What was I thinking?


Blue_Yin_EU

 

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I was a fool. What was I thinking? I feel so tawdry.

I left here back in September for the brand-new shiny. I feel so soiled. That game...that game. It's like they took every gaming methodology in CoX and thought it would be a good idea to do the exact opposite. The commonality stops at the costume creator.

There was a reason that open power selection was dropped early in CoH's development because everyone ended up with similar OP builds. Hey guess what! That is exactly what happened in CO (I just wish I had realized it sooner, what a wasted 4 months....). There are a select few powers that work fantastic that everyone takes, ironically Regen is one of them (some things never change). But since its only a single power to nerf it would be to kill it. When a nerf hits a set here they can always balance with a buff to a different power in the set so the character isn't completely screwed.

Plus, they reversed the power dynamics so that to choose melee is to suffer constant defeats while range rules the roost. Here range is actually a defense because ranged attacks tend to be weaker than melee. But since heroes all gain health per level based off of their stats rather than their power sets you can have a melee-type that is significantly weaker than a ranged-type. It also doesn't help that the combat is twitch-based so if you are closer you get hit more which makes melee even worse. Thank god for the RNG here!

Most missions are open-world, the exact opposite of this wonderful game. I guess they wanted the world to look more active and dynamic, yet the missions become very samey very quickly because the environment and other heroes running around limits the mission structure.

Teaming functionality here is intuitive and very easy (barring a few minor tweaks). There its mostly just teaming with passing heroes for the occasional difficult encounter and then you go your separate ways.

Rather than a number of unique servers they have one server that is split into instances. This removes the flavour of separate communities since everybody smears together. I like the fact that Freedom is the busy server I can team on, that Virtue is a RP server when I feel dramatic, that Protector is my nice quiet west coast server for soloing. What's the difference between Instance #1 and Instance #2? Yeah I can't tell either .

And finally, the forums over there are sooo negative and toxic. There is simply no art at all to the debates. Whereas here I can read pages and pages of debates about XP curves, relative power comparisons, and the lack of love for villains (well at least until GR). Over there its hatred for the devs, hatred for the fanbois, hatred for the haters, etc etc etc. Funny thing is that the few forumites from here that I see over there are the most reasonable voices . And yes I mean even those that get harassed here (I'm looking at you Perfect_Pain).

I may not be able to run in UM mode with my 18 month old PC (only an nVidia8500 GT) but at least I can run at full graphics now with zero lag (and it looks damn good). Over there if I ran at full character detail I would invariably lag-die at least every few minutes, so the only way to run lag-free was to jack the graphics down to the point where it looked worse than running in low graphics here .

The finally straw for me was when it was decided that the first pay expansion was going to have very little to it. No point getting into details. But the only paid expansion here was an expandalone, and now I have read a few posts that GR maybe free?(Please correct me if I am wrong. I just gotta know!) I cannot think of a more opposite approach to promoting the health and popularity of your game.

I'd just like to apologize to the Devs here for the stupid decision to give my money to that lame game. I did pay for it by missing out on the loyalty badges and the 66 and 69-month badges *deep deep sigh*, that is my punishment and I accept it.

I never meant to rant on and on but after being back for 2 days I just had to get this off my chest. And I hope that I haven't broken any forum rules by mentioning "that other game".

P.S. STO sure seemed like just a re-skinning of CO when I played for a bit in the open beta.

P.P.S. Wouldn't it be ironic if I got flamed on these boards for hating CO?


My 50s:
Prime Minister MA/SR Scrap - Protector
Captain Hit-Guy DM/Reg Scrap - Freedom
Prime-Minister ILL/TA Troller - Freedom
Ultimate Minister Inv/SS Tanker - Freedom

 

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Nah your not going to get flamed.....your just a wayward child who has finally come home.


 

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WB. Takes a lot to admit you were wrong, and I applaud you
Thanks for that Zyphoid. Also a funny story, within 2 minutes of logging in the first time an old SG-mate msged me and turns out he left all my stuff in our base and all my heroes were still members *BG*. Now that's a community!


My 50s:
Prime Minister MA/SR Scrap - Protector
Captain Hit-Guy DM/Reg Scrap - Freedom
Prime-Minister ILL/TA Troller - Freedom
Ultimate Minister Inv/SS Tanker - Freedom

 

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IBTL!

P.S. Welcome back. They ALWAYS come back.


 

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Welcome back.


There are no words for what this community, and the friends I have made here mean to me. Please know that I care for all of you, yes, even you. If you Twitter, I'm MrThan. If you're Unleashed, I'm dumps. I'll try and get registered on the Titan Forums as well. Peace, and thanks for the best nine years anyone could ever ask for.

 

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Welcome Back!


Comic and Hero/Villain Culture
Saturday January 29th, 2005 (12:37 PM) ~ Monday August 9th, 2010
Those Who Lived It Will Remember Long after your Ban Hammer Crumbles and the servers flicker dead.
We Will Remember This One Moment In Time! ~ Shadow Ravenwolf

 

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BTW, CaptHitGuy, there is a thread about the Champions community abuse over in the Comics forum, which is about as off-topic as we get around here. I'm sure your unique perspective will be both appreciated and shared over there, too.

As for GR being free... GR will not be free. However, Paragon Studios has a lengthy history of free updates that will not be changing any time soon, and the content for GR doesn't appear to have been completely finalized yet. (At least, to us outsiders.) Yes, there was some talk about one or two GR features (IE Ultra Mode) being freely released in an update...but don't sweat that--we don't know anything yet. Could be some news this week, though.

Again, welcome back.


There are no words for what this community, and the friends I have made here mean to me. Please know that I care for all of you, yes, even you. If you Twitter, I'm MrThan. If you're Unleashed, I'm dumps. I'll try and get registered on the Titan Forums as well. Peace, and thanks for the best nine years anyone could ever ask for.

 

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See what I mean about the tone of the forums here vs. there?
Thanks guys!

Too bad about the free GR rumour but I still get free character transfers for the rest of the month and a bunch of new-ish power sets to play with (YAY Elec Melee!).


My 50s:
Prime Minister MA/SR Scrap - Protector
Captain Hit-Guy DM/Reg Scrap - Freedom
Prime-Minister ILL/TA Troller - Freedom
Ultimate Minister Inv/SS Tanker - Freedom

 

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Hey, if you didn't try other products, you wouldn't be able to appreciate how superior this one is.


 

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Originally Posted by CaptHitGuy View Post
Most missions are open-world, the exact opposite of this wonderful game. I guess they wanted the world to look more active and dynamic, yet the missions become very samey very quickly because the environment and other heroes running around limits the mission structure.
I do kinda miss open world missions from time to time (came from WoW). It kinda adds to the randomness of everything with other players running around, so even if you're playing solo it still feels like an MMO, soloing instanced missions makes CoX feel like a single player game sometimes.

The downside of course is that the missions (quests, whatever) got to be monotonous. "Go bring me 10 apples" at lvl 1 turns into "Go find me 10 stupidly named herbs" at lvl 60 and plenty of other "variations" the 58 lvls in between.

Anyway, welcome back!


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Usually playing one of the following toons blueside on Virtue:
Cadler 50 WP/SS tanker
Radubadu 46 Fire/Fire blaster
Hell Runner 35 Fire/Fire brute

 

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Welcome back. You know the real Dark Side has cookies and cake

And, while GR is not free, it was never expected to be. It was the 'First expansion pack'. Good news is that things like Ultra Mode are free, and I'm guessing there will be an I17 either with it or hot on its heels.


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Hey, if you didn't try other products, you wouldn't be able to appreciate how superior this one is.
Good point. Though wish I could have afforded to keep paying for this one at the same time (raising kids ain't cheap ya-know). Another funny story, when I filled out my exit survey for the game there was a question like "what would bring you back?" My replay was either COH2 or a new graphics engine, and now coincidentally...


My 50s:
Prime Minister MA/SR Scrap - Protector
Captain Hit-Guy DM/Reg Scrap - Freedom
Prime-Minister ILL/TA Troller - Freedom
Ultimate Minister Inv/SS Tanker - Freedom

 

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Originally Posted by CaptHitGuy View Post
Good point. Though wish I could have afforded to keep paying for this one at the same time (raising kids ain't cheap ya-know). Another funny story, when I filled out my exit survey for the game there was a question like "what would bring you back?" My replay was either COH2 or a new graphics engine, and now coincidentally...
Is it wrong that I'm smirking at the questionaire part?


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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

 

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Good point. Though wish I could have afforded to keep paying for this one at the same time (raising kids ain't cheap ya-know).
Yeah, I do know that, which is why I only play and pay for CoX. Fortunately, I can listen to the experiences of other players (like you!) who have tried other games--so far, it sounds like I've clearly made the right choice!


 

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Welcome back!

One of us! One of us!

Heh, I kid, I kid. No harm trying other games, it's just nice to see you know your way back home!


 

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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha View Post
Good news is that things like Ultra Mode are free
Yeah, I worded my part poorly. Whether you buy the expansion pack or not, you'll get Ultra Mode. I meant to indicate that Ultra Mode might be considered Live concurrent with GR, but that doesn't mean it is paid content. Again, worded poorly.

Techbot Alpha is similarly correct in that the dev's have a lot on their plates right now, including I17 and probably some footwork for I18. Both of which will still be wonderfully, gloriously...free.

(Although since they'll probably apply especially to GR, keep that in mind.)


There are no words for what this community, and the friends I have made here mean to me. Please know that I care for all of you, yes, even you. If you Twitter, I'm MrThan. If you're Unleashed, I'm dumps. I'll try and get registered on the Titan Forums as well. Peace, and thanks for the best nine years anyone could ever ask for.

 

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Welcome back into the Light!


to TO THE END!
Villains are those who dedicate their lives to causing mayhem. Villians are people from the planet Villia!

 

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Hehe, I just came back to CoX after playing Champs for a month (and before that many other MMOs, it's about a year and half since I played CoX).

There are lots of things I liked about CO, it's not exactly a total disaster (I think anybody could get their money's worth of fun out of the price of the game and a month's sub), and I still think it has potential; but because of the way the devs seem to be handling the game up till now, I'm dubious about it ever getting a chance to fulfil its potential - and, ironically, I think the only way it can fulfil its potential is to be a bit more like CoX, especially in the teaming department.


 

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CaptHitGuy--look at that neighboring thread. You can pick whether you want Ultra Mode or content first. Not much qualification of what the content is, but how's that vs. the old neighborhood?


There are no words for what this community, and the friends I have made here mean to me. Please know that I care for all of you, yes, even you. If you Twitter, I'm MrThan. If you're Unleashed, I'm dumps. I'll try and get registered on the Titan Forums as well. Peace, and thanks for the best nine years anyone could ever ask for.

 

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Originally Posted by CaptHitGuy View Post
P.S. STO sure seemed like just a re-skinning of CO when I played for a bit in the open beta.
Well, now you've made me indirectly interested in CO. I was actually expecting to try out STO, reject it and then ignore it, but it's sort of grown on me. Maybe it's the fact that I wasn't in Beta and AFAIK it hasn't had the nerfs CO had. Or, maybe it's just that it's Star Trek.

(Actually, I think it's there's something in the back of my head going, "Oh, Earth and Beyond, how I've missed you!" There's JUST ENOUGH similarity. I'm sure the disappointment will hit eventually though... )


 

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Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
Welcome home

You're just in time for a paid expansion here too
Not 'Free content but we're going to make you pay for it'.


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Originally Posted by Zwillinger View Post
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon View Post
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

 

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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha View Post
Not 'Free content but we're going to make you pay for it'.
Also, GR might have a few more zones and levels that Vibora Pay


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Originally Posted by Westley View Post

P.S. Welcome back. They ALWAYS come back.
I know of several people who said the same thing the OP said: "What was I thinking?"

What indeed. I wonder what the PvPers have to say.


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