Dev's and Game Mags

Do the devs read game informer? If so they should check out issue 201 and read up on wow article... esp the pvp bit... just someones opinion I personally like.

Happy holidays and everything to everyone.

You should read the article before replying

If you want people to read it, you should probably provide a link so that people can. And if it's print only.... Don't expect a whole bunch of people to run out and buy a magazine to read an article about a game that a lot of us have no interest in at best, or actively hate at worst.

Also, from Christmas to New Years, the devs are on holidays. BABs, who is the most prolific dev poster, hasn't logged in since Dec 20, last I checked. Casle has posted twice since their holiday started. None of the other devs have. Don't expect any of them to se this before the forum monster eats it.

Send a PM to the devs you think should read it. Posting here (in Player Questions, where players answer questions posed by other players) does nothing.

We can't tell you if they read Magazine A or Trash Rag Z. We also can't tell you if they will or won't. So your question is in the wrong place (if it's anywhere but a dev's PM box, it's in the wrong place.)

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I assume this is the article the OP mentioned. I'm linking it simply so if people want to debate about the merits, we all have access to the same reference material.

This is from a different Game Informer / Blizzard interview, I think, but it relates to storytelling issues I've been pushing for years now, so I'll post a quote and make a highlight here or there.

The online readable is missing the part I was refering to (its in a side blurb thing in the mag itself) which sounds very convient... also the side blurb is all I read.

I also agree with you konshu. Some of the older TFs where the story is basicly only told in text (im looking at you posi) compared to the ITF and such are like night and day in story telling elements. We need alot more interactive story.. that might be just me and konshu though...

Game designers do investigate each other. They borrow from each other. WoW has crafting, now CoX has Inventions(and better for it). CoX has Badges, now WoW has "Achievements"(*cough* badges). It happens all the time.

At the least, Master of Magic had it. . .

The flurry of "don't wannem to read stuff about WoW" is really amusing.

Professionals in most fields stay current on developments and general information in their fields. They read articles by other people in the their line of work. They are often knowledegeable about the history of previous developments in their field, as well as current state of the art, even in products that compete with their own.

Though the other article that has been linked also has very good points, after looking again at the one I was thinking of it is "The Evolution of Warcraft" by Adam Biessener. Here is the side blurb I was refering to.

Please read this post carefully, as it's intended to explain the reasons why CoH has such a problem with PvP.

There's a difference in basic game dynamic. City of Heroes has a cooperative dynamic, while World of Warcraft, Warhammer, etc, have an adversarial/competitive dynamic. In CoH, it's expected that players will cooperate for rewards, and everyone is rewarded somewhat equally; in WoW, you fight over them, and there are few winners of limited rewards.

That brings us to what players of other games have come to expect from PvP (and if you note, what some have been asking for in CoH):

1. Open-world PvP, so unsuspecting victims can be forced into PvP whether they want to or not. Or at the very least, forced PvP at a certain level, or on certain select servers. Some consider it a rite of passage to be ganked, or to gank someone who's new for an easy reward. In CoH this doesn't exist, unless someone gets curious and wanders into Siren's Call.

2. Reward for PvP that's unobtainable through any other means, and either gives bonuses far beyond what PvE rewards would be, or are required to complete certain tasks within the game. There are PvP recipes in CoH, but they aren't spectacular enough to draw enough "new blood" to PvP, and you can pretty much complete all the game content without setting foot in a PvP area.

3. "Cost" for victims of PvP. Have them lose an item, or money, or some sort of points that they will have to fight their way back to through hard work or more easily through PvP. This is an absolute no-no in CoH, due to its cooperative, rather than competitive, dynamic.

I don't believe PvP in City of Heroes will be accepted by those who have experience with competitive games until all three of the above conditions are met, which, because it violates the CoH dynamic, will never happen. PvPers will never be happy here.

The devs did an pretty good job trying to make PvP more accessible in CoH to the average player - but, once again, it's not what PvP oriented players are used to, and not what they will accept. Personally I think future efforts should concentrate PvP on the now abandoned arenas, and provide more exciting PvE content instead.