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Great attitude, welcome to Protector, and don't let the comments here sway you from enjoying your character as you want to.|
Originally Posted by David Falkayn
I just joined the game yesterday and played on my first team up last night playing a defender. Had fun doing it, but I'm sure I made my share of newbie mistakes. I'm still getting a handle on chats, tells, etc. I'm a little slow sometimes in reacting--especially if there's a lot of stuff going on. I'm sure I'll improve as I continue to play the game. Your comments here help, but if you see my character playing on your team and I screw up, please feel free to pull me aside after the fireworks and tell me what I've done wrong.
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It may look like there's specific behavior expected from team mates / powersets / archetypes, but really, I'm guessing that this venting is aimed more at experienced players who should "know better".
Personally, there's nothing aside from going AFK without warning that will really annoy me.
Sure KB isn't fun when you've got a great group herded around your tanker. But I wouldn't ask an energy blaster to sit still because it makes the team waste an extra 2 seconds on a mob.
I try to adapt my play style to what is happening. On my tanker example, sometimes I'll remain almost motionless, taunting to me and letting the team take out the mobs. Other times I'll be much more mobile, using my scranker build to take out the more threatening elements before the team even gets there. I've answered questions about builds when asked, but never imposed my opinions about power selections. Especially since you can make any build work in this game if you're not afraid of a challenge.
As a player, I like taking my time, especially on AE arcs, to get into the story more than into the action. Having to move from mob to mob in .5 sec in fear of offending someone would piss me off (unless that was decided in advance as being the tactic). I usually stay away from "speed runs" on task forces because of this.
The important thing is: have fun. If you're not having fun on your current team, then kindly let them know you want to do something else, and leave.
It's all about finding, and then enjoying, what you like to do.
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Decaf, seriously, try it.
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Originally Posted by Demon_Shell
I don't care. I have no leadway on this if you team. There is no breaking me. You do not need Neutrino Bolt, X-Ray Beam, and Cosmic Burst (assuming you already took one or two of the early AOEs). You do not have to pick two prerequisite moves to get a weak rez that brings someone back with no end. It is one move, get the damn rez, it is not going to ruin your build.
People that stop to eat in the middle of a team. Not to get some food from the kitchen, I'm okay with that. That's like five minutes. But actually walk away from the game to go eat dinner. I'm ninety-seven percent sure there's a desk in front of you. And if you're expected to eat with the family (which is completely understandable), then why are you playing so close to dinner time? People that try to stop the team to explain to someone how to play the game when that person isn't listening. Now if that person is listening, fine. We all had to learn somehow. It might not be the most conventional method, but that person might be trying really hard and is just having a hard time. They may not get another opportunity like this. But if they don't care, shut up. I know you're upset, I am too. But if they're above level thirty and they got this far, they obviously don't care. Deal with it, get them kicked from the team, or leave. Preferably the first option on a TF. Which is another thing that's come up a couple of times. People that leave a TF because of a fight. TF/SF time is serious time. Sure, we can have some fun, some laughs, no problem. But at the end of the day, I either want to win the damn thing, or get to the end and realize that we just can't do it with our team's dynamics (which I'm fine with, it happens). If two people aren't getting along, one of them needs to do the adult thing and just stop responding to the other. If you joined the TF, I expect two things of you. One, bar emergencies or previous notification, I expect you to stay to the end (or until there's a concensus that we can't go any further). And two, I expect you to function as a team holding no grudges. I don't care how many times you've rezed the idiot scrapper, if they're the only one that's dead and your rez is recharged, rez them. I don't care how much the controller ****ed you off when they said defenders are useless, if they get hit, heal them. And I certainly don't care if you think it's someone's fault that you got killed, if you see them getting hit, disengage, target the enemy that's hitting them, and save them. This is a team game. We aren't always going to like the people on our team. Being passive aggressive isn't going to teach anyone a lesson. Edited for gender ambiguity. |
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Indeed. It's one power - it doesn't make or break the player. If someone doesn't have a rez you can always work around it. Just like if someone doesn't have fly and wants to do Shadow Shard tfs. You adapt and make it work. You're certainly entitited to your opinion just as I am. If someone doesn't have it, you make due.
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Originally Posted by Ice9_
Decaf, seriously, try it.
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Absolutely. I expect new players to make mistakes. When you have the 42+ month veteran badge, I expect you to at least have a clue.|
Originally Posted by Stalemate
It may look like there's specific behavior expected from team mates / powersets / archetypes, but really, I'm guessing that this venting is aimed more at experienced players who should "know better".
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I love teaming with new players that ask questions and I truly enjoy answering them. Hopefully I will impart some knowledge that will help you play better. I also enjoy it when veteran players admit that they don't know it all and that there might be a better way of doing something. A good portion of that time that veteran player is me. There are certain players that I have ran with who know so much more than I do, I feel like the village idiot. Anytime I get the chance, I try to run with them. I learn so much in one short task force it's like cramming a Calculus class into one week.
Welcome to Protector David. Enjoy your stay. Join Jello Shooters global channel in game. We are a lot more friendly than this thread shows.
Tech Support Rule #1 - They will lie to you. Usually intentionally.
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Apparently I missed the point of this topic at some point.
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Originally Posted by Ice9_
Decaf, seriously, try it.
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Originally Posted by Demon_Shell
I don't care. I have no leadway on this if you team. There is no breaking me. You do not need Neutrino Bolt, X-Ray Beam, and Cosmic Burst (assuming you already took one or two of the early AOEs). You do not have to pick two prerequisite moves to get a weak rez that brings someone back with no end. It is one move, get the damn rez, it is not going to ruin your build.
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Originally Posted by Demon_Shell
Apparently I missed the point of this topic at some point.
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Sorry, I'm a writer. I write as though others understand that everything I say is an opinion. I don't write, "in my opinion, everyone that can get a rez in their primary or secondary pool should get one". That weakens the argument.
No sir, the ironic part is that you cited the wrong first paragraph, this is the one where I crossed the line.
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I went too far, and for that I apologize. No one should delete their character based on someone else's opinion.
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Originally Posted by Demon_Shell
... I don't care if you have a full attack chain, but if you're level 22 on a */rad and don't even have Mutation (the rez), DELETE YOUR CHARACTER! GO BACK TO DOMINATOR/BRUTE!
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Nope, I'm confident that Ice9 quoted the one he wanted to quote.
Seems that you misunderstood him... in both instances you crossed the line, one more egregious than the other.
"Goodbye, Jean-Luc. I'm gonna miss you... you had such potential. But then again, all good things must come to an end..." -- Q
You know what? **** it. This is why all I ever do on this forum is sign up for events.
I withdraw. I'm sorry if I offended anyone. That is, I'm sorry if the idea expressed was done so in a way that people didn't appreciate.
I'm not, however, sorry for expressing the idea.
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Originally Posted by Demon_Shell
Sorry, I'm a writer. I write as though others understand that everything I say is an opinion.
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Originally Posted by Demon_Shell
I'm sorry if I offended anyone. That is, I'm sorry if the idea expressed was done so in a way that people didn't appreciate.
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"Goodbye, Jean-Luc. I'm gonna miss you... you had such potential. But then again, all good things must come to an end..." -- Q
Getting the thread back on topic...
Players who berate* other players for their AT/power sets/power selection.
* note that I didn't say make kind hearted recommendations, I'm referring to those that scold and call the other player names.
"Goodbye, Jean-Luc. I'm gonna miss you... you had such potential. But then again, all good things must come to an end..." -- Q
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Right, telling them how stupid they are for choosing <whatever>.|
Originally Posted by Major_T
Getting the thread back on topic...
Players who berate* other players for their AT/power sets/power selection. * note that I didn't say make kind hearted recommendations, I'm referring to those that scold and call the other player names. |
In the same vein, are those that behave the same way against players who don't/didn't know what certain powers do/did. Not everyone is into the numbers.
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My hero is Euridyce. Her Primary is Empathy and her Secondary Energy Blast|
Originally Posted by Demon_Shell
What's your character's name? What's your Primary/Secondary?
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| As a player, I like taking my time, especially on AE arcs, to get into the story more than into the action. Having to move from mob to mob in .5 sec in fear of offending someone would piss me off (unless that was decided in advance as being the tactic). I usually stay away from "speed runs" on task forces because of this. |
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I sent you a forum email but I'll re-tell it here - check the forums for defenders. There are lots of empathy guides that detail what each power does, when you get it, how to use it, who to use it on (fortitude for example), and all the other little details that make up the powers. There might be a guide for emp/nrg but I am not sure. |
Originally Posted by David Falkayn
My hero is Euridyce. Her Primary is Empathy and her Secondary Energy Blast
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Get familiar with those forums - if you have any questions, there are lots and lots of knowledgeable players who can help you out with answers. Just ignore the ones that snark at you for asking a question.
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Energy has to deal with the unpopular bias that knockback attacks do more harm than help. Be careful when, where, and at what angle relative to a wall that you use multi target attacks like Energy Torrent and Explosive Blast. In general, no one minds knockback done to a single target.|
Originally Posted by David Falkayn
My hero is Euridyce. Her Primary is Empathy and her Secondary Energy Blast
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Empathy has the popular bias that they are what makes a team. The unfortunate down side to that, is blame being placed on your shoulders when something goes wrong. You can't be everywhere at once. Do whatever you can, but stick with who/whomever you value the most (if that's the tank or the odd majority that's separated from the them). Watch the map. Make sure the group is sticking together.
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A great point, there are so very many different ways powers can be utilized, especially when mixed with powers from other characters, we all can learn something new from time to time.
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Originally Posted by bamaWolfie
In the same vein, are those that behave the same way against players who don't/didn't know what certain powers do/did. Not everyone is into the numbers.
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Originally Posted by Ura Hero
4) "We need a (insert AT powerset here)." |
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I hate seeing it with 'We need a HEALER.' Apparently, most teams simply cannot function without green numbers over their heads! Granted, attitudes like this mean that if I ever want to get River on an AE PLing team I can with almost no effort, but it's mind numbingly boring. There are so many other great powersets out there for defending - and *gasp* some of them don't even have a heal!
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Originally Posted by Panzerwaffen
That's my pet peeve right there. I hate seeing that.
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not so much playstyles....I can deal with the knockback, with the constant green flow, with the fool BLANKER.
what really really ticks me off is after spending upteen minutes putting a team together for a TF/SF there is ALWAYS one PENDEJO who will quit because the team doesn't have what they consider to be the perfect team makeup and the TF/SF is undoable because of it.
Also like most of us here, we've been around for quite sometime I really hate when some numbers crunching buttmunch tries to tell me what's the best way for me to play/build MY toon. I mean jeeeeezus you build/play your toons the way you want and i'll build/play mine my way.
Rican..........
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Welcome to the game. Feel free to PM me if you want to set up a time for someone to run you around a bit, show you the basics.|
Originally Posted by David Falkayn
I just joined the game yesterday and played on my first team up last night playing a defender. Had fun doing it, but I'm sure I made my share of newbie mistakes. I'm still getting a handle on chats, tells, etc. I'm a little slow sometimes in reacting--especially if there's a lot of stuff going on. I'm sure I'll improve as I continue to play the game. Your comments here help, but if you see my character playing on your team and I screw up, please feel free to pull me aside after the fireworks and tell me what I've done wrong.
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Definitely visit the defender boards for specific advise about your build, but I'll give my standard emp comments.
1) Early game your heals are going to be your most effective powers. However, your buffs and attacks are going to be what you use late game, so you'll want to take them and slot them. Fortitude is considered one of the best buffs in the game.
2) Unless you are committed to only one character at a time, playing the other ATs will give you a lot of insight into your defender. For me, playing the other ATs (including a variety of other defenders) caused both the buffing and healing of empathy to become instinctive.
If you play with the same attitude as your post, you're going to find that people are more than happy to answer any questions you might have and laugh with you over mistakes. We were all new once.
My Characters
The "cut to the chase" player. If there is one thing that I hate it is zoning into a mission only to see the "Mission Completed" pop up.
Yes, I can understand that in some cases you want to "ghost" missions. But come on, there are times when the team is in synch and working fine that there would be no problem or difficulty of playing through the map.
After +63 months and so many characters I have to use Excel (moving to MySql soon) to track them:
1. Joining a team and having someone ask my why I did not take power-so-and-so or pool-so-and-so because they only saw my AT and level while doing the random search.
2. Asking me why, after a fight, I did not respond to their tells/local/requests for information concerning nothing about the current fight we were just in.
3. Listening to a player rant and rave about how "uber" they are only to see them faceplant on the first mob that they aggro away from the person that was trying to hold aggro.
4. Asking if the team wants to ghost a mission, then hearing the complaints that they did not get mob XP.
Sometimes, I impress my boss. Sometimes, I impress myself. The rest of the time, I scare people. I can live with that.
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Originally Posted by Janlee
After +63 months...
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C'mon now, that was funny!
"Goodbye, Jean-Luc. I'm gonna miss you... you had such potential. But then again, all good things must come to an end..." -- Q
As far as playstyles that drive me nuts (many of which listed above):
Attention ******. If you decide to play on a team, be a member of the team. Dont try to get everyone to notice what an amazing job you are doing.
Blaster teammate: Did you see that! I was totally tanking that mob.
Me: Yes, those cold shields and quicksand had nothing to do with it. *eyeroll*
My Characters
What's your character's name? What's your Primary/Secondary?