best supporttoon for en ITF

hi guys i am searching for the best supporttoon to get in an ITF:
i tought cold as secondary (or primary by defender) would be nice but hich primary/secondary to get with?

I've always liked Radiation Emission for TFs in general. +Def isn't going to be super useful on ITF, unless it grants Def Debuff Resistance (I don't think any support set does), because the Romans will strip the extra defense rather quickly.

Rad gives a heal, recovery, a rez, some REALLY good debuffs, plus a few situational powers.

cold has 2 shields but a lot of other nice powers
infrigidate (-dmg,slow-def)
snowstorm (-speed,-recharge,-fly) targeted aoe
frostwork (only +HPbuff from outside)
arctic fog (stealth,+def+resi)
benumb (-reg,-dmg,-end,-special)
sleet (-speed,-recharge,-def,-res) location aoe
heatloss (-res,-speed,-end,+end(team),+recovery(team)) targeted aoe

Cold is amazing for ITFś. Benumbing the healing nictus is great.

leaves us to piont out a primary/secondary (for defender)
controller
earth control
fire control
gravity control
ice control
illusion control
mindcontrol
plant control

defender
archery
assaultrifle
dark blast
electrical blast
energy blast
iceblast
psychic blast
radiation blast
sonic attack

corrutor
archery
assaultrifle
dark blast
electrical blast
energy blast
fire blast
iceblast
radiation blast
sonic attack

My thoughts would be to go with a power set that would add some more debuffs, like the -To Hit in the Dark attacks or the -Rech in Ice or Psi, or -Def in Rad or the -Resist in Sonic.

For a controller, I'd look at the pets as well - I prefer Ice's Jack for the hold plus range and melee attacks, and the Dark pet for the heals and immobs and debuffing. If you want damage, fire would be the way to go. For overall mitigation, I like Earth for the mass knockdown from Earthquake...it's worked wonders against mobs, keeping them from attacking at all for a while. The stone pet is durable and does decent damage, but is as dumb as a box of rocks, and may well decide to just run off and aggro another mob instead of dealing with the one you're engaging.


If you're wanting Cold primary for a Def, and were it mine, I'd probably go Cold/Dark or Cold/Rad, or Ice/Cold or Fire/Cold for a 'troller if you wanted /Cold there.


But, really, all the sets have something to offer, and I think you could make them work just fine.

I Generally run an ITF in 20-30 minutes and our team consists of all damage and at most two support toons, but the primary support toon is a kin, the thing most kins run into is they die while trying to keep up so if you can get a surviveable kin I could see you being one of the most important support toons on any TF. Mainly because the kin has pretty much everything you need, heals, end, damage, -damage for the enemies, -regen for the enemies, and -recovery for the enemies. All your mising is -def/-res which if your a defender you could take radiation or sonic blast and thats covered I'd say go with a Kin/Sonic Defender and build for s/l defense . Then just let the good times roll :P

For the ITF I run a handful of support toons, it depends on how "supporting" you want to be though. A Rad built right and with a little tactics (jumping around) can tank pretty much the whole thing using the debuff toggles to bring spawns to the team as well as debuff them.

Fallout and Veng are a great combo for when someone gets in over their head.

Colds, you can't go wrong with. I regularly ran (before buddies left for Aion) 20-30 Minute ITF's and we had usually 3 to 4 support toons. 2 of them being colds, the defense definitely matters if you have players who move around and actually watch their defense numbers. Standing still for a defense cascade failure isn't exactly smart.

For Secondaries, I run a cold/Dark for the heal that also has leadership/pb veng for some extreme defense and the cones are nice for stacking to hit debuffs across the spawn to fill in the defense gap and a Cold/Sonic for the massive debuff potential.

For controllers I'd go Plant/Cold or Plant/Rad.

Kin is also important for reasons stated above. Kin/Sonic Kin/Rad are both solid choices. Plant Kin for controllers I'd say.

Rad/Sonic/Electric

Rad as mentioned above is a great set for any TF. I have finished an ITF with a team of four rads. Sonic is a monster when it comes to making things die fast. You can either build for a more mob oriented sonic or a most single target sonic. A well built sonic can reduce the damage resistance of AVs and other toons up to and sometimes over -100%. You can feel and see the difference you make when you reach your debuff maximums. My rad/sonic/elec is also solo AV killer. Want to solo Infernal with no insp? No problem.

Seriously you want a fun to play toon who can solo, team and max a huge difference on a TF? Rad/Sonic/Elec.

all things you mention are not special enough.
like in the topic mentioned it should be special for ITF and there the best supporter which is possible

Cold has -heal.

Make an ILL'RAD an be able to be a great help on any TF

There is no "best" for the ITF or for any TF for that manner. I've ran many, many ITF's with various team makeups. I usually complete them in around 20 minutes any buffer/debuffer is always a plus to have though.

But, if I had to choose any support I would go with cold, not for their buffs but for their debuffs.

Cold/Sonic.Defender or
Sonic/Cold Corruptor.

A lot of you are mentioning Rad for their contributions to any TF, but you'll notice that he specifically mentioned just for the ITF. With that in mind, I belive those two powersets would offer the biggest benefit. I don't believe the benefit will be hugely advantageous over other support toons, but with the -Heal, all the debuff as well as providing a defense cushion, I think it's A+. Especially the Corruptor, adding a lot of damage on the AVs and hard targets with both substantial -Res and Scourge.

Cold...Dark...Thermal...Rad...pick one and you win

Assuming of course, the rest of the team isnt underslotted/in the red...ect..ect...and know what they're doing.

Builds aren't special. Players are. A team of good players doesn't give a crap what you bring. Good players take whatever pri/sec they choose and leverage the strengths of the sets to make the build perform at a high level. By focusing on task-specific optimization, you are starting out self-handicapped.

To give you real advice for maxxing out your effectiveness in running ITFs, develop a reputation as a good player (on your server globals), don't flinch from the star, develop good ability to fill teams quickly and without drama, make sure everyone on the team understands the general routine and then 'release the hounds'.

Cold is one of top BuffDebuff sets for the ITF. The +Def shields are useful on squishies when rushing the second mission, it has an AoE DefDebuff -Res power (Sleet) to counter the Romans' shout of command and you can refill endurance bars with Heat Loss. It is also the only Defender primary that packs -Special (in Benumb) to deal with the healing Nictus.

I wouldn't worry about your secondary so much. Sonic is very nice for the -Res and Ice has great damage and rains to stack with Sleet, but I'd go with whatever your concept prefers.

all things spoken out here are very helpfull
in the past i heared many times take wath you want (they ment come with and it will be great) and a nomally found no difference in which toon i took:
ice/rad/mu corr
rad/cold/dark corr
ill/rad/ice troller
robo/dark MM
robo/ff MM
robo/pain MM
emp/elec def

I am glad to have confirmed my conjecture.
its pretty nice to know that my next project will be as good as the other ones (sonic/cold corr)

Personally I've run the ITF in a support role playing a Rad/Rad defender, Fire/Rad controller, Mind/Kin controller and a Dark/Dark defender. In terms of sheer support my Dark defender is by far the best of the bunch; he can pump out MASSIVE amounts of -tohit adding greatly to the team's safety while matching the Rad's resistance debuffs.

By massive, I'm talking about more than -80%, I've actually gotten a maximum of -110% tohit debuffs out of his own powers before we even consider the contribution of Fluffy (dark servant). I've never played anything that can neuter mobs as badly as a properly built Dark. Now that comes with a caveat, I said neuter... not kill. That's because the set shines at debuffing tohit, not at damage. I've also built to maximize the debuffs where practical without compromising the rest of the build. Heck, I've tanked Romy with that defender once; he can't kill what he can't hit .

If I was looking to contribute damage as well as support then the Dark/Dark would come in dead last; in that case I'd bring the Fire/Rad. Rad's probably second best at debuffing, at least of the sets I've played, and a Fire/Rad simply pumps out immense damage on top of the debuffs.

Of course, the ITF isn't a specific, must have "x" to succeed TF... frankly there isn't a TF in the game that has that requirement. Any group of competent players can succeed no matter what powersets they're playing. Some combinations are of course more effective than others, but nothing's irreplaceable.

Your basic needs for the ITF are an ability to kill the mobs and a way to survive doing so. 8 blasters simply tend to kill everything faster than the mobs can kill them. 8 scrappers flip out and kill everything and have enough durability to survive. Other combinations will work in different ways. As long as you have good damage and some form of mitigation on your team you should be able to succeed provided you have competent players.

I'll agree there is no 'best', as I've run the ITF many times, with all sorts of team makeup, for fun, for speed, for Master of, with tanks, without tanks, all ranged, etc, and its the player who makes all the difference.

That said, some stuff is indeed handy. I find I contribute hugely with my Plant/Rad.

Plant offers a lot of AoE control (roots + creepers + seeds). In the Rommy fights I add spirit tree, helps keep the team topped off.

Rad offers nice AoE healing on top of Tree, the assorted magical debuffs, a nice team buff, and mutagen, as needed. On top of that I have Earth, so I have terrific ST damage to add, plus a huge hold to use on protecting annoying bosses who get too close to me or my buddies. Rock Armor in combo with RI helps keep me upright if I draw too much aggro for any reason. I can generally tank in this build, as needed.