The Grand List of Unavailable Enemy Weapons
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AkuTenshiiZero,
Posted on: 2009-10-09 14:22 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
The glowing rapier used by the Harlequin Fencers -- I want it so badly (for Dual Blades).
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I'd like to add a condition to making these available to players: no ******* unlockables! 
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You have it, it just doesn't glow. I got no idea why it glows for Carnies, anyway.
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Originally Posted by KidLazarus
The glowing rapier used by the Harlequin Fencers -- I want it so badly (for Dual Blades).
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Issue 16 made me feel like this.
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Hey, if they are going to let us use a sniper rifle as a chaingun might as well let it go the other way too!
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Originally Posted by GrinningSpade
I so second this one.
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As the player of a BS/Regen Scrapper who's an ex-KoA, I say YES PLEASE to acquiring that blade. I don't think Sister Scylla will mind if it's unlockable via a particular KoA mission or defeating a certain (small*) number of her former "sisters", as long as she can get it. Just don't let it be something like a TF. Heck, for that matter, finishing some missions for a certain contact (not to spoil) for such a prize would make a lot of sense, offer either a random recipe roll or the Knife, so that those who don't care about the latter can get something too.
* - Small, so as to keep the idea of "only being 100 total" plausible. 100 is the max, in other words, but 50 is better.
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Yeah, i wouldn't bet on that. i'm fine with unlockables. On another note, a bunch of those weapons are available as temp powers and/or wouldn't make sense as an option for an existing powerset, like the Void Hunter Rifle. The Coralax big hammer one of my alts received as a temp power for running the (Silver Mantis?) SF.|
Originally Posted by Cynical_Gamer
I'd like to add a condition to making these available to players: no ******* unlockables!
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i agree with the proposal to make a bunch of the others available as player weapons.
Edit: i can see the Arachnos Pistol being made an option when we get Dual Pistols and adding it to the Thugs options as well.
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Considering that most, if not all available enemy weapons require unlocking, I would bet any new ones they add will also require unlocking.
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Originally Posted by Cynical_Gamer
I'd like to add a condition to making these available to players: no ******* unlockables!
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I know the Coralax hammer is available as a temp power, but if it were ported to War Mace it'd have to be shrunk some like was done with the Carnie Mallet, so it'd be like a different weapon.|
Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Yeah, i wouldn't bet on that. i'm fine with unlockables. On another note, a bunch of those weapons are available as temp powers and/or wouldn't make sense as an option for an existing powerset, like the Void Hunter Rifle. The Coralax big hammer one of my alts received as a temp power for running the (Silver Mantis?) SF.
i agree with the proposal to make a bunch of the others available as player weapons. |
The Void Hunter Rifle could possibly work for Robotics, but it's also a temp power, and temp powers are something BABs said they wanted to keep unique...
Issue 16 made me feel like this.
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I know this is probably a tall order with a massive can o' worms attatched to it, but...
I would love to get Freakshow arms. Like those massive clawed arms for a Claws character. Maybe even a "clean" version that's not so cobbled-together.
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Why should temp powers get to be more unique than the powers that define our abilities? That's dumb.|
Originally Posted by Vanden
I know the Coralax hammer is available as a temp power, but if it were ported to War Mace it'd have to be shrunk some like was done with the Carnie Mallet, so it'd be like a different weapon.
The Void Hunter Rifle could possibly work for Robotics, but it's also a temp power, and temp powers are something BABs said they wanted to keep unique... |
Also, as near as I can tell the Broadsword and Longbow mayhem temp powers look pretty frickin similliar to to default options for Broadsword and Archery.
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Well, I think what he meant was that when a temp power has a model made for it, they'll want it to remain unique. He said it when explaining why the skull-on-a-stick option was being removed from War Mace, because it was used for the Loa Bone temp power.|
Originally Posted by Blood Spectre
Why should temp powers get to be more unique than the powers that define our abilities? That's dumb.
Also, as near as I can tell the Broadsword and Longbow mayhem temp powers look pretty frickin similliar to to default options for Broadsword and Archery. |
And hey, I made the OP better! Now all the pictures are to scale with each other except for the snake knife because I can't figure out how to get that stupid thing to show up in demos!
Issue 16 made me feel like this.
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I know, I'm just venting because to me making a costume piece an unlockable is the same as not making it available. You know what, screw putting these in we need a wider variety of concept weapon models available at level 1. Let's get some energy, organic, and overly-stylized weaponry in there.
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Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
Considering that most, if not all available enemy weapons require unlocking, I would bet any new ones they add will also require unlocking.
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Branching Paragon Police Department Epic Archetype, please!
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This post does nothing to explain why there should be less options. Maybe I'm just to brain fuzzed by work to get it.|
Originally Posted by Vanden
Well, I think what he meant was that when a temp power has a model made for it, they'll want it to remain unique. He said it when explaining why the skull-on-a-stick option was being removed from War Mace, because it was used for the Loa Bone temp power.
And hey, I made the OP better! Now all the pictures are to scale with each other except for the snake knife because I can't figure out how to get that stupid thing to show up in demos! |
Nice work on the OP though.
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Well, look at it this way. When you get the Wave Scrambler, you use it and you're like, "Oh, it's just Psychic Scream." But when you get the Rune of Warding, you use it and you're like, "Wow, I've never seen that before, how cool!" And that's exactly what the devs decided they wanted.
Issue 16 made me feel like this.
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The devs seem quite arbitrary in what they deem to be unique pieces or not. Sometimes it's explained and makes sense, like how NPCs can have long skirts because they won't have as many animations as PCs have. A CoT Mage is not going to bust out an Eagle Claw, whereas somebody's ankle-length-dress-wearing martial artist character probably will, and clip horribly doing it. Yes, yes, burden there in theory is on the character-maker, but you can see the dev side too. (Note that I'm just randomly picking a fancy power, EC might not specifically be the issue.)
Other times...well, the decision to keep piece [x] unique presumably does have an explanation beyond "/e shrugs", but we're not privy to it. For example, some of the NPCs added to explain or award Merits have small headset-radio type pieces, something I and others have wanted for years now, yet these minor NPCs get them? And we don't get that skull-kebab mace merely because it's on a temp power? It just winds up being the same reason one of my weapon-wielding characters can't relieve a Knife of her Knife, which basically is "Because".
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True, but it's, again, applied seemingly arbitrarily. One would think a weapon with special power against fey creatures like Red Caps, the Iron Blade, would be something other than a basic-model Broadsword with a level-1 attack.
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Originally Posted by Vanden
Well, look at it this way. When you get the Wave Scrambler, you use it and you're like, "Oh, it's just Psychic Scream." But when you get the Rune of Warding, you use it and you're like, "Wow, I've never seen that before, how cool!" And that's exactly what the devs decided they wanted.
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I was afraid that was what you were saying, and basically that's not an argument I am prepared to accept. Consider my own reaction to every temporary power ever, including but not limited to Rune of Warding and Wave Scrambler.|
Originally Posted by Vanden
Well, look at it this way. When you get the Wave Scrambler, you use it and you're like, "Oh, it's just Psychic Scream." But when you get the Rune of Warding, you use it and you're like, "Wow, I've never seen that before, how cool!" And that's exactly what the devs decided they wanted.
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"Wow, neat-o" And then I remove it from my power tray and never cast it ever again.
Keeping things unique is a terrible buisness model too. Giving people something to base a new character around leads directly to people making a new character, which leads directly to them sticking around to level that guy up. We should be beset with a torrent of extraneous options such as these. It's good buisness.
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That makes too much sense. |
Originally Posted by Blood Spectre
Keeping things unique is a terrible buisness model too. Giving people something to base a new character around leads directly to people making a new character, which leads directly to them sticking around to level that guy up. We should be beset with a torrent of extraneous options such as these. It's good buisness.
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Branching Paragon Police Department Epic Archetype, please!
I WANT that ring pommeled sword, I've been wanting chinese weapons forever!
Put me down as /signed for EVERYTHING in the OP.
We have a ton of Japanese options, why no Chinese-love?
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It might have to be a whole new power set that requires specific costume parts on the arms, much the way taking VEAT Crab Spider powers forces a Crab Spider Backpack onto the character.|
Originally Posted by AkuTenshiiZero
I know this is probably a tall order with a massive can o' worms attatched to it, but...
I would love to get Freakshow arms. Like those massive clawed arms for a Claws character. Maybe even a "clean" version that's not so cobbled-together. |
At least, that's how I'd like to see it done. If they were just a weapon, you'd have those big honking claws just appear out of nowhere, and they'd have the same fast-but-weak deal going as every other Claws weapon option. I can't imagine attacks using those Freak claw-arms being weak or fast, personally.
Personally, Freakshow might be a fun Epic Archetype to play. Start as a basic Freak, work your way up to Metal Freak or Stunner, and finally go full Freak Tank.
On the topic of new weapons, I really want more Pulse Rifle options. Come on, guys, we have three weapons.
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Greater Ice Sword, I might consider it as an option for Ice Melee, if we ever implement the ability to unlock power customization themes.|
Originally Posted by Vanden
There's quite a few weapons used by enemies that we as players aren't allowed access to. The devs have decided that they'd like to keep certain weapons like Scirocco's scimitar and Manticore's bow unique to the signature characters, but even then there are some weapons left we should be able to use. Here's a few of them.
 Coral Hammer Used by: Coralax Would be available for: War Mace  Coral Club Used by: Coralax Would be available for: War Mace  Arachnos Pistol Used by: Low-level Arachnos Would be available for: Thugs, Dual Pistols  Elder Snake Knife Used by: High-level Snakes Would be available for: Broadsword, Dual Blades  Ring-Pommeled Sword Used by: Midnight Squad bosses Would be available for: Broadsword, Katana  Greatest Ice Sword Used by: Blade Princes (Circle of Thorns Elite Bosses) Would be available for: Ice Melee, Icy Assault, Ice Manipulation There was also a fourth model for Ice Sword available at one point in beta that nobody had seen before; I guess it was an earlier model. But it seemed to work fine, so I don't know why they took it out. I don't have a picture of it, but let's add it to the list.  Tomahawk Used by: Banished Pantheon Would be available for: Battle Axe Anyway, what do you think CoHmmunity? Would you like to see any of these weapons added? |
Coralax hammer as a mace...unlikely. It's pretty much a two handed weapon. There's even a temp power that uses it that way.
Tomohawk, as a battleaxe...no. It's too small for Battleaxe (I've already tried it, looks silly).
Coral club and Elder knife...not sure if both sides have access to those villain groups. They're too signature to no have as unlockables.
Arachnos Pistol seems reasonable. I'll see if we can't get that in for Dual Pistols.
Cool on the pistols BaB's altho maybe you have some more pics of some pistols for DP.
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Coralax are in the hollows, so no reason to limit the coral stuff for that reason.|
Originally Posted by BackAlleyBrawler
Coral club and Elder knife...not sure if both sides have access to those villain groups. They're too signature to no have as unlockables.
Arachnos Pistol seems reasonable. I'll see if we can't get that in for Dual Pistols. |
Also, if you are putting in the Arachnos pistols, you might as well add in the Arachnos maces for War Mace and the rifles for Assault Rifle.
PS: Rusty blade for broadsword, plox.
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