Powersets that you won't play?
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Posted on: 2010-02-05 14:34 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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I don't think GR will let you change from a Defender to a Corr, just let you be an evil Defender in the Rogue Isles. Unless you meant that you'll recreate, in which nvm.|
Originally Posted by Warkupo
Corrupters outclass them in every way. My sole Kin defender is very likely going to become a Corr just as soon as GR comes out.
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Defenders get higher de/buffs than Corruptors, so I don't think it's true to say that they outclass Defs in every way. While I've found those differences to be slight on a Kinetics, I've found them noticeable on a Rad.
@Fire_Minded: Yuck. You must be the most arrogant person ever. Just... yuck.
On topic: Oh gosh, there's many sets I won't play. Let's see...
Assault Rifle: I don't like the visuals, guns or anything from it for that matter. Just blergh.
Dual Blades: I don't like the combos or the animations.
Dual Pistols: While I like the animations, the whole gun thing isn't for me (see AR).
Earth Control/Assault: Feels slow and clunky.
Ninjitsu: Concept does not interest me in the least.
Sonic Attack/Resonance: I can't quite put my finger on why but it just feels "off" for me.
Stone Armor: The visuals (apart from Granite) can be nice with power customization now but the whole concept of Granite irks me. Not to mention the debuffs that come with it.
Traps: Bores me to tears. Ugly visuals.
Broadsword/Battle Axe/War Mace: Clunky animations. Feel too slow for my taste.
I'm sure there's a few more sets that I can't recall off the top of my head right now but these listed are the biggest "offenders" to me. I'm mostly about visuals and feel, numbers don't really bother me (I have SEVERAL 50s with Dark Blast) that much.
Edit: I forgot to add the WORST offender of them all:
Blaster Psychic Blast: The way this set was butchered and crippled for Blasters makes me sad. Psychic Blast is one of my favorite sets on Defenders. I hope it will one day (UNBUTCHERED!) find it's way to Corruptors.
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It took me a while to come up with something for Ice Armor, but I'm pleased with the effect. The character is dressed as an Ouroboros Mender, and her two costumes are identical except for one having a fire aura on it. When she armors up, I trigger a costume-change macro, and the ice armor plus the fire aura gives a pretty credible Pillar Of Ice And Flame effect.|
Originally Posted by NightshadeLegree
Ice Armor I'm having a really hard time with. It's the only powerset I can think of that completely obscures your character 99% of the time. Thorny Assault isn't quite so bad, but I've only had one idea I liked so far for a spiney character and I used that for... well, Spines. More a case of deciding on a costume that I like for that one I suppose
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The costume concealment from Ice Armor is actually pretty mild when it's just the armors, and is considerably better in that regard than a stony running multiple armors. In my opinion it's Icicles and Chilling Embrace that push it over the top to an indistinguishable spiky glowy block.
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Considering the vast ignorance his posts show, I'd have to agree.|
Originally Posted by Chazzmatazz
Then you were raised poorly.
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On topic, powersets that don't lend themselves to fast soloing will be ignored:
#1 Stone Armor: I've tried to use it several times. My brother's main uses it on his tank and yes, it's a great set for what it does, but for what it takes away, it becomes worthless to me.
#2 Psionic or Mental sets: I hate the sound effects. They give me splitting headaches, but only if I play the set. Having teammates use them doesn't bug me at all.
That's it for powersets. I'm locked out of several powersets that I probably would use because of the ATs that they are locked into.
Defenders and Tanks: Anemic damage output makes them poor for soloing.
Controllers and Stalkers: Just plain boring.
Be well, people of CoH.
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It also seems weird to spend 31 levels getting these other armors, which you will never use again after level 32.|
Originally Posted by Ghost Vision
Stone Armor: The visuals (apart from Granite) can be nice with power customization now but the whole concept of Granite irks me. Not to mention the debuffs that come with it.
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This is a set that desperately needs to be redone, but since so many players like it the way it is, the best we can hope for is a new "earth armor" set that gets rid of all the warts of Stone.
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Do I hear Colossus-style metal armor?
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Originally Posted by Rodion
It also seems weird to spend 31 levels getting these other armors, which you will never use again after level 32.
This is a set that desperately needs to be redone, but since so many players like it the way it is, the best we can hope for is a new "earth armor" set that gets rid of all the warts of Stone. |
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Theoretically that could be done with Willpower or Invulnerability and simply choosing a costume that looks the way you want. I for one don't want any more powers that make me look like a giant poop monster. Being able to design how my toon looks is so important to me, I never want to look like everyone else. Unless they will finally change Illusion to make copies of yourself or have a mastermind that does the same.
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Originally Posted by Tangler
Do I hear Colossus-style metal armor?
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I might reroll a Stone if they let me turn into a giant diamond monster.
my biggest issue with earth/ tanks is their mez resistance, it is just too slow, ice spoiled me for not having powers that severly reduce my speed, plus the over reliance on granite armor i find distasteful. I loved when they changed the graphics and added the magma and crystal effects, but being forced to either drag my feet, use teleport, or have a kineticist stuck in my pockets. beyond that i'm up for anything, though i tend not to play fire sets just because my friends tend to play fire and i like to play a different meshing set so that we don't overdo secondary effects, i like to spread them a round.
Energy Blast ANYTHING
My 2nd alt ever was a NRG/Dev and i played it off and on up to 48 before saying "no more" "done, done and done" if it weren't for kracken farming I would have never bothered getting it so high did have fun taking the concept and making a PB had even more fun making a Bots/Traps before it was FOTM.
Now if they could release an NRG rifle set without knockback or a "Light" ranged attack set without knockback that would be nice.
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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Defenders and Tanks: Anemic damage output makes them poor for soloing.
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Hi Bill,
I've got a SD/SS tank that is certainly not low damage!
Obviously damage is relative, you tend to be at the cutting edge so your expectations are high. I'm sure if you rolled an SD/SS Tank you would be pleasantly surprised.
In the scheme of the game and other ATs it does good damage and is highly survivable on a small budget.
L50s: Tanks: Cryofission - Ice/EM - Dr Celsius - Fire/Ice - Saint George - SD/SS | Controllers: Psichosis - Ill/Kin - Major Chaos - Ill/Stm | Scrappers - Neutron Crusader - DM/SR
Currently Levelling: Angelic Blade - BS/WP Scrapper | Seeds of Destruction - Plant/Kin Controller
Dual Blades.
I made one... liked it for a while . . . got it to almost 50 . . . but then got bored.
tap taptap taptaptap taptap taptap taptaptap tap taptap taptaptap tap taptap tap taptap.
Couldn't take the combos anymore.
I have severe altitis, playing several at a time, and switching in older alts, etc.
Sometimes It takes a bit of play to get back to my style for an older alt.
DB multiplies that rustiness by several times.
And when I do get back into the swing of DB style, I am bored again.
That will be the last DB I make.
tap taptap taptaptap taptap taptap taptaptap tap taptap taptaptap tap taptaptap tap taptap.
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I think I just havent got Rad blast on a Blaster.
It's to do with having enough toons already.
I only ever make characters because I fancied the concept and wanted to learn more about the powerset.
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While true, an SS/SD Brute would outdamage this to an obscene degree while still being survivable enough that there's not much point to sacrificing that damage for Tanker-levels of survival. While I'm sure there are some niche situations where a Tanker would be better, three of my Brutes are quite capable of soloing at x8 (two at +2/x8), and I've tanked for ITFs, LGTFs, and LRSFs with Brutes, so...
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Originally Posted by Psiphon
Hi Bill,
I've got a SD/SS tank that is certainly not low damage! Obviously damage is relative, you tend to be at the cutting edge so your expectations are high. I'm sure if you rolled an SD/SS Tank you would be pleasantly surprised. In the scheme of the game and other ATs it does good damage and is highly survivable on a small budget. |
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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I agree with you a Brute would outdamage a Tank.|
Originally Posted by Dispari
While true, an SS/SD Brute would outdamage this to an obscene degree while still being survivable enough that there's not much point to sacrificing that damage for Tanker-levels of survival. While I'm sure there are some niche situations where a Tanker would be better, three of my Brutes are quite capable of soloing at x8 (two at +2/x8), and I've tanked for ITFs, LGTFs, and LRSFs with Brutes, so...
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The point I was making is that an SD/SS Tank is not low damage or a slow soloer. I Soloed mine 75% or the time - +2/x8 from the mid 30's at good speed.
I levelled from 49 to 50 in 1.5 hours solo - running Radio missions.
Will a SD/SS Tank outdamage a Brute - No!
It is however very easy so softcap and it does solo very well.
For some one who wants to make a high damage alt that is extremely survivable without spending a bucket load of money it's a good option.
L50s: Tanks: Cryofission - Ice/EM - Dr Celsius - Fire/Ice - Saint George - SD/SS | Controllers: Psichosis - Ill/Kin - Major Chaos - Ill/Stm | Scrappers - Neutron Crusader - DM/SR
Currently Levelling: Angelic Blade - BS/WP Scrapper | Seeds of Destruction - Plant/Kin Controller
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Originally Posted by NightshadeLegree
So, is there any powerset that you just won't play?
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- Anything so team-focused that it cannot solo (Emps, Pain Corrs, Thermals, etc.)
- Kinetics Defenders
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I don't know about defenders, but /emp controllers can solo just fine, depending on the primary. The same is true of /thermal controllers, and they're actually a bit more solo-friendly thanks to their debuffs. You'll do better on a team, but it's not mandatory.
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Originally Posted by Harkness
- Anything so team-focused that it cannot solo (Emps, Pain Corrs, Thermals, etc.)
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Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
I dont use pen & paper to make a build, I use the power set description, the individual powers info chart by pressing the "Info" button during creation, and I make my choices by reading from there.Its acctually a very simple thing, and no, I will not get off Mid's.
Mid's is for people who have no imagination, or are poor at math, or possibly both. I find it funny that people have to sit down and chart out a character, or use Mid's for it, scratching there heads like monkies as if its Rocket Science. What I like about this game, that Mid's does not tell you, is the fact that not a single combonation is a poor choice to play compaired to any others within any given AT.Thats why alot of people call Fire Armor, and other sets like it weak, because they dont know how to use it, and gosh darnit!Mid's says its bad, or another player does.  So Mid' can take a flying leap.  If you dont like how I talk about Mid's, simply stop listening.You complain about my comment/s on Mid's and ill tell you exactly how I feel about it.Its that simple.  I was not raised to use Diplomecy, or use Tact.They are utter wastes of Time for our society to keep using them. |
calling people bad at math when you yourself claimed that perma hasten and AM could be achieved using only SOs is calling the kettle black. So please stop lying just admit your bad and every comment your make about others is actually just a comment about yourself.
I don't like team-only sets. Things like Empathy and Force Field are really bad for soloing and tend to turn you into a buff / heal bot on teams (I know a good Empath does a lot more than heal, but it's still all focused on your own guys)... I'd much rather play a debuff set for a Defender primary or a Controller / Corruptor secondary so I get to focus on the bad guys. I will play buff / heal sets on a Mastermind though since their whole playstyle involves focusing on the pets anyway... though even there I don't like FF because it adds no damage or debuffs so it's slow.
I also don't have the patience for Stone Armor... if I ever have the inf it throw away on a massive recharge build for an alt that isn't one of my main focuses I may try one but otherwise I'll continue avoiding them.
Probably the character I'm least likely of all to play is a FF / Electric Defender. Most boring primary plus worst blast set... <shudders>
Cascade, level 50 Blaster (NRG/NRG since before it was cool)
Mechmeister, level 50 Bots / Traps MM
FAR too many non-50 alts to name
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Fire Armor. The set has been obliterated for the niche it was supposed to have (lots of extra offense in exchange for defense). Still lacks KB protection. Burn is still only good for sets with a group immobilize. Fiery Embrace is arguably only worth getting if you take Fire Melee. Tier-9 is a rez (some people like that, but I just simply give them credit and respect).
For a set that Shield was supposed to be the defensive version of, I still feel like Shield Defense kicks Fire Armor in the groin. Electric Armor got some love after it was determined it needed it, what is going to take for Fire to get the same?
Energy Blast. Ugh, I still do not know to this day how in the world I managed to get a Kinetics/Energy Defender to 50. Unless you have a whole team concept dedicated to it or like to solo, knockaround seems to not be conducive to team play. I may not get to team a lot (Pinnacle at odd hours player), but when I do get to team, it is a shock, not an expectation, to play with a good Energy Blaster.
Admittedly, there are a few sets I have not played yet, but not just because I thought they were bad. I have actually played the above sets, and I would never recommend them to anyone else with the other options available.
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I won't be playing dual pistols unless they decide to do something about it having poor dps as well as lowering the animation and recharge time of Executioner's shot and Hail of Bullets. Because for a set that is supposed to be fast paced damage it is incredibly slow.
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Originally Posted by NightshadeLegree
Mostly a question for the altaholics I suppose.
I've recently rolled a lot of new alts, and amongst them I've been trying various powers I've never used. Stone Melee and Stone Armor I can finally face since Power Customisation now allows me to change the visuals I really disliked, and the same will be true of Spines. I've found Gravity more enjoyable than expected (though I still dislike Propel) and Trick Arrow is a lot more fun than it seemed on the power select screen. There's only two powersets I'm still hesitating over. Sonic Blast. For no better reason than I hate the sound effects. Empathy. Even on characters who team I like to know that they can solo, and Empathy is a horrible set for soloing. So, is there any powerset that you just won't play? |
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I was really thinking of Emp Defenders (since I've played 2 of them and no emp trollers), but I can only see it working well for a troller if you have a pet (or pets) that you can buff. Otherwise, it's still a set mostly looking to improve someone else and I wouldn't opt for it solo.
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Originally Posted by Ben_Arizona
I don't know about defenders, but /emp controllers can solo just fine, depending on the primary. The same is true of /thermal controllers, and they're actually a bit more solo-friendly thanks to their debuffs. You'll do better on a team, but it's not mandatory.
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Not a bad thought really. Between the 80% from rage and the 59.5% from saturated AAO, and another 95% from enhancements, you're riding, what... 165.5% or so from the damage cap for tanks? Certainly enough to solo comfortably and far easier to softcap than brutes and scrappers.|
Originally Posted by Psiphon
I agree with you a Brute would outdamage a Tank.
The point I was making is that an SD/SS Tank is not low damage or a slow soloer. I Soloed mine 75% or the time - +2/x8 from the mid 30's at good speed. I levelled from 49 to 50 in 1.5 hours solo - running Radio missions. Will a SD/SS Tank outdamage a Brute - No! It is however very easy so softcap and it does solo very well. For some one who wants to make a high damage alt that is extremely survivable without spending a bucket load of money it's a good option. |
That might be tolerable.
Be well, people of CoH.
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Conveniently, every troller primary except Mind Control gets a pet. |
Originally Posted by Harkness
I was really thinking of Emp Defenders (since I've played 2 of them and no emp trollers), but I can only see it working well for a troller if you have a pet (or pets) that you can buff. Otherwise, it's still a set mostly looking to improve someone else and I wouldn't opt for it solo.
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That said, I didn't have much trouble soloing with my ill/emp even before she got her Phantasm, but for a pure soloist ill/rad or ill/storm would have gone much more smoothly. I admit that when I think of "solo-friendly" I tend to think of "doesn't have problems playing solo" rather than "I will never be on a team, ever", so I don't mind having a few powers that don't see use solo if they're good enough when I'm teaming.
I am all about blasters, trollers, defenders and peacebringers i think the only sets i do not like are Assault rifle, devices, cold dom(hate that ice armor), and not a big fan of trick arrow. Have never tried sonic res but i will when i can create a hero corr for sonic sonic.