Cats Hour Challange - Part II

The bottom end earnings for a level 50 are pretty well established from the prior thread, the ball park Figure of 1 million inf/hour for a non-solo build (such as a defender).

Now especially with the new slider settings we need to probe the top end. bring out your fire/kins, your fire/psi Doms, your SS/fire brutes and run maps as fast and as furious as you can.

In one hour of your chosen activity report:

a) Inf from Kills
b) Inf from sales (AT VENDOR RATES!)
c) Total Inf (a+b)

I'm not saying you HAVE to sell that prophecy for 5000 inf, but that is the inf brought into 'the economy' by the drop.

Extra info like what exactly was dropped and the like would be nice, but those are the key points.

I also suggest doing a /logchat and sending those to Archie for his collation into probing the exact purple/Pool C/D from bosses/ Costume drop rates, but thats not a requirement.

Whoohoo!
I love it when I can convince other people to do the dirty work. =D


I'll rev up my fire/rad tonight and put together some numbers.

I'll take my new Elec/Shield scrapper for a spin. I suspect she'll be able to top the numbers I had on my Elec/Elec brute.

I wonder how well my fire/psy dom and warshade can do. I run on a pretty wimpy +0/x3 mode.

Sounds like a fun and interesting exercise this time around -- I'll pull out my main (Spines/Invul Scrapper who can run on decently high difficulty settings) and check what an hour of beating stuff up nets me.

Here's what I got using my VEAT huntsman. It was on a newspaper mission set for (+0 x8), Council mobs. I was able to do 4 rounds of about 14 minutes each in the hour.

Influence from just the mobs themselves: 1,164,293.
Influence from vendor sales only: 1,691,606.

Total Influence: 2,855,899.


I did keep 3 recipes to sell on the BM which should get me about 15 mil. But I included their vendor value in my total numbers.
Performance Shifter (50) end. mod.
Performance Shifter (5) end. mod./rech.
Red Fortune (50) def./rech.

I'm looking forward to poking this, though I have somewhat non-standard characters for the AoE mayhem that works best here.

However, I need to wait for a new video card. Mine went on the fritz yesterday morning. My replacement should be here tomorrow, though.

Hmm I was earning about 1.2 million influence in 25 minutes doing a run of AE with a teaming tank build.

That'd be about 3 million an hour, but no drops aside from tickets and inspirations.

I'm pretty sure I was set to +1/8x and I was running a zoso like farm using customs that all rez. I typically kill enough mobs to get 750 tickets then complete mission for the other 750 tickets.

From there I roll 1500 worth of bronze rolls (25 rolls) and usually wind up with 1-3 recipes worth 5-10 mil each or I'll get lucky and hit a 20-50 mil recipe.

I can get a more solid data collection tomorrow - but this is generally a solid farm aside from pool c/d drops and purples. I also tend to make my money exclusively at the market and regard influence drops as almost nothing, but that is me.

Once the Shield Charge fix goes through I'll definitely going all-out on my DM/SD.

Okay, here we go.

Character: Narcine (Elec/Shield Scrapper)
Setting: +1/x8/Bosses/NoAVs
Task: Council America Map, ran 2 1/2 times in 1 hour.

a) Inf from Enemy Kills: 5,988,938
b) Inf from Vendor Sales: 3,501,078
c) Total: 9,490,016

Deleted a bunch of common salvage due to filling up. Got two pieces of rare salvage, and set recipes:

Adjusted Targeting: Rech.
Dark Watcher's Despair: To Hit DeBuff.
Efficacy Adaptor: Rech/Acc.
Glimpse of the Abyss: End/Fear.
Nightmare: Acc/End.
Red Fortune: Def/End/Rech.

Deleted a handful of crappy snipe/immob/whatnot recipes during the runs due to filling up, heh.

Anyway, I'm logging all this stuff, and I'm going to do a few more runs with different difficulty settings (try higher level, lower level, bosses/nobosses) to see how it compares. For starters, she's made about 3x as much as I did with my Elec/Elec brute.

EDIT: Forgot to sell the enhancement drops, heh. 120k is nice change, though nothing spectacular.

Character: Flame Fencer (Fire/Shield/Blaze Scrapper)
Setting: +2/x8/No Bosses/NoAVs
Task: Council America Map, ran 3 times in 1 hour.

a) Inf from Enemy Kills: 3,610,017
b) Inf from Vendor Sales: 2,879,765
c) Total: 6,489,782

Strangely, I got very few enhancements, but a fair number of common recipes. Astonishing that Aliana Blue got so much more with a lower difficulty and doing 2 1/2 as opposed to my 3 full runs...on the very same map no less. Almost wondering if my map is bugged. The three runs were amazingly consistent (1.15 to 1.2M of enemy kill influence per run).

Stuff I didn't sell:
1 Diamond
1 Photonic Weapon
Thunderstrike Dmg/Rech
Eff Adaptor End Mod/Acc
Draconic Wing Costume Piece
Titanium Coating Resitance
Soulbound Allegiance Dmg

EDIT: Just realized that I was in SG mode the whole time. I'll do this over tomorrow.

Nice idea Cat. I'll do a run some time this week on my Fire/Fire brute. (Might need to wait 'til the weekend though.)

Character: Narcine (Elec/Shield Scrapper)
Setting: +3/x8/NoBosses/NoAVs
Task: Council America Map, ran 3 times (!) in 1 hour.

a) Inf from Enemy Kills: 9,008,264
b) Inf from Vendor Sales: 2,972,703
c) Total: 11,980,967

Quite the jump! 2.5M more than the +1/x8/Bosses run. No bosses means no chance for Pool C/D drops, and less recipes (note how the influence from drops went down despite having cleared half a map more, though it's close enough that it may not be that important), but a noticeable jump in inf earning, which may make it worth it.

Stuff I didn't sell:

9 pieces of rare salvage (!)
Armageddon: Dam/Rech/Acc (Score!)
Adjusted Targeting: To Hit Buff/Rech
Thunderstrike: Acc/Dam
Thunderstrike: Dam/End/Rech

I was thinking Alania's numbers seemed really high too! Then I remembered I also run in SG mode all the time. I suppose I can take a few hours off to run through and see what they churn out.

So far lined up I have :

Elec/SD/Body
Fire/Kin/Stone
Plant/Storm/Stone
And maybe my DM/SD hopefully by the time I get to him shield charge will see that buff.

Hah! And of course as soon as I typed that I went to fire up the game and a patch was being applied! Results hopefully later tonight.

Uber and Fourspeed have the main reasons covered.

I'll be contributing my own data at some point, right now I'm stealing a few mins online and that may well be it for the next few days.

My wife just had a minor op, and now needs some tlc and that obviously takes priority.


I have one person PM me some data, and I'll present a cleansed summary. If anyone else wishes to go that route, I'll be happy to add your numbers anonymously.

As a qualifier, I ran with my salvage full (I usually do this because I'm too lazy to go to the market and check what's selling well and what isn't, and I hang onto the rares for recipes I need to craft). Ran the Council Empire map, 0x8, no bosses, solo spawned (bosses scale down to lieutenants), on my Fire/Kin/Fire who has maybe 10 IOs in her entire build. I also stopped the timer between runs while I went to sell, which took me maybe five minutes.

Did 4 runs, each taking 16-18 minutes:

Inf from kills: 10,569,751
Inf from drops: 4,536,368
Total inf: 15,106,119

Really, trying to determine if the increased kill speed from fighting even-cons is worth the tradeoff of getting less inf per kill than I'd get from fighting +1s or +2s, or even +3s. I'm guessing the returns might be better at +1 but would start to fall off from there.

I just don't think the Inf from defeats is a good representation of Inf earning potential. Yes it tells you how much raw Inf you can earn, but based on my old Drop listing & analysis thread, Inf from defeats is 1/7 of total earned Inf on average. Add in the Inf from vendoring Salvage, Enhancements, and IOs, and you're still at only 1/5 of the real amount of Inf you could earn if you sold things on the Market. It's not just off by a little bit, it's off by a factor of 5!

The value you are asking people to report is mainly Inf from defeats. That is significantly affected by the mob rank and level. All other things being equal, someone fighting +1 mobs will get about 35% more Inf than someone fighting even con mobs, but they'll get the same or slightly fewer drops because they'll be defeating mobs at the same rate or slower. But your drops determine your real Inf earning potential. That same person fighting +1 mobs is not going to earn 35% more total Inf, they'll only earn 7% more Inf, and only if they can keep up the same speed. Similarly, someone fighting mainly higher ranked mobs can earn significantly more Inf that someone fighting minions, but the drops will be about the same. For example, around 800 HP of damage will defeat 2 Minions or 1 Lieutenant, and on average you'll get the same number of drops in both cases, but one Lieutenant is worth about four Minions in terms of Inf. I could exemp down and fight Sky Raider Lt spawns in Terra Volta for some very nice Inf, but the drops would be worth almost nothing. Reporting the Inf from defeats is nice, but it doesn't necessarily correspond to drops, and thus it doesn't correspond to the real Inf earnings.

Now say you do just track the Inf from defeats and vendoring drops. That's a constant, and is not affected by Market swings. But again, that doesn't really represent your Inf earnings. If the Market goes up, you can sell stuff for more, so your Inf Earnings also go up. If the Market goes down, you sell stuff for less, so your Inf earnings go down. People who both buy and sell on the Market are somewhat insulated from market swings. Tracking Inf from Defeats gives people the false impression that it directly relates to what they can buy in the Market. The truth is that their Inf Earnings are significantly higher. When purple prices were at a record high, so were Inf earnings for people doing non-AE level 50 content.

Good luck to Ms. Cat.

Concentrated Awesome, Fire/SR scrapper (heavily IO'd, no purples, 3 LotG +rech, no Hasten)

Ran (8) Borea Missions, all Rikti caves, +1/x4/Bosses as it was the first time I'd taken her out in some time. Should definitely have run with bigger spawns to maximize AoEs.

Defeats infl: 4,977,280
Vendored recipes/SOs infl: 1,074,576

8 SOs

33 common salvage
8 uncommon
1 rare

9 Common IO recipes
1 Uncommon: Crushing Impact D/E
0 Rare
1 Ultra Rare: Soulbound Allegiance triple

Thanks Cat!

TopDoc, none of what you're mentioning there matters.

Anyone can reproduce difficulty settings needed to get the right basic mixture of ranks and mob types in the same mission, within the general parameters of random spawn layouts (whether a spawn has more LTs or bosses, or is +1 to the mission settings). For a given build, we're looking at what the best someone can achieve. There are still lots of variables here - the player's build (which affects their mitigation, end and health recovery, all of whichc determines how fast they can plow from mob to mob), their ability to exploit mob AI, even their ping reflexes to some extent. But adding market earnings for rare drops on top of that takes the number of variables through the roof.

All adding the market does is tell us that the number goes up by a lot. It's not instructive as to how any given build can create raw inf, because there are even more variables involved than in builds and random spawns.