best supporttoon for en ITF
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Posted on: 2009-11-08 10:41 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
I find my SoA Huntsman is great for support/damage/debuffing on ITFs
I will echo Star Seer's comment 100%. Only thing Huntsman does not provide is aoe defense debuffing. Does provide +tohit, though. Great aoe for the big spawns, great -res and respectable single-target dmg for the AVs.
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ITF's are not really so difficult you need to plan a special "support" toon for it. It's only really got one, kind of sort of tricky part at the end, and 2 easy ways to overcome it. You either have enough damage to bumb rush Romi at the end, or you split of the heaing nicitus and kill romi.
So any support toon you build will be effective in that reguard. I tend to use either my Rad/Sonic, because he's my go to TF defender, or my Ill/Sonic controller because the resistince shields work well against the romen in perticular and it brings good -res with it.
But i've done it on all of my support toons. The only 2 support powersets i haven't leveled to 50 ATM are cold dom, and traps. My AR/Cold is almost lvl 30, so he's coming. And i've yet to figure out what kind of trap user i'll make. (i've been putting it off. Traps doesn't excite me, but have one of every support powerset at 50 is kind of a CoH lifetime goal of mine. LOL)
So my advice is to build a support hero/villian you enjoy playing in general, and he/she will do fine in an ITF.
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Well heavy burst does a little aoe def debuff, and you can slot an achilies heel -20% resist proc in it too
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Sufficient +Def is extremely useful, because they still have to hit you. I have been on many ITFs with +defense running in the 70s and higher thanks to defense buffs from multiple allies. Now, nothing over 45 actually reduces the mobs' chance to strike you, but everything over that still provides buffer room against their debuffs.|
Originally Posted by Roderick
I've always liked Radiation Emission for TFs in general. +Def isn't going to be super useful on ITF, unless it grants Def Debuff Resistance (I don't think any support set does), because the Romans will strip the extra defense rather quickly.
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The one place +def does not help much is with the Sunless Mire nictus in play in the last mission, because it is either auto-hit or extremely high base toHit. I don't think particularly special support tactics are needed to deal with it, however. Something like Regen Aura, -Dam effects, or +DR effects can all usually carry teams I am on past that particular nictus effect, since it's the first one Romulus "consumes" to res. That means you can even get past it with orange inspirations, assuming your team isn't having problems killing Romulus to begin with.
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
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Shadowslip: 50 DDC
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Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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And the fact of the matter is, for the ITF, it really doesn't matter. There is no super special build for the ITF that is better than everything else. The ITF is *easy*. |
Originally Posted by Another_Fan
I know no harm is meant by the above but its about as poor an answer as you can give. The OP is looking for something that will yield superior performance in a particular situation.
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There are a few things that help, like -Resistance, but thats about it.
Rads, Colds, Sonics, Darks, all are very popular for the ITF. Pretty much any Debuff set.
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The Healing Nictus are not auto-hit. An old tactic way back in the day, back when the ITF was new shiny, and people thought it hard, was to buff Defense up, and than the Healing Nictus would not be able to heal as much.|
Originally Posted by UberGuy
Sufficient +Def is extremely useful, because they still have to hit you. I have been on many ITFs with +defense running in the 70s and higher thanks to defense buffs from multiple allies. Now, nothing over 45 actually reduces the mobs' chance to strike you, but everything over that still provides buffer room against their debuffs.
The one place +def does not help much is with the Sunless Mire nictus in play in the last mission, because it is either auto-hit or extremely high base toHit. I don't think particularly special support tactics are needed to deal with it, however. Something like Regen Aura, -Dam effects, or +DR effects can all usually carry teams I am on past that particular nictus effect, since it's the first one Romulus "consumes" to res. That means you can even get past it with orange inspirations, assuming your team isn't having problems killing Romulus to begin with. |
If you want to see this in action, just take a REALLY cruddy team to fight Rommy, and bring a toon that has Vengeance, or even better, PB Veng. Rommy will heal significantly less when Veng is active.
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He is talking about the Mire Nictus, not the healer one, Sunless Mire (that one that keeps damages people in a PBAoE around the nictus, you hear the WS power SFX when it activates while the healer use the TG SFX), is autohit, i have seen many SR and other pure defense toons die standing next to it thinking they are perfectly safe.
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Originally Posted by Candlestick
The Healing Nictus are not auto-hit. An old tactic way back in the day, back when the ITF was new shiny, and people thought it hard, was to buff Defense up, and than the Healing Nictus would not be able to heal as much.
If you want to see this in action, just take a REALLY cruddy team to fight Rommy, and bring a toon that has Vengeance, or even better, PB Veng. Rommy will heal significantly less when Veng is active. |
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Nobody's mentioned Sonic primary yet. I would have thought that the ally-targeted -Resistance and the general usefulness of +Resistance vs Romans would have come up. I wouldn't want my ONLY support character to be a Sonic/* defender, but I'd love my SECOND support character to be one.
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Dark/Rad fender is a good choice. Dark has plenty of debuff and a superb PBAoE heal as well as fear and Shadow Fall. Not to mention the potential of Rad secondary slotted with Achilles' Heel procs and more -def.
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If the OP still insists on min/maxing and making things that other people think he should play, just do Kin and get it over with. Kins are always welcome in any content.
It's basically like asking "What's the best AT?" and expecting a definitive answer. There isn't one.
I don't think people answering: "A good player," is particularily helpful at all. Obviously a good player is going to be an asset, but an average team will be at more of an advantage with that good player playing the best toon for the job.
As far as the enjoyment of the toon, I'm sure that if that was a concern, he wouldn't be asking which to create. For me, my enjoyment of my toons comes from how efficient and effective they are in a lot of cases.