Are PvP drops actually helping PvP?

Not at all, I actually kind of like the current pvp and even liked the old one better, even though it had much bigger problems.

Its just that this thread has gone from PvEers wont PvP for the rewards, to they feel entitled to win, to they should have to wade through crap to get a chance to win, to if they they expect some kind of balance in the game they are whiney hot house flowers who want to drag PvPers down.

It may or may not be so, but this thred looks like pve,er has a chance to trade punches with Mike Tyson, and when he gets to the arena, instead of wearing boxing gloves Iron Mike has a 20lb sledge hammer in his hands. The pvpers just seem to be saying don't worry about the sledge you were going to lose anyway.

This part may actual be said. Lets go through the rest for fun.


While someone may get told their build needs work they won't ever get 'your power selections are crap' when having an even leveled conversation. This includes talking to pvp meanies like myself and barrier who are usually very helpful unless someone starts the smack talking first.




Reroll was a common answer to many questions in old pvp as, but only in high end. Pretty much any zone can be functional for zone play. Also this line as well of several of your post show how completely out of touch with anything remotely pvp related in this game. Just so you know fire control and empathy are two of the top sets. And if you would like I will go through and pull out all the other wrong stuff you have thrown out some time, just ask.


These things are all pretty well covere in any good build and if this 'pve' guy is digging deep enough there will be almost no issues with this.



If it takes you hundreds of hours to get a toon pvpable you are either lazy or a tard. Even with the ssk nerf it takes very little time to get a toon to 50. And as I have posted in this thread already you can make a very viable pvp build for 100 mil or less which is a mere drop in the bucket for a 50.


I doubt this is what people would tell them is fun about pvp with the way the rest of the convo goes. Most nights you can find good action in rv and kb in the arena plus a fair amount of 1v1s if you like. The killing badgers and farming fiteclubbers is merely abonus that goes with the real pvp.



Not very true either. Most of the nicer pvpers and get ready for this that includes black barrier all talk freely and friendly with each other. You have to be a real special person to get them(us) to talk down to you. As for the trash talk and stuff to get you off your game, if you do anything comepetively you know this part of ALL competition. As I said in a thread in the pvp section if they need coddling and hand holding pvp probably is never going to be for them anyways.



I think you either rarely pvp and have just twisted and distorted stories you have heard so much that you know believe this is what every day is like in pvp. Simply put you are wrong. Trash talk seldom goes blue and is actually more kindergarten in nature and pretty friendly ribbing for the most part.



There is also camaraderie and the challenge of something more than bonehead npcs to predictably whack at for hours on end. If you think pvpos are the only draw why was pvp so much stronger before they came into being?


the stuff contained in the {} covers more of your core issues with this than anything else you have posted. Its is truly amazing how you can only see the best on one side and only the worst on the other. Fact of this game at the moment is pvp is in a very down state but those of that are left are incredibly patient and insightful. Especially to anyone who take the time to ask and in particular listen. We aren't out there 'wrekin noubs' and running them off. After many duels and matches there is almost always good back and forth with the newer players explaining how theny can improve and what the can change up. If you think its crazy to repsec for pvp you should have been a pvper for a long and having to respec at least 1-4 toons every patch that changed powers and sometimes even more than that. What pvpers do is not easy, but we do enjoy it that is why we are there. No amount of adding pvpos or any kind of rewards will make people enjoy it, that is where the true problem lies in this game. Its a game created in the pve world for you to always be better than your enemy. A very large portion of people play this game just for that reason, its fun and easy in pve. It is very hard to get someone who likes the game for those reasons to want to move to a harder area with more losing. This is no blame of pvpers or even the devs for that matter. Its just human nature and nothing we will ever change. The only real way they could deal with it is try to draw in entirely new players who seek more competitive game play. As this is an old mmorpg I doubt they would ever consider sinking that amount of investment into it.



let me grab the last one for mac


This game was changed to cater to people who thought the system was a combination of to fast and favored the older players with superior builds. Neither of these were actual true. Sure in old pvp there needed to be some tweaks and changes. So many in fact that the pvpers all got together and made a huge f'n list about it. Instead of those chages we got the i13 pvp. All those changes really did was slow down kill rates, not because of skill or build just by lowering damage and raising resistance. So all they really did was create a bit of an illusion that the bad players were doing better. The farther we get from old pvp and the more people we get who have only played with the new system the more you hear the same kind of complaints about this pvp imbalance wise. So seeing we had a whole system changed to make people happy with pvp who either still don't pvp or are still really bad at it I would say that is pretty much dragging us down.



In closing Another_Fan, I highly recommend you actually go get some pvp experience and interact with actual pvpers before trying to represent as you know all with that area. You have made so many incorrect and biased post in this thread that it boggles my mind.

in response to a question about SR.

And one from you

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Well we have had the word need redefined recently, why don't you lay out what you mean by functional ?
I actually have no real idea how long it takes me to get a toon to 50, I actually play them for the enjoyment of playing them. While there are many things, I don't like about the game there are many I do. The fastest I can recall getting a character to 50 was during the AE speed craze and he was logged in with a friend to pad out the farms.

I do know people that have their characters in mid levels for months or years and I would hardly call them lazy tards.

If you can please link to your 100 million pvp build, I am not up for punching at air.
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I play a few times a month. If there is an event run by perc, or if there is something going on with the more sportsmanlike players. Or if I happen to be badging in a pvp zone and there is still someone there. Its enough to have the joy of people encourage all sorts of things.

I think everyone agreed that PvP 1.0 was a better game and the PvP 2.0 changes were not an improvement. The question are PvP drops helping PvP and the implied why or why not ?
You have to tell me what you think my core issues are ? I know many people that just don't want to get involved in the pvp community for some or all of the reasons I presented.
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What I have been saying is no one should have to go through that kind of agita just to pvp.

What I have been getting back is people saying if newbies don't get the pain we had to go through, and we don't get to wail on them with the that extra edge above skill, it devalues our accomplishments.

To that I say, don't be surprised that people aren't flocking to the arenas, and the devs are deaf to your concerns and have a very localized case of alzheimers about anything they may have said concerning them.
I see lots of reasons people play this game, but all I can say with certainty is that it is my opinion that your description of why the majority of people play this game is at best inadequate.

I enjoy your circular nature, continue to bite you tail and make yourself look even more foolish; are you el chido's forum acct?

how bad is it that i get all nostalgic when i read this?

My stalker remembers wiping stone tankers during sig hero raids with 2 reds, and I mean I almost 3 shot them with EE up, was so hawt

Just for reference Circular as in Circular logic, refers to having the conclusion as the premise. Hope you will be able to use the word properly in the future.

Jesus. Where can I buy whatever you're smoking? It's gotta be hot.

Too much from just this one thread, have to settle for the highlights.

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Hey you want people to wade through a pile of crap, to pvp, because having gear and using it against someone who doesn't over and over until they wade through that pile of crap is your idea of achievement, well and good. Me I look and say everytime you put odious barriers in the way of a goal, less and less people will try to get to the goal. Your only response seems be bbbbbut this is an MMO they should want to.

I believe it should be phrased more like "But this is a MMO, that is how MMOs work."

Personally I accept the fact that if I want to have every advantage I can get my hands on, I need to work my way up. The first thing I did was to identify the multiple ways to do that, and then chose the one that I found most enjoyable.

Myself, I like Market PvPing for the plain fact that I am lazy. Making roughly 50mil a day while only having to log on for 5 minutes a day makes me giggle every time I think about it. If you don't find that enjoyable there's always doing things that will give you merits (Note: Not saying speed TFs. Running TFs the regular way grants the same amount of Merits per run.) so that you can directly buy or roll for the enhancements you want. If farming is your thing, racking up the inf (Or drops to sell for inf) can get you your sets as well. In short, there are a variety of choices including many I did not list. If, however, there are no choices that interest you I would recommend trying to come up with suggestions for the developers on how to implement content that you can have fun with while working for the 'gear' you desire.

With 50mil/day income I can easily IO a toon out in no time, however there are a cornucopia of toons that don't even need basic IO slotting to function. My Thugs/TA Mastermind can wipe the floor with nearly any person he comes across in zones and he doesn't even have a full set of SOs! While he doesn't have as much offensive might, my Bots/Pain Mastermind has much higher staying power and can stay alive against the onslaught of most any strong single opponent and a lot of times multiple weak opponents. He doesn't even have any -KB IOs. My DM/Willpower Stalker has 2 sets of Crushing Impact and SOs and still does incredibly well. My point being: Yes 'gear' matters, however it didn't matter enough to me to add IOs (Or more than a couple) to the majority of my characters.

To the Topic...

I agree. I find it much easier to accumulate wealth then buy them. (Usually off my friend who has surprising luck with PvP drops.)

The problem is that the devs need to find an equilibrium to the drop rate which will entice the populace in, while still keeping them 'rare.' At a 1 drop for every 2 kills rate people would swarm the zones to get PvP IOs (Who cares if you suck. If you even get 1 kill there's a 50% chance to get an IO). However at a 1 in 200 drop rate (What it is apparently at now) people, for the most part, won't bother trying. While I believe an equilibrium can be found...that's not exactly one of the devs strong points from my perspective.

I think something that would help is the suggestion about PvP IOs dropping when you're defeated as well as when you score kills. That way even if you're getting the tar beaten out of you, you're still potentially making progress towards a reward.

Just out of curiosity, how much less willing would you be if it it took you considerably longer ? Just how willing do you think other people would or should be ?

50 mill a day isn't enough if you're just market pvping.

50 mill a day means 20 days to a billion. a billion will buy you half a set of apocs; and lets not even talk about pvp ios.

just saying.

That sounds like "buy it nao" prices for Apocs.

What sort of goals make 1B in 20 days "not enough"? You can buy a lot of IOs for that kind of money, including some purple sets. What performance goals are you trying to meet in under 20 days? For how many characters?

Edit: The above isn't intended to suggest incredulity or act as leading questions. I'm genuinely interested in the answers.

same performance goals that any pvper on a squishy should be wanting to meet: 1500+ hp, 41+ kb prot, and at least 50% recharge.

generally speaking, 1 billion buys a third to half of that, if you aren't gimping your build.


but it's ok, cause DR fixed pvp.

Apparently PvP drops only actually help forum PvP.

Speaking of droppings, I'll be posting the prize list including door prizes on the main thread tonight. Some of those droppings will be PvP IOs.

Carry on.

Only because blessing get so pricey. And the pvpos are another expensive kn protection bonus. Seriously though you only need the 41 if you play in arena or on freedom a lot. If you are on a different server you can probably get by with about 10-15 less. And honestly if the zone is slow enough you can get by with even far less. Kb is only a death sentence if ther is enough players or good enough players to close a spike on a kbed target.

What were people saying about PvP build requirements ? I forget.*


*That is sarcasm

Edit: Just a note on that, I finally got the ski slope badges , Combat jumping, swift, hurdle and superspeed ftw. Somebody has to tell me what the skill and achievement were in picking the required powers in a build or where the great joy should have been for the people being chain teleported. ( I am guessing that worked for them, I wasn't in the chain)

No, actually, you are the one mistaken, however, it is completely possible that the phrase is a local phrase, or a phrase simply unknown to those outside the psychological proffession. It is however, something I enjoy using, so continue to nit-pik.

Either way, It still doesn't change the fact that you pretty much have shown 0 understanding of pvp as a whole. So arguing, or even reading ur posts is slightly amusing; however, continue posting, it makes the thread funny.

Is the ski slope comment also in jest? I manage to get all 3 badges with Super Speed only, although the jump pack temp power from the bank missions came in handy to even get better times.

PS. Final prizes are up for the costume contest.