Corruptor vs Blaster


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I've been playing on and off since about issue 5 and have mad many heroes and villains. Only a few at lvl 50, mainly heroes. But I have never touched the blaster AT pasted lvl 10. Mainly because they dont really have anything that helps to keep them alive (heals, resistance, defense ect). I know this works for a lot of people, but it doesn't work for me.I know I can dip into the power pools, but I've found heal self to not be that useful.

I dont know much about or really care for numbers that much, but from what I can tell, Corruptors have blaster primaries with defender primaries (or controllers secondary), while dominators have controller primary and blaster secondary.

I was wondering how corruptors play a role in teams and soloing. I'd most likely go the path of kinetics because its a lot of fun for me. I assume blasters do more damage, but do corruptors do more damage than defenders and dominators?

This feels like a silly thread to start, so sorry in advance, lol.


 

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While they have similar sets, I personally do not place ATs in the same group with any other. They all play differently regardless even if corruptors sets look like reverse defenders. My Rad/Ice defender feels nothing like my AR/Rad corruptor. Corr damage at base mod do more damage than defenders and less damage than blasters. But you plan to go with kinetics so when you grab fs, you'll end up doing more damage than blasters.

Hope this helps

Oh and just an fyi, doms don't have blaster secondaries. They have Assault sets which are a mix of ranged and melee attacks. These assault sets are unique to dominators.


 

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Blasters can be fun if you have enough green inspirations to make them work. I've only ever had one. According to my bro, mine is one of the hardier kinds (elec/fire), but I still miss the healing ablilities that the Corruptor has.

I see the Blaster AT as one that lives or dies by the words "the best defense is a good offense". Corruptors tend to be hardier than Blasters simply because they have other means of slowing the enemy's drain on their health bar. Since I primarily play ranged characters, Corruptors are ideal for me; I hardly ever get into melee range with my Blaster, and it helps to be able to heal/buff/debuff.

You asked if the Corruptor does more damage than a Defender or a Dominator. I can say for sure that Corruptors do more damage than Defenders, if only because Corruptors have the Scourge inherant (chance for double damage that increases as target's health decreases). I'd have to check the numbers regarding Corruptor damage vs. Dominator damage, but I personally prefer to play Corruptors over Dominators so that I can heal &/or buff myself &/or debuff the enemy.

You mentioned that you would probably go with the Kinetics secondary on a Corruptor, which would increase your damage output via the use of Siphon Power and Fulcrum Shift. In my experience, Kinetics can be aggravating on a Corruptor, especially when trying to keep an enemy out of melee range (since this practically renders Transfusion useless). That's probably just a matter of playstyle, though.

Corruptors tend to be welcome on teams, mostly for their heals/buffs/debuffs, but also for their ability to do damage at range and 'pull' an enemy if necessary. They also tend to do well solo as long as the difficulty isn't set too high. I've never had a problem with them, either solo or on teams, and I find them to be a thoroughly enjoyable AT.

I hope that this lengthy post helps answer your questions, and that you won't think that I'm being too much of a know-it-all. This is mostly my personal experience with the AT's mentioned (along with that bit from my brother), so it may not apply. Either way, I hope it helps.


 

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Originally Posted by Lucretia_MacEvil View Post
You asked if the Corruptor does more damage than a Defender or a Dominator. I can say for sure that Corruptors do more damage than Defenders, if only because Corruptors have the Scourge inherant (chance for double damage that increases as target's health decreases). I'd have to check the numbers regarding Corruptor damage vs. Dominator damage, but I personally prefer to play Corruptors over Dominators so that I can heal &/or buff myself &/or debuff the enemy.
Defenders have a 0.65 damage modifier, Corrupters have 0.75 (so a little bit more even discounting Scourge), Dominators have 1.05 Melee and 0.95 Ranged.


 

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Thanks everyone. This answers my question(s).


 

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If you want to solo much on a /Kin corruptor, I'd recommend Sonic/. Or if you don't like that, Ice/. A /Kin corr tends to be lacking in solo survivability; a control/debuff heavy primary helps that.


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Originally Posted by Obscure Blade View Post
If you want to solo much on a /Kin corruptor, I'd recommend Sonic/. Or if you don't like that, Ice/. A /Kin corr tends to be lacking in solo survivability; a control/debuff heavy primary helps that.
Nice suggestion. If you want to do blaster lvl dmg, I would go fire blast. I love my fire/kin. (S)he is a blast and feels very powerful. True, there aren't many things you can do to mitigate incoming dmg, but you sure do kill stuff quickly.


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As a veteran blaster player, let me say that blasters can play very differently from one another. Some are steady but safe soloers (AR/Dev) to pure glass cannon (Fire/Fire), while most fall somewhere in between.

My Ice/Ice blaster plays like a pocket debuffer with slows, holds. My AR/Mental plays a lot like a regen blaster with the ability to gain back health/endurance recovery and then launch AoE after AoE. The electric/electric I had back in the day blasted very little and mostly meleed stuff (wish I would've kept her since IOs would have added a lot of needed defense)

My advice is to try out a few different versions. They definitely don't play the same from one another.

One odd observation I've noticed about corruptors/blasters is that corruptors tend to be more team oriented in the beginning and become very strong solo later in their careers (it's that way with thermal for example with melt armor coming at 38). Blasters are strong soloists at the beginning of their careers, but later on become more team dependent (not that they can't solo, but they shine where other hero ATs can cover up weaknesses).


 

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Originally Posted by Fury Flechette View Post
As a veteran blaster player, let me say that blasters can play very differently from one another. Some are steady but safe soloers (AR/Dev) to pure glass cannon (Fire/Fire), while most fall somewhere in between.

My Ice/Ice blaster plays like a pocket debuffer with slows, holds. My AR/Mental plays a lot like a regen blaster with the ability to gain back health/endurance recovery and then launch AoE after AoE. The electric/electric I had back in the day blasted very little and mostly meleed stuff (wish I would've kept her since IOs would have added a lot of needed defense)

My advice is to try out a few different versions. They definitely don't play the same from one another.

One odd observation I've noticed about corruptors/blasters is that corruptors tend to be more team oriented in the beginning and become very strong solo later in their careers (it's that way with thermal for example with melt armor coming at 38). Blasters are strong soloists at the beginning of their careers, but later on become more team dependent (not that they can't solo, but they shine where other hero ATs can cover up weaknesses).
This. One of the things that has kept me with CoH's all these years is the fact that even though sets are within the same AT they can have a totally differant feel, unlike say, our 12 million subscribed competitor where a mage is /allways/ a mage.

However, on a basic level the major difference between Corrs and Blasters is you are trading off sheer offensive power for defensive potential, some exceptions apply of course. ((fire/kin corrs are frighteningly powerful, blasters can only dream of their offensive potential solo))

Course, all this goes out the window when you toss in typed defense and set bonuses. That glass cannon just turned into a tank..



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While Blaster damage is much higher than Corr damage, blasters bring nothing but damage to a team. Corrs bring much, much more.

I would rather have damage and buffs/debuffs which enable the entire team to do more damage than just more damage. That's personal preference though.


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Given the choice between a team full of Blasters, a mixed team of Blasters and Corruptors, and a team full of Corruptors, I'd more than likely take the team of Corruptors. Blasters just bring damage, while Corruptors bring damage and extra defensive or offensive potential - on a team of buffing ATs (Defenders, Controllers, Corruptors, and even MMs), the whole will very often be greater than the sum of its parts.


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I'm a fan of both ATs, personally (I'm a fan of any power set with ridiculous damage).

From personal experience, I believe Corruptors to be more "fun". When considering raw damage, Corruptors aren't nearly as powerful as Blasters (but much, much more powerful than Defenders). However, Corruptors tend to get cooler toys to play with. The buffs/debuffs from their secondary gives Corruptors added damage, which, in the long run, I believe makes them more powerful than Blasters. They do this by either out-living the Blaster, or by debuffing the crap out of the enemy, or by buffing themselves.

I actually have a Fire/Cold Corruptor that I've built for pure offense and survival. She doesn't have any of the Cold Domination Shields. With her, I can easily rival any generic Blasters out there, and she's just so much fun to play with!


 

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Originally Posted by Slaughter View Post
I've been playing on and off since about issue 5 and have mad many heroes and villains. Only a few at lvl 50, mainly heroes. But I have never touched the blaster AT pasted lvl 10. Mainly because they dont really have anything that helps to keep them alive (heals, resistance, defense ect). I know this works for a lot of people, but it doesn't work for me.I know I can dip into the power pools, but I've found heal self to not be that useful.

I dont know much about or really care for numbers that much, but from what I can tell, Corruptors have blaster primaries with defender primaries (or controllers secondary), while dominators have controller primary and blaster secondary.

I was wondering how corruptors play a role in teams and soloing. I'd most likely go the path of kinetics because its a lot of fun for me. I assume blasters do more damage, but do corruptors do more damage than defenders and dominators?

This feels like a silly thread to start, so sorry in advance, lol.
For /Kin I'D really recommend AR/ as primary. I had a AR/Kin corruptor back in the days and it was godly. Drop a Fulcrum Shift together with a Full Auto is crazy. Add a flamethrower on top of that. Crazy! That kind of damage output is very appreciated in team. Might not be the best soloer though.


 

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For /Kin I'D really recommend AR/ as primary. I had a AR/Kin corruptor back in the days and it was godly. Drop a Fulcrum Shift together with a Full Auto is crazy. Add a flamethrower on top of that. Crazy! That kind of damage output is very appreciated in team. Might not be the best soloer though.
Forgive me, but Ar/kinetics may offer a very good AoE arsenal, but it is a difficult pairing, and could be avoided in favor of more complementary primaries. Kinetics demands up close/personal for most of it's buffs to hit the caster. Assault rifle is mostly cones, which involves standing back enough for the damage spread to hit all enemies, so for full potential, users must run cluse enough to buffs, run out to blast.

Add in the fact that kinetics is click heavy, you will end up redrawing your gun often to attack.

More complimentary sets include radiation blast, which has a PbAoE and a thrown radial AoE, is good as you blast in the range you buff from. The debuff helps the buffs to hit as well. Fire blast has radial damage, and a rain to throw around as you pull back to use the cone. If you can take the in/out mechanic, sonics helps by making your buffed attacks hit harder, while dark blast can hold groups together via tentacles for better groupings.

This is, of course, the bare-bones mechanical aspect. If you have a cool story/character for AR/kinetics, good on you.


 

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The difference between Blasters, Corruptors and Dominators really boils down more to attack selection than damage modifier. Blasters and Dominators really seem to do more damage than you would think because of their ability to get "up close and personal" and slam a powerful melee attack into the foe. Corruptors, on the other hand, can buff their damage to get better results, and are much hardier. They take a lot more time and effort doing other things than blasting, but the bad guys still end up dead. (er, defeated)

Corruptors and Blasters do more AoE damage at range. (And Corruptors are more likely to survive doing that, solo ) Blasters and Dominators really become damage monsters when you get them in melee, although of course that's increasing the risk. If you take the three of them at range they're actually pretty similar (the Dominator's really the weakest there, although it can add its damaging holds to the mix) where they differ is what they do after they've "softened up" the foe at range.

And I will add that I don't really agree that Corruptors and Defenders are all that different. It depends on the build, of course, but outside of Scourge a good, offensive based Defender (meaning a Primary that boosts damage) will be very close to a Corruptor. The Corruptor will do more base damage, but the Defender will have a better boost, so the end result, as long as you've got that +Dam/-Res to start with, is the same. The advantage of Scourge is that it really helps the Corruptor finish off a foe when he needs it most, when he's close to running out of End and HP. If it's all about what you do after you "soften up" the foe, then the Defender is the one who doesn't really do anything but keep that up until the foe's dead.


 

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Blasters dont do enough damage in my opinion to justify the squishieness they get. The lie that range is a blasters defense will just end up getting you killed since everything can out range you even with boost range. I been playing a few other MMOs and see how easily their range classes survive because the range as defense actually works in most cases. As for as corrupters go, the damage is just too poor for my tastes for solo play. For groups blizzard is the only reason to go as a corrupter since its the blaster version with scourge. The defensive capability corrupters and defenders get dont justify the piss poor damage either. Finally we get to doms. Prior to the recent changes I would have said they werent worth mentioning but post damage buff they are one of the most awsome ATs in the game to me. No matter what primary or secondary you choose you can now solo just about everything short of an AV scaled down to an elite boss. Unfortunately thats the real problem they have in the 40s and the drop a mission thing is every 3 days. Sigh... But outside of that doms are great if you want good damage for solo play with good survivability.


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Originally Posted by Fury Flechette View Post
One odd observation I've noticed about corruptors/blasters is that corruptors tend to be more team oriented in the beginning and become very strong solo later in their careers (it's that way with thermal for example with melt armor coming at 38). Blasters are strong soloists at the beginning of their careers, but later on become more team dependent (not that they can't solo, but they shine where other hero ATs can cover up weaknesses).
I agree, and think that it's fairly-true as an overall blue-side / red-side comparison. I'm pretty sure it's deliberate.


 

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If you want to solo much on a /Kin corruptor, I'd recommend Sonic/. Or if you don't like that, Ice/. A /Kin corr tends to be lacking in solo survivability; a control/debuff heavy primary helps that.
I have a Rad/Kin corruptor and have had many blasters. I had more trouble surviving solo with the /Kin corruptor than any of my blasters, mainly because Rad/Kin doesn't have much in the way of mitigation (pretty much only Cosmic Burst, which is a stun). My blasters have all had some fairly reliable mitigation: holds for Ice and electric, KB and sheer damage for my Fire/Energy, sleep and stun for Sonic/Energy, sleep/stun/immobilize/KB for Psy/MM, and so on.

Recently I sold a Ragnarok purple recipe and used the profit to increase the defense on my Rad/Kin to something respectable. For about 100 million I was able to get 42% S/L, 46% Energy and 37% Ranged defense (by taking Scorpion Shield, Tough, Weave, Web Envelope with four-slotted Enfeebled Operation, two six-slotted Obliterations, Steadfast Pro: -KB and +def, etc.). The character is much more fun to play now, and is able to solo decent-sized spawns. If I had a do-over with this character, I think I'd go with Fire/Kin or Sonic/Kin, as the damage always seems kind of anemic. The -Def secondary effect isn't all that useful with IOs because you wind up getting 30-50% extra accuracy.

I also have a Fire/Dark corruptor and she has immense survivability, great damage, and a huge -regen power (which is useful for taking down AVs and GMs), for a much smaller investment than the Rad/Kin. She has 46% Ranged defense and many ways to keep enemies at range.


 

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Blasters dont do enough damage in my opinion to justify the squishieness they get.
I can understand that impression. In the current game, the other ATs have received tweaks and boosts that make a Blasters damage-output seem less impressive and their squishiness more noticeable.

However, in the current game, most Blasters can soft-cap one way or another, so they're really not that squishy anymore either.

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The lie that range is a blasters defense will just end up getting you killed since everything can out range you even with boost range.
That's not at all my experience. I've never had anything but a Malta Sniper even see an incoming snipe before it's taken a hole out of them, and my ranged PCs frequently play distance-games with the NPCs.

If you're in-range when the attack was launched, it may well hit you after you've moved out of range, but that goes both ways in the game and it's just something to account for.

If you want to be damn-sure you're always getting the first hit, slot a Stealth proc into Super Speed and run around invisible.

But more importantly, I think you missed what people mean by saying that "Range is a Blaster's defense".

Of the three types of damage, Ranged attacks are typically less damaging than Melee attacks. By keeping yourself at range, you're limiting the damage directed at you.

In a team, a Blaster that lives in close-range will face those more-damaging Melee attacks and any AoEs being tossed around, whereas a Blaster that hangs back and lives in Ranged will only face a fraction of the damage.

Of course, if you only play solo, then you'll still face the AoEs and have people charging in for melee, so the advice becomes less relevant.

I'm not going to compare this MMORPG to another one because I think there's far too many differences and subjective preferences involved in that.

However, I think this MMORPG has always pitched Blasters as glass canons. If you want to escape that flaw, the changes to Defiance and ability to softcap have given you that option to a large extent.


 

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And I will add that I don't really agree that Corruptors and Defenders are all that different. It depends on the build, of course, but outside of Scourge a good, offensive based Defender (meaning a Primary that boosts damage) will be very close to a Corruptor. The Corruptor will do more base damage, but the Defender will have a better boost, so the end result, as long as you've got that +Dam/-Res to start with, is the same. The advantage of Scourge is that it really helps the Corruptor finish off a foe when he needs it most, when he's close to running out of End and HP. If it's all about what you do after you "soften up" the foe, then the Defender is the one who doesn't really do anything but keep that up until the foe's dead.
I'd agree that many Corruptors and Defenders seem like they can be played quite similarly, but I always find myself leaning towards the play-style of the AT. My Defenders always seem to end up more focused on keeping the team stronger and my Corruptors are more focused on the kill.

Example: Dark/Kin Corr vs Kin/Dark Def in the last few seconds of mopping up an enemy mob. My Corr would attack, taking advantage of Scourge. My Def would probably try to get a Transference out to boost the Endurance-depleted team-mates and/or make sure SB is still running on everyone.

These differences are usually quite distinct by the time I'm hitting 50 and have all of my power pools, patron/auxiliary powers, and I'm figuring out my IO sets.

With Mace Mastery, any Corruptor can be looking at the S/L softcap and a ridiculous to-hit with Focused Accuracy. Corruptors can always get pets and always have Scourge, and so their damage output will always be noticeably higher and more relevant to the team than a Defenders.

That said, when selecting team-mates, I actually prefer Defenders to Corruptors, Controllers, MMs or Dominators. Defenders tend to focus more upon their buffs and debuffs, and that's really the "open secret" to tearing apart the PvE content.

(Every time I've built or lucked-into a PuG that has a good tank and seven complimentary Defenders, we've slaughtered our way through the mishes/TFs.)

Of course, a good player playing their AT well trumps everything else, but I do think that the differences between Corruptors and Defenders are strong enough that while they could be played similarly, they probably won't be.


 

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(Every time I've built or lucked-into a PuG that has a good tank and seven complimentary Defenders, we've slaughtered our way through the mishes/TFs.)
Any team with 3 or more Defenders is most likely unstoppable. Degenerate cases (like stacking 3+ FF Defenders) may be exceptions, but it's a solid general purpose rule.


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you know, i think blasters dont have enough cannon for the glass part..

i mean, scrappers/brutes/corrs/doms can *approach* their level of damage, while having much more disproportionate levels of defence, whether it be from a armor secondary, or just migitaion via debuffs/control

I mean, who cares if the blaster does 270 dps, while the scrapper does 250 and is 5x tougher?


 

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This is true.

One could argue that Blasters can get high levels of mitigation through IOs (ranged softcap def etc) but that's largely moot as the same level of investment would make a tough scrapper even tougher while putting out competetive damage.

IMO, I agree with you. Blasters do have the highest raw damage, but many other ATs can come close while bringing more to the team/being easier to solo. Shame, really. Although it is worth noting that if you have the support to keep them on their feet (emp or therm or what have you), some blaster combinations can put out absolutely ludicrous amounts of raw damage.

My Fire/MM blaster is monstrous with a good emp.


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This is true.

One could argue that Blasters can get high levels of mitigation through IOs (ranged softcap def etc) but that's largely moot as the same level of investment would make a tough scrapper even tougher while putting out competetive damage.

IMO, I agree with you. Blasters do have the highest raw damage, but many other ATs can come close while bringing more to the team/being easier to solo. Shame, really. Although it is worth noting that if you have the support to keep them on their feet (emp or therm or what have you), some blaster combinations can put out absolutely ludicrous amounts of raw damage.

My Fire/MM blaster is monstrous with a good emp.
true, and i dont think anyone except for I think a fire/fire/mu Dom can match the raw output of a fire/elec/(elec usually) blaster, both which can breach the 300dps benchmark.

however, this still falls under what I said earlier: other ATs can do near blaster level damage, but with disproportionate defenses. The problem is that while blasters do like, 1.2 x as much damage as a (scrapper/brute/potato), those at's are 2.5x as tough at the least.

Hell, even the fire/kin corruptor can match blaster damage, while having Kinetics to at least help defend itself.

I wonder if it would be game-breaking to buff the blaster Damage scale yet again to say, 1.5. (and melee from 1.00 to a scrapper's 1.25) Blasters would be undisputed kings of damage, but that's it.


 

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It is worth noting that the Fire/Kin can only match Blaster damage once buffed and after 44 (or is Fireball 47 for Controllers? I forget)

As for buffing blaster damage being game-breaking, I don't know. I would have thought there's a certain point where you do so much damage there's essentially no risk to yourself (1shotting everything) but I've no idea where that point lies. This is the kind of problem inherent with designing such one-dimensional ATs, imo.

Boo hero ATs, yay villain ATs (and thus is my bias exposed!)


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