even better. Rodeo clownzez would even pass...


 

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I hope the MM's attack from Demon Summoning is Fire Blast and not Whip Attack. If it's Whip Attack, well, then we're going to have the same problem with Thug MMs where MMs take the attacks simply because of the uniqueness of the attack. We'll wind up with tons of Whip Petless MMs.

I don't want to have to choose between a cool Whip Attack or a Pet on a MM; nor have to choose between Whip Attack or a Secondary power.


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I hope the MM's attack from Demon Summoning is Fire Blast and not Whip Attack. If it's Whip Attack, well, then we're going to have the same problem with Thug MMs where MMs take the attacks simply because of the uniqueness of the attack. We'll wind up with tons of Whip Petless MMs.

I don't want to have to choose between a cool Whip Attack or a Pet on a MM; nor have to choose between Whip Attack or a Secondary power.
It's already been stated that the whip is the MMs personal attack. So *shrug* Its not really our problem if people want to gimp themselves horribly by going petless.


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Why would they only be fire based? .
From the multiple times they've mentioned "elemental demons" and given Swap Ammo from DP, I'm betting that the demons will have some kind of optional powers - probably fire, ice, and earth. Maybe more.


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I hope MM whips have the crazy range that the Balrog whip has in LotR


 

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The whip is going to be fire/toxic damage, according to the Interview with WW on Tentonhammer. Interesting.


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It's already been stated that the whip is the MMs personal attack. So *shrug* Its not really our problem if people want to gimp themselves horribly by going petless.
Quite true. Also I located this back long ago when we had a joke thread about Bud Light's Real Men of Genius:

Mr. Petless Wonder Mastermind

Bud Light Presents Real Men of Genius
(Real Men of Genius)

Today we salute you, Mr. Petless Wonder Mastermind.
(Mr. Petless Wonder Mastermind)
You've just rolled your new Mastermind and equipped it with weapons but not with its greatest asset, the pets!
(Pets are for wimps!)
Dual pistols, bow and arrows, laser rifles and coming soon; flaming whips! You feel that you are ready to face any foe with no pets!
(My weapons are shooting blanks!)
You're fully prepared to solo to level 50 since you will be never be welcome on any teams!
(Kick this giiiimmmmpppp off the team!)
So crack open an ice cold Bud Light, Mr. Petless Wonder Mastermind as you enter the Guiness book of records for most deaths in an MMORPG!
(Mr. Petless Wonder Mastermind!)


 

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From the multiple times they've mentioned "elemental demons" and given Swap Ammo from DP, I'm betting that the demons will have some kind of optional powers - probably fire, ice, and earth. Maybe more.
This makes more sense and isn't limiting it to fire. I could be okay with that.


 

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I have a question for the complete collection pack and all does it come with all the booster packs as well?


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Also, sorry but; HELL NO! to pets that turn on you. That sounds like the epitomy of 'Not Fun' right there. Especially given MMs are not good combatants solo, having a solo mission go backside up due to your own tier 3 pet tearing a limb off just sounds like fail incarnate.

That said, Im looking foward to them. Hopefully one of my Praet's will get to utilise them.
hmm while your right i still like the idea of a tat or some sort of maybe living item that has some purpose. If the tattoo suppose to keep the pets under control then it better do something.

umm although i just realized something so we have tattoo's but the rest of the team does not does that mean that the demons would find them taster?


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Out of everything (yes, including going to an alternate earth), DS is what I have hungered for (I'm pre-ordering GR just for this set).

I understand the arguments about the perception that it's unfair that it's limited to MM, but with a lot of powerset proliferation MM have really been treated like the 'poor cousins' (usually only 1 set ported where other a/t had 2 or more each time) and haven't had a new powerset since I started playing over 3 years ago (in that time I've seen a few new sets go live for non-MMs, admittedly extended to multiple a/t).

As for the whip, I rarely take the personal attack power on any of my MMs, as they're often very weak (and I prefer to let the henchies do the fighting). I have my two vet attacks, which are often far more useful than the MM personal attack power. I may take it for novelty's sake, but I doubt it at this stage.

Touching on some themes in this thread - I think it's dangerous to speculate on the set based on a signature character's bio. We all know that signature characters powers, while similar in some respects, are not the same as the sets we have available to create characters.


 

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Quite true. Also I located this back long ago when we had a joke thread about Bud Light's Real Men of Genius:

Mr. Petless Wonder Mastermind

Bud Light Presents Real Men of Genius
(Real Men of Genius)

Today we salute you, Mr. Petless Wonder Mastermind.
(Mr. Petless Wonder Mastermind)
You've just rolled your new Mastermind and equipped it with weapons but not with its greatest asset, the pets!
(Pets are for wimps!)
Dual pistols, bow and arrows, laser rifles and coming soon; flaming whips! You feel that you are ready to face any foe with no pets!
(My weapons are shooting blanks!)
You're fully prepared to solo to level 50 since you will be never be welcome on any teams!
(Kick this giiiimmmmpppp off the team!)
So crack open an ice cold Bud Light, Mr. Petless Wonder Mastermind as you enter the Guiness book of records for most deaths in an MMORPG!
(Mr. Petless Wonder Mastermind!)
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one of the things that i really liked when i seen the NPC was the pet demon she had parasitically attached to her arm. photo here http://picasaweb.google.com/stephen....15249532835938

although i have not seen the tattoo idea im not sure how it could out do the parasitically pet demon. one of the things i hope is that the player gets something like that, why you ask because it would just be cool looking and people be like yep that a demon summoner.


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Especially given MMs are not good combatants solo
Had to cut in right here. Since when are MMs not good solo? Seems to me, especially after the new difficulty slider was added, solo is what MMs do best. With their ability to control who is attacked and when, as well as deal out some major debuffs, it makes sense that they are ideal for soloing. They don't usually have to worry about aggro when solo, they don't have to worry about toggles dropping due to an enemy getting killed prematurely (Dark Miasma). A solo build doesn't need the rez powers, so that right there makes it easier. They can control the pacing, so they can have the big debuff/buffs up when they are needed.

It's true of just about any MMO. Pet classes solo best because they are essentially their own team. Name one MM combo that not only will do better in a team setting, but will not be able to solo well. I guarantee you I can explain just how and why that MM would solo well.


 

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From the multiple times they've mentioned "elemental demons" and given Swap Ammo from DP, I'm betting that the demons will have some kind of optional powers - probably fire, ice, and earth. Maybe more.
If it was mostly fire........

Then Oni would be redundant.

Oni saves us from a lame MM demon with only fireball and rain of fire.

Not saying Oni is lame, just saying they have to come up with something else now, otherwise.....

meh...

is going to be the most excitement from me.


 

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Um Ninjas are fairly good i dont see why any one laughs at you or mercs but mercs are in need of an update and bots and thugs are not OP they all have there uses even zombies which you left out :P

and if they get leadership skills like thugs it wouldnt be specail would it?
I seem to remember something about the demons being elemental. Since the concept art all show them looking rather neutral I 'm guessing they'll be veritable elemental. Something like the ammo change with DP.


 

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From the multiple times they've mentioned "elemental demons" and given Swap Ammo from DP, I'm betting that the demons will have some kind of optional powers - probably fire, ice, and earth. Maybe more.
That would actually make a sort of interesting new take on MMs.

Say your base Demons are just some ugly buggers with Smash/Lethal Whips. But in come the t1 and t2 upgrades called something like "Imbue Elements" and "Imbue Energies". Now, you could pick between applying Fire/Ice/Earth with t1 pet buff, and Energy/Negative/Radiation with t2. Lets say I want my Minions to be Ice imbued so they can use Frozen Fists to stack some Slow on their target or maybe go Earth to give them Stone Fists to stack chances to Disorient, but I want my Lt to be imbued with the Fire element because Fire is the best damage upgrade, and finally maybe sometimes I either want my Boss to be Ice too because it gives him great control when he's stacking his slows with the cute little lasher demon minions or I imbue him with Fire so he can run in and start slashing his flaming whip around like a Balrog. Of course I give the minions and lts Dark, because the Light upgrades all suck, but the Boss is getting sweet sweet radioactive energy for the debuffage. I'm having to GOTO order the little dudes to stand over there while I imbue them so they don't accidentally splash onto the other pet and overwrite previous imbue upgrades with the one I'm casting on those minions...Now you're actually thinking about how you want your pets buffed and masterminding how you're rationing the buffs out, instead of just summoning the lot of them and dropping the 2 buffs on their heads.

Of course, it might just be as endlessly hair-pullingly annoying as the old "dur lets make MMs buff pets ONE BY ONE" terribad original design, and 99% of MMs just say "screw this, FIRE/DARK CLEANSES ALL! MWAHAHA BURN THEM, MY PRETTIES"


 

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Originally Posted by Nericus View Post
Quite true. Also I located this back long ago when we had a joke thread about Bud Light's Real Men of Genius:

Mr. Petless Wonder Mastermind

Bud Light Presents Real Men of Genius
(Real Men of Genius)

Today we salute you, Mr. Petless Wonder Mastermind.
(Mr. Petless Wonder Mastermind)
You've just rolled your new Mastermind and equipped it with weapons but not with its greatest asset, the pets!
(Pets are for wimps!)
Dual pistols, bow and arrows, laser rifles and coming soon; flaming whips! You feel that you are ready to face any foe with no pets!
(My weapons are shooting blanks!)
You're fully prepared to solo to level 50 since you will be never be welcome on any teams!
(Kick this giiiimmmmpppp off the team!)
So crack open an ice cold Bud Light, Mr. Petless Wonder Mastermind as you enter the Guiness book of records for most deaths in an MMORPG!
(Mr. Petless Wonder Mastermind!)
Oh man that is awesome!!