GR Market Info from Hero-Con

And this was unexpected ??

Positron, aka Mr. The Empath badge is just fine, aka Mr. People demonstrating I am wrong just makes me just dig in my heals harder, was really going to reverse himself after "Players" managed to come up with overwhelming arguments about why a policy was wrong. Let alone the real life examples of the benefits of opening up markets. I really wish this wasn't so but after he went on the record and then hardened his position I really didn't expect anything else.

P.S. to everyone that recites the mantra the devs have the data and the datamining tools, its how you use it and what mindset you bring to it that counts. Just because you own a plane doesn't mean you can fly

This whole classification of fallen hero and reformed villain is completely asinine. There isn't really any side switching, but rather just a softer version of heroes and villains with the establishment of complete access to Paragon and the Rogue Isles.

It sounds more like heroes just develop more of a shady side and a willingness to bend the rules rather than truly making the switch to full out villainy. Villains develop something of a conscience, but never truly become a hero. I think there should be room for the concept of a meta-human toeing the line, never truly declaring allegiance to one side or the other, but GR sounds like this is the only option.

I really don't see any legitimate reason to keep the markets segregated, or access to those markets separate. The only way to remove disparity is to give equal access to either market interface for both heroes and villains or any crossbreed that might appear.

A couple more tidbits from the Hero-Con thread for all of us to jump to conclusions over..

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Originally Posted by Schismatrix Actually, what i've gotten from this thread and the info reported from Hero Con is that Rogue is the mid-point for villains in the process of becoming heroes. One of the Devs states that it's a transition and when you complete the journey you are an actual hero. Vigilante is the mid-stage for a hero in the procees of becoming a villain. During the middle stages you can travel to the other (soon to be a member of) faction's zones and join teams there, but you still use your original faction's market system until you complete the switch.

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Originally Posted by Photonstorm That's how I understand it: Rogues and Vigilantes are the neutral moralities, the so called "grey area" they mentionned. Why 2 names? Probably to know if that neutral character was a Hero or Villain before, to know where he can sell/buy (Black Market or Wentworth). If those characters continue on the same path, they will eventually completely shift to the other side. So a Villain can become Rogue by doing good deeds, and become a hero if he continues. A Hero will become Vigilante, and then a Villain. My guess is its up to the player if they want to stay neutral or shift completely, or back track. This can be done any number of times, but it wont be done easily. Praetorian only seems to be a starting phase. By level 20 you have to choose if you go villain or hero, and then you play like any other normal heroes or villains. A Praetorian Hero will go Vigilante by doing bad deeds, and become a Villain if he continues, etc...

That system, with a two step side switch and a grey middle ground, makes far more sense.

I still don't like the lack of a merged market, but under that regime it is much less asinine.

Frankly, I think it is TRIVIAL to resolve a merged market from a role play stand point - ROLE PLAY THAT THEY AREN'T MERGED. There are NO names or faction information associated with any of the goods available. You will NEVER meet these people. Role play that all of the goods are from blue side if you're blue side, or red side if you're red side. If you can suspend disbelief enough to role play in the first place, this one should be EASY. How is this troubling people? How do people see this as killing immersion and role play? Seriously???

As for not merging the markets because the devs want parity FIRST... *facepalm*

As for this kiling red side, one minor reason I prefer blue side is that I prefer the availability of goods on the blue side market. I am at least slightly more likely to play red side if the markets are merged. As the goat says, "I'm not getting the logic behind 'a big merged market with more of everything would turn off villain players, while a small, undersupplied market rife with profiteering wouldn't.'"

More market related info:

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Originally Posted by je_saist New tweets: By making the full transition from Hero>Vigilante>Villain, your former Hero can transport items from inf between sides, like a gun runner. You may be able to mail items/inf in the future. Enhancement prices will be standardized across all vendors. Paraphrase:We won't have recipe storage. The need to unload recipes is vital to the economy -Posi

Honestly, I'd much rather be able to trade between factions than have a merged market.

They can't merge them even if changing sides is possible.

The black market is just that, a illegal trade site only in the know villains know about, How can a goodie-to-shoes hero use it?

Are devs opposed to an idea of merged market itself or it is more opposition due to percieved or real problems with implementation of merged market? Any ideas?

As I can see it from implementation point of view, they would have to cancel all outstanding bids/offers before merge takes place. Without increasing inf cap, it might affect many players causing them to lose inf.

On another hand, if bids/offers stay intact during transition, due to huge disparity of WW/BM prices someone is going to lose/win big during merger.