dear terps, when did you last actually play this game? and before that?
just putting it out there.
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Can you see why some people who like fast paced pvp with non-stop action would think a 30-second timeout power makes the game worse?| I still honestly fail to see how a change to this power makes the game any better overall. |
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| If you are silly enough to think that tweaking this one power will make pvp all better again. |
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| At this point you are just just trying to get a change in to a power that you don't like. |
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Can you see were people who like fast paced pvp would see were other changes would benefit pvp more? I am thinking you can't. This change will not bring speed back to the game. It will only increase kill counts. And even then not by much.| Can you see why some people who like fast paced pvp with non-stop action would think a 30-second timeout power makes the game worse? |
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| Why don't you start your own "these are all of the changes needed to fix pvp" thread? You appear to understand that pvp is composed of many aspects that impact the overall game but can't comprehend the logic behind making any singular changes that don't completely fix the system. |
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| I'm not trying to change anything. I think it would be good for pvp if it where changed and I'm sharing my thoughts on the power. You are obviously incapable of distinguishing the difference. |
Good job on getting worked up on posting your idea and people not agreeing with you. And as barrier asked, do you even pvp any more? I haven't seen you in game in months and I barely ever seen you before that. In the old days I could just think its was because you were on test but unless you are 1v1ing yourself over there I am more inclined to think you just really don't play any more. And if thats the case I don't see why you feel the need to get changes to game you don't even really play.
Duel me.
I will work on my sig pic more when I have time.
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Well said, smart guy.| Can you see were people who like face paced pvp would see were other changes would benefit pvp more? |
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| Yes, you are. Read your words. 'I am not trying to change anything' followed directly by 'if it were changed'. |
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| Good job on getting worked up on posting your idea and people not agreeing with you |
As for do I ever pvp? Yes, I do. Are folks supposed to send you a tell every time they login to the zone? If so, I missed the memo.
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Oh c'mon. Faulting someone for their grammar and spelling errors is a telling sign of losing an argument.|
Originally Posted by GOTerpsPvP
Well said, smart guy.
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He's probably all hoped up on cold meds again.
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| You appear to be, but I can't really tell. I think the idea is good and I'll defend it, and I certainly don't care if every idiot on the street agrees with me or not. |
Whats with all the insults around here lately? And I wouldn't exactly call me an idiot in the street.
And yeah you seem pretty worked up about it. And feel free to keep on posting to defend the idea. Just don't expect us to build a support team up for you. Even some of the more notably bad pvpers who post in this section agree your idea is pretty much uncalled for. And that is just what we need, the devs spending time on changes we don't need when they barely give us anything at all.
You are probably better served joining the threads I mentioned earlier for coming up with ideas to fix pvp. We all want to see it more fast paced again. I have already explained why its incredibly unlikely we will ever get it. There are things we can work for to try to improve our game. This change is not it.
Duel me.
I will work on my sig pic more when I have time.
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Thanks for the posting tip buddy. I'll keep that and your opinions under careful consideration moving forward.| You are probably better served joining the threads I mentioned earlier for coming up with ideas to fix pvp. We all want to see it more fast paced again. I have already explained why its incredibly unlikely we will ever get it. There are things we can work for to try to improve our game. This change is not it. |
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| Whats with all the insults around here lately? And I wouldn't exactly call me an idiot in the street. |
On one hand, you typically discredit the opinion of "notoriously bad players" as being worthless, but this time they agree with you so that's your evidence the idea is bad. Which is it bud?
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Originally Posted by GOTerpsPvP
On one hand, you typically discredit the opinion of "notoriously bad players" as being worthless, but this time they agree with you so that's your evidence the idea is bad. Which is it bud? |
Even baddos can be right from time to time. And way to ignore the actual content of my post. Which if you had not noticed was well thought out and to the point. If you think you can talk the devs into changing pvp to your idea of better, well then good luck with that. I will keep my fingers crossed and hope for bug fixes and that they don't total bork this crap again.
And for the record, I don't dismiss bad players ideas. I dismiss bad ideas from players. There is a difference.
Edit: on the grammar earlier. I was a bit intoxicated this morning. If my grammar is all you got then I am not worried about it.
Duel me.
I will work on my sig pic more when I have time.
You guys are still arguing about this? It's been like a week. Chiiiiiiiiiiill, son.
Seriously, you guys aren't even talking about the benefits of your ideas... you are just taking shots at each other.
That sexy Doritos guy said it best, I think.
I respect Doritos. But seriously I have explained, a few times, how not only is the change not needed its also unlikely to ever happen. Its not like I just wander around firing randomly like barrier. Though I do see the point that any further discussion is just repaving the same road again, so I will step away.
Duel me.
I will work on my sig pic more when I have time.
I didn't realize my post would elicit such emotion. Very interesting points on both side. I suppose a persons opinion depends upon their particular experience with hibernators. I'm a fire/devices blaster. I always toss down a caltrop and trip mine while they're in hiber. They almost always have SS so caltrops doesn't slow them down. And they are out of the blast radius before the trip mine triggers. Webnade is helpful to some degree but you have to time if very carefully or you get the "unaffected", and they are gone before it recharges for a second use. eep, have to run...seeing movie.
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Just as long as you know that the soft reset I referenced is just in 1vs1's in the arena. If you try to hit rest in the middle of a zone with more than one person in it you're dead. I don't see a problem with hiber really. It's hard to use it and stay alive in zones unless you follow it up with phase since it gives the opposing faction plenty of time to swarm around you, waiting for you to come out. In a 1vs1 a person hitting hiber may be a soft reset but unless they have greens they should be dead before the no phase timer has worn off.|
Originally Posted by GOTerpsPvP
True. So dumb. "Let's stop pvp'ing for 30 seconds and start over, OK?" Sounds like a ton of fun. Hahahhahaha.
Try explaining the way Hibernate works to someone who likes pvp games but doesn't play CoX and let me know what they think. Only folks who have grown attached to the current system and can't "think outside the box" could possibly think Hibernate is good for pvp. |
I might be willing for a change to hiber if they drop the no phase off of it and possibly up the rech on it.
Elec/Cold Troller AV/Pylon/GM/TF/SF Soloing Antics
everytime...he gets me everytime.... DAMN U BOOMIE
-- _Ilr_
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
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even in an arena match... we were doing kb's a few days ago and i was calling people halfway through their hibers and killing them right as they came out.. AS IS SO HARD OUT OF HIBER.
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Originally Posted by Boomie
Just as long as you know that the soft reset I referenced is just in 1vs1's in the arena. If you try to hit rest in the middle of a zone with more than one person in it you're dead. I don't see a problem with hiber really. It's hard to use it and stay alive in zones unless you follow it up with phase since it gives the opposing faction plenty of time to swarm around you, waiting for you to come out. In a 1vs1 a person hitting hiber may be a soft reset but unless they have greens they should be dead before the no phase timer has worn off.
I might be willing for a change to hiber if they drop the no phase off of it and possibly up the rech on it. |
Barrier, do you have anything on lolvirtue?
Elec/Cold Troller AV/Pylon/GM/TF/SF Soloing Antics
everytime...he gets me everytime.... DAMN U BOOMIE
-- _Ilr_Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
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Originally Posted by Boomie
Barrier, do you have anything on lolvirtue?
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a 50 mind/ice with 3 ios and a crapload of empty slots :-P
That's all you need rite?
One day I'll get around to lvl'ing something on freedom. It'll prolly have to wait till after I finish io/acco'ing my mind/therm.
Elec/Cold Troller AV/Pylon/GM/TF/SF Soloing Antics
everytime...he gets me everytime.... DAMN U BOOMIE
-- _Ilr_Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
i was doing a "how much money can i make without marketeering and pveing in virtue" experiment.
then i couldn't resist myself and went from 2 mill to 350 mill peddling pvp ios and transferred the money to freedom.
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I've always liked the idea that two phased players should be able to attack each other. Although the concept of a phased player attacking a hibernating player bothers me a bit, seems a bit.. iffy.
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Originally Posted by EarthFury
Allow a phased player to attack someone in Hibernate
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it's a retarded concept. if you're gonna do that, then the hibernating player has to be able to attack back. and no retarded heal suppression on the regen must be in place for it to be even remotely balanced.
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Originally Posted by Jakey_
I've always liked the idea that two phased players should be able to attack each other. Although the concept of a phased player attacking a hibernating player bothers me a bit, seems a bit.. iffy.
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wow seriuosly? heroes have had hibernate for much much longer than villains. villains just got hibernate in i13. yes i13. took 13 issues. so deal with it. heroes have hibernate and have had it for a while. and yes, there were changes. hibernate can be activated a minimum of 2mins. that means it cant be activated any sooner, no matter how much recharge you have. back in the day there were alot of blaster who could hibernate every 60seconds or less and could still phase right after their hibernate and the villains had no answer to that. so get over it
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Originally Posted by EarthFury
Villian Hibernate has become very popular. It's used prodigiously on Protector in RV. From my experience due to it's fast activation times (.5 sec) it can snatch victory from the jaws of defeat in most situations, dare I say practically all. IMO its effectiveness should be reduced mildly in some way. A few suggestions off the top of my head (pick only one): Increase the recharge time. Increase the cast or activation time. Allow a phased player to attack someone in Hibernate. Add a significant travel suppression when the toggle drops (that would also be consistent with having just come out of deep-freeze). Apply a short interruptability to it.
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well said.
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Originally Posted by wasabivirus
wow seriuosly? heroes have had hibernate for much much longer than villains. villains just got hibernate in i13. yes i13. took 13 issues. so deal with it. heroes have hibernate and have had it for a while. and yes, there were changes. hibernate can be activated a minimum of 2mins. that means it cant be activated any sooner, no matter how much recharge you have. back in the day there were alot of blaster who could hibernate every 60seconds or less and could still phase right after their hibernate and the villains had no answer to that. so get over it
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---^lol^---- got to love this stuff.
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Originally Posted by GOTerpsPvP
Well, considering you think that evasion is some elite skill and running away from your enemy makes for good pvp, I'm not surprised we disagree.
All of the running/phasing/hibernating has always been pretty stupid. The change to allow phased players to attack phased players was a great change, and should have been in place years ago. Hibernate was a stupid power to proliferate across powersets/AT's and has had a negative effect on pvp. |
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Originally Posted by Ready_For_War
---^lol^---- got to love this stuff.
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yeah totally, hibernate totally wrecked pvp.
god, dude, does zen shadow write your material?
i also just wanted to say that terps seems to have a really short term memory for hibernate works.
step 1.
see all of the opposing teams builds.
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are all the blasters using hiber/tactics builds? do they have trollers running hibernate? if the answer is yes in more than 4 occasions proceed to step 3.
step 3.
bring the storm team.
step 4.
who r wants hiber?
seriously, i think may have seen only one person ever survive dUmb's storm team's hibernate camping, and that was in i12 when evasion actually meant something.
do your ******* research terps.
stop asking for the game to be balanced around 1v1 encounters. it is retarded. go play sf4 or something if you want that.
I like to think of Hibernates proliferation across ATs as an unconscious apology from the Devs: "We're sorry we took away your movement in PvP and in effect your capability to skillfully avoid a final death. We ****** up. So, in order to try and correct our mistake, we're going to give everyone hibernate. It may take less skill, but it'll help you survive!"
You can dislike hibernate, Terps. I dislike it. However, your dislike of a power doesn't make it "broken" or in need of a nerf, it simply doesn't need one.
With that said... I want hoarfrost on my ******* doms NAO. Who's bright ******' idea was it to give Blasters ontop of their Insane PvP resistance, hoarfrost? Genius..pure ******' genius...