GR Market Info from Hero-Con

This please, devs. I have finally settled on 20M as the smartest price cap possible. Please implement this in GR!

People complain the devs hate villains. People complain the devs hate heroes. No one seems to notice that the devs hate me, as I have been requesting this feature for 6 issue updates now, and still no mention of this wonderful idea ever happening.

RagManX

That may not be entirely true. One of the things meantioned in the link in the first page of this thread is:

Agreed. Redside has been dead for a long time.

Saw that, but I'll bet you right now that any benefits will be extremely minor. I know this playerbase. They will not accept anything that limits their roleplay freedom.

Except I wonder if doing the villain content will solidify you further on your path to villainy. This would only make sense. Praetoria would be the bridge from one side to the other, but after doing so much villainous or heroic content, it solidifies your stance on that side. I believe it will be fun to see how it all shakes out.

I'm working on a villain to have ready for the GR expansion since I've had lvl 50 heroes forever. I'm enjoying the redside content enough that I think I'll be doing a good part of my time there for a while.

1) The Devs never said any of those things were impossible from a practical level. This however MAY, please note the MAY, be impossible for various hardware/ software/ speed reasons. The devs have made sure that older computer systems as well as slower internet providers can still run the game. The fix to change this may be impossible from the perspective that the ONLY way to do it involves a patch that decreases the speed of Wentworth access by 2 to 10+ fold.


Yes I am sure they can do a market merger if they wish, and in fact I am for a merger. However they may not be able to raise the 2 billion influence cap. That may truly be impossible for all practical purposes and even if not impossible, changing variable sizes in a massive program with an active data base makes adding neat power customization look safe and sane by comparison.

A bug in a graphics routine will likely be found in beta testing, and if not all you have are a small group of players who have a lag issue for a few weeks until you put in a patch. The absolute worse is that a particular power/color combo will make 5% of your users systems unplayable until the update is rolled back in 3 days and cause people to have to redo their power colors when it is repatched. Oh Woe is me.

If you have a bug in a financial data base which is exactly what Wentworth is, it can be VERY subtle and easily avoid being caught, as an example it may ONLY pop up when someone bids 65536 on ONLY the old base salvage and winds up with the seller recieving 2 to the 63rd power in influence.

Imagine the effects on the market if a player suddenly found he had 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 on a weekend sale. He starts buying up everything. 1 Billion bids on LotGs, but also 10 million on common salvage. 12 hours to a week later he has flooded Paragon with 100 times the influence previously in existence and the devs finally catch wind of it and shut the market down. Now what? Take away the money from all those who legitimately sold items and are happy that they are billionairs? Undo all sales? Yea lets PO 1/2 the player base. Or leave the money and watch as rampant inflation takes over and anyone who didn't manage to hit it big is left with devalued influence worth 1/100th what it was before?


I suspect Milady is right about the single bit for designating hero/villain and that can probably be changed relativly easily. What I think Milady may have failed to consider is that the 2 billion limit is due to the way the variable was declared and is not simply a number that was selected at random that can be changed by simply changing one variable.

In computer speak the line of code saying InfluenceLimit = 2,000,000,000 isn't the problem. It is the 342 declarations of "word", or whatever language variable declaration is they use, being changed to "doubleword", and the side effects from said change.

HP Lovecat

Yeah genius, and he got them because there is a villain market, it's just worse than the hero one. But if you give players the option to leave the worse market, they will. Or at the very least the majority of those players who care enough about the market to make up a hefty percentage of the scant supply that does exist. So when your next villain goes looking for his goodies, they are nowhere to be found. Nobody is listing them, because everybody left for the market that doesn't suck.

Which would be completely irrelevant as he can then just switch sides and go to the active market.



EDIT: With that said I still think they need to merge the markets.

Sure, and that is actually a really good point. I guess we'll have to see how involved the process of wholly swapping sides is. Because if it is like, a whole arc or more that you have to run, it seems like it might be a huge waste of time to have to run back and forth all the time just so I can call myself a bad guy.

People spend hours (and months in terms of when AE farming was high) killing the same map full of enemies. Don't underestimate the playerbase's ability to waste time.

You have to love the Ebil ones ability not to hear, or rather hear one thing and run with it to extremes. Its also kind of funny how they shoot themselves in the feet with a Gatling Gun doing it. Id be willing to go out on a limb and say the people that are using the term price cap actually mean fixed price store similar to the ones they buy common recipes, SOs, DOs, and TOs at. People don't care what you sell your goods at, they just want to be able to buy at reasonable prices. (Well most don't Ebil is hardly confined to the marketeers)

Here is something to wrinkle your noodle.

What happens to your stuff when you switch sides ?

All your stuff on the market/wents just evaporate ?

The stuff you have in the vault ?

The stuff you are carrying ?

The IOs you have slotted ?

Do they all just go poof ? Are they switched over ? Are they put in storage till you go back ?

Just think about it. After going rogue you might be forced to have 2 sets of builds, Hero Builds and Villain builds.

And you'd be wrong. Have you read any of the ignorant posts really advocating price caps? They're all about constraining the evil marketeers from taking advantage of the po' widdle 'casual' player through the market. Invariably, most of them end up being drive-by posts, where the original poster ends up running away as quickly as possible once forced to face actual logic and reason. Not that logic & reason have any effect on their thought process, just that being exposed to logic & reason causes a reaction similar to a vampire encountering garlic and holy water. Not much different than the folks in real life who think that raising the minimum wage to some arbitrary magic number will raise everyone's standard-of-living.

Ouch. That's a damn good question...

Well outside of purples and PvP recipes, don't merits fill that need now? So how can that be what they are asking for?

What's the point of a market if you have stores for everything? This^^, in it's entirety, has fail written all over it.

Edit: And as Geko has already pointed out, there are still merits and tickets to get a vast majority of recipes. Sure it's mostly random, but guess what, there's a market where you can sell the unwanted randomness and buy the recipes you want. It isn't that hard at all to just run AE for tickets, roll randoms, craft said randoms, and reap profit. Anybody who can't or won't do this is an idiot.

PLEASE DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THE JOYS OF CURRENCIES. But you are certainly correct merits and tickets are a nod in that direction.

Why have eBay if you have Macy's ?

Hmm if you don't like playing the game a particular way you are an idiot ?

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...95#post2354995

given their philosophical opposition to an open market, skepticism is entirely warranted absent some kind of concrete statement that they've realized the error of their philosophy and are dedicated to a merger.

Even if they let you take over whatever your slots will bear when you finally 'switch over', I doubt the process will be so casual that ferrying junk from one side to the other will be an efficient use of time.

They may not allow us to take anything at all- who knows.
We don't have enough info yet to determine if there's any change in their historical anti-market position, but what we do have doesn't look good.

I realize that it can be a hardware limitation but there are ways around it. The market itself is all ready being used as a way around that. Here's a simple solution. When they go through the data base of bids they can "convert" those bids into a non-transferable "salvage". Make each salvage worth say..... 500,000,000 influence (to save potential bit overflow problems when cashing in or, first creating, the tokens). When the markets are merged those salvage tokens are placed in that character's inventory. Even with the hardware limitations you could still store 2 billion "500,000,000 influence tokens" on a character so again no problem.

When the player wants to convert a token into influence. Double click on it and get a confirmation message that proceeding will convert 1 token into 500,000,000 inf "are you sure you want to do this?".

Making it a one way conversion process makes it a temporary way (which was the requirement) to store the excess inf that is all ready being stored in a similar manner by using the market in a manner "not intended".

What I read in those posts is anger at being on the wrong side of deals. I don't agree that the minimum wage argument is comparable. The minimum wage argument is easily reduced to absurdity by just pointing out that if 7$ is good why not 10$ if 10$ why not 20$. Unless someone is a community organizer, reading from a prepared text being scrolled up in front of them, or just cynically pandering they rapidly see the problem.

With a store in the equation you are in effect creating an alternate source of supply that would kick in if the primary price ever got too far out of whack.

LMAO!!!!! Even better neg rep!

That's what AE tickets do all ready. If Rare salvage approaches the 4 mil inf per piece range then farming tickets for it becomes a viable strategy again. It is a safety valve of sorts.