Well, the second build would require the ultra rare to run that chain.
I *think* it should work out, as the ultra rare will add 30% recharge to each attackafter ED, including maxing hasten out.
However, I was actually planning to run
Midnight Grasp/Gloom/Smite/Siphon Life/Gloom/Smite
Which I think requires similar recharge anyway (for gloom).
Part of why I like the first build, I'm guaranteed to run the chain above and could just as easily run MG>SM>SL>SM.
Obviously I'd run the one that was better DPS, but I'm not positive which is the best.
Hey!
Was hoping yall could give my dm/sd a good looking over and tell me if there is anything glaring wrong that i have messed up in my respec of this toon. End is a bit of an issue but typically only when I'm solo and facing an AV. (The cardiac tier 2 = never ending end). What I was also wondering is that with the higher spiritual slot would End be better with liberal use of CP if so would it sustain the end or is this just going to be something I need to test myself?
Thanks for any suggestions all criticism welcome.
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Looking at the two I'd have to agree I do like the first one better
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Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus
Well, the second build would require the ultra rare to run that chain.
I *think* it should work out, as the ultra rare will add 30% recharge to each attackafter ED, including maxing hasten out. However, I was actually planning to run Midnight Grasp/Gloom/Smite/Siphon Life/Gloom/Smite Which I think requires similar recharge anyway (for gloom). Part of why I like the first build, I'm guaranteed to run the chain above and could just as easily run MG>SM>SL>SM. Obviously I'd run the one that was better DPS, but I'm not positive which is the best. |
Virtue: @Santorican
Dark/Shield Build Thread
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Yeah I've compared both builds a dozen times and I think I just prefer everything that build has in comparison to the other.|
Originally Posted by Santorican
Looking at the two I'd have to agree I do like the first one better
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I wanted as much AoE as I could muster, but as I've been using Shadow Maul in my level up build - I really just don't like it very much.
I also think that while I'll lose out on the bonus healing from Siphon + Spiritual, Cardiac overall will do more for the build.
I recently made a DM/Shield Scrapper myself. I can honestly tell you, if you want certain issues corrected- taking your own build is good...but if you search around for the DM/Shield build of Powerforge, you will find yourself impressed. It just needs to be updated for i19 and then all would be set. I have a copy of it on my comp, but I'm at work right now...
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I don't think I see anything I would outright call a mistake.|
Originally Posted by tektronics
Hey!
Was hoping yall could give my dm/sd a good looking over and tell me if there is anything glaring wrong that i have messed up in my respec of this toon. End is a bit of an issue but typically only when I'm solo and facing an AV. (The cardiac tier 2 = never ending end). What I was also wondering is that with the higher spiritual slot would End be better with liberal use of CP if so would it sustain the end or is this just going to be something I need to test myself? Thanks for any suggestions all criticism welcome. |
Your endurance consumptions is a bit high, and even though you have good recovery I'd probably try to find a way to bring it down a touch - that being said the cardiac alpha will probably do that for you.
A few changes you could make:
Since you only have 5 slots there, you might as well go for Armageddon in Dark Consumption instead of Obliteration.
Although I would actually 6 slot DC with Oblits at that point, and 5 slot armageddon in SC.
You can gain a very tiny amount of +resistance (1%) by slotting the Steadfast unique in Deflection - this costs you no extra slots.
If you needed 1 slot for anything, you could remove the +DEF piece from CJ and still remain softcapped. I'd be inclined to use it in Active Defense for a 3rd membrane, or to add an enzyme.
Other than that, it looks solid.
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Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus
I don't think I see anything I would outright call a mistake.
Your endurance consumptions is a bit high, and even though you have good recovery I'd probably try to find a way to bring it down a touch - that being said the cardiac alpha will probably do that for you. A few changes you could make: Since you only have 5 slots there, you might as well go for Armageddon in Dark Consumption instead of Obliteration. Although I would actually 6 slot DC with Oblits at that point, and 5 slot armageddon in SC. You can gain a very tiny amount of +resistance (1%) by slotting the Steadfast unique in Deflection - this costs you no extra slots. If you needed 1 slot for anything, you could remove the +DEF piece from CJ and still remain softcapped. I'd be inclined to use it in Active Defense for a 3rd membrane, or to add an enzyme. Other than that, it looks solid. |
Yea, I realized that armageddon could be slotted after I had posted up this build and since this is how it stands live and will slot it when I acquire the funding.
I have the Tier 2 cardiac and pretty much have no endurance problems plus the extra resistance ~3% is always nice.
As for the other suggestions I like the switching of the steadfast (never realized that /facepalm) and as for the extra membrane/enzyme in AD how much benefit will I get from that exactly?
Also re-ran the pylon with this build and the cardiac alpha for a time of 3:47 (297 dps)
Thanks Dues for the help!
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Well the membrane will up your DDR a touch, I haven't checked but probably a few percent (which would then get doubled), could be as much as +6% to DDR - and then ring down the recharge a touch (which you probably don't need)|
Originally Posted by tektronics
as for the extra membrane/enzyme in AD how much benefit will I get from that exactly?
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The enzyme would do the same (more actually), but will also decrease the End cost.
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Originally Posted by tektronics
Also re-ran the pylon with this build and the cardiac alpha for a time of 3:47 (297 dps)
Thanks Dues for the help! |
Well done! Only 3 DPS from breaking the 300 barrier, that's amazing.
I doubt my Brute will be capable of that, due to lower numbers from AAO, Soul Drain and damage bonus saturation from Fury.
I debated whether I wanted the top end DPS or if I wanted the added AoE & Survivability from Dark Oblit & Darkest Night, and chose the second direction.
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I use the Spiritual Enhancement and I've never had any endurance issues, with Dark Consumption and Conserve Power I've never once dropped toggles. I usually have 10 toggles running so yeah lol. I made a few changes to your build.|
Originally Posted by tektronics
Hey!
Was hoping yall could give my dm/sd a good looking over and tell me if there is anything glaring wrong that i have messed up in my respec of this toon. End is a bit of an issue but typically only when I'm solo and facing an AV. (The cardiac tier 2 = never ending end). What I was also wondering is that with the higher spiritual slot would End be better with liberal use of CP if so would it sustain the end or is this just going to be something I need to test myself? Thanks for any suggestions all criticism welcome. Code:
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Virtue: @Santorican
Dark/Shield Build Thread
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His build is pretty out of date, you'd have to update it for the BoTZ change, as well as I19. Most of the builds posted here are already up to date and some have better numbers then powerforge's build.
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Originally Posted by Kain Tremere
I recently made a DM/Shield Scrapper myself. I can honestly tell you, if you want certain issues corrected- taking your own build is good...but if you search around for the DM/Shield build of Powerforge, you will find yourself impressed. It just needs to be updated for i19 and then all would be set. I have a copy of it on my comp, but I'm at work right now...
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Virtue: @Santorican
Dark/Shield Build Thread
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HOLY CRAP LOL!|
Originally Posted by tektronics
Yea, I realized that armageddon could be slotted after I had posted up this build and since this is how it stands live and will slot it when I acquire the funding.
I have the Tier 2 cardiac and pretty much have no endurance problems plus the extra resistance ~3% is always nice. As for the other suggestions I like the switching of the steadfast (never realized that /facepalm) and as for the extra membrane/enzyme in AD how much benefit will I get from that exactly? Also re-ran the pylon with this build and the cardiac alpha for a time of 3:47 (297 dps) Thanks Dues for the help! |
Virtue: @Santorican
Dark/Shield Build Thread
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Yea, whenever I team I usually use DC as some extra aoe with SC so teaming I have no problems with end (usually buffed as well) even with my travel power running. I just don't want to waste and kill my fodder with the dmg from DC when solo. I'm saving up shards and will probably go for the rare spiritual whenever it gets released and experiment with that since endurance is sustainable with only the Tier 2 Cardiac.|
Originally Posted by Santorican
I use the Spiritual Enhancement and I've never had any endurance issues, with Dark Consumption and Conserve Power I've never once dropped toggles. I usually have 10 toggles running so yeah lol. I made a few changes to your build.
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And awesome I got the epic clap gif from Sant, Christmas come early!!!
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Greetings! I looked over your build, as well as the revisions the others have posted. Here's my take on the build:|
Originally Posted by tektronics
Yea, I realized that armageddon could be slotted after I had posted up this build and since this is how it stands live and will slot it when I acquire the funding.
I have the Tier 2 cardiac and pretty much have no endurance problems plus the extra resistance ~3% is always nice. As for the other suggestions I like the switching of the steadfast (never realized that /facepalm) and as for the extra membrane/enzyme in AD how much benefit will I get from that exactly? Also re-ran the pylon with this build and the cardiac alpha for a time of 3:47 (297 dps) Thanks Dues for the help! |
Your original version doesn't have enough recharge in MG to run the MG>Smite>SL>Smite chain gapless, which requires 234.2% recharge.
SL's heal component is under-enhanced - using the 3/3 nucleolus/golgi slotting, as Sant already suggested, you gain 20 HP/attack chain, which wll be more effective regen than having the 12% regen set bonus from the two Numina's that you have slotted.
Smite's damage is under-enhanced, though I understand that you did so in order to fit in two damage procs. Sant almost suggested what I prefer for better DPS. I use the Hecatomb set in Smite, minus the Dam/Rech, plus the Clouded Senses proc - the purple proc in Smite gives it two chances to fire in the top chain. MG gets 5 Crushing Impacts, minus the Dam/End, plus the Hecatomb: Dam/Rech.
In the revision I have below, I also eliminated Maneuvers from the build entirely and removed the purple set from Boxing. SC gets the Armageddon set, Shadow Maul replaces Maneuvers with a full Oblit set, and AD gets a third slot for a 3rd Membrane. So, you lose a slotted Boxing for SM for more AoE capability, which is a good trade IMO.
The third membrane allows AD to double-stack and raises your DDR from 84.12%(when double-stacked) up to 89.59%.
There are a few other changes you can look over. Your gross end recovery is lower, but so is your usage, which actually raises your net recovery by 0.12/sec. Regen is slightly lower, but is more than made up for by SL's increased healing. Accuracy is up from your build, which for SD is a good thing (going from 89.64% to 93.42% vs. +4). You'll have more buffer in Melee and Ranged for Def debuffs as well.
As far as the Spiritual vs. Cardiac... I'm not sure which will work better. With the build I put together, CP only has the default slot for recharge, so I'm inclined to think that the Spiritual would be better, which would also allow for better DPS since SD would recharge faster. I admit I haven't played with the Alpa slot on my DM/SD because I've been obsessing over my two new toons (Claws/SR scrap and Fire/Rad Corruptor), so I would go with Sant's advice on this point.
Here's the build, see what you think:
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I finally figured out a way to go with Gaidin's Smite slotting so I am going to give that a try. Two issues with this build is my defense, it is a little low which not having capped ddr I will run into defense issues with debuffing enemies, and the slotting in Soul Drain. I am trying to have around 80% chance to hit against L54 enemies but at 80ish accuracy including global bonuses I don't think that is up to snuff.
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Murcielago: Level 50 Natural Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dark Melee
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Smite -- Hectmb-Dmg(A), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(3), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(11), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(13), Hectmb-Dam%(13), Cloud-%Dam(27)
Level 1: Deflection -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def(3), LkGmblr-Rchg+(5), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(5), GA-ResDam(9), GA-3defTpProc(43)
Level 2: Battle Agility -- HO:Enzym(A), HO:Enzym(7), LkGmblr-Rchg+(9)
Level 4: True Grit -- Panac-Heal/EndRedux(A), Panac-Heal/Rchg(7), Panac-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(15), Panac-Heal(25), Panac-Heal/+End(25)
Level 6: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def(31), LkGmblr-Rchg+(39)
Level 8: Siphon Life -- HO:Nucle(A), HO:Nucle(11), HO:Nucle(15), HO:Golgi(23), HO:Golgi(40), HO:Golgi(50)
Level 10: Active Defense -- HO:Membr(A), HO:Membr(23), HO:Membr(48)
Level 12: Maneuvers -- HO:Enzym(A), HO:Enzym(31)
Level 14: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 16: Boxing -- Stpfy-Acc/Rchg(A), Stpfy-EndRdx/Stun(17), Stpfy-Acc/EndRdx(17), Stpfy-Stun/Rng(19), Stpfy-Acc/Stun/Rchg(19), Stpfy-KB%(21)
Level 18: Dark Consumption -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(29), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(37), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), Oblit-%Dam(39)
Level 20: Tactics -- GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(42), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(42), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(42), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(43), GSFC-Build%(43)
Level 22: Phalanx Fighting -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 24: Tough -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(34), Aegis-EndRdx/Rchg(34), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(40), Aegis-ResDam(45)
Level 26: Weave -- HO:Enzym(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(27), LkGmblr-Rchg+(29), SW-ResDam/Re TP(31)
Level 28: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 30: Soul Drain -- C'ngBlow-Acc/Rchg(A), FotG-Acc/End/Rech(45), AdjTgt-EndRdx/Rchg(46), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(46)
Level 32: Midnight Grasp -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(33), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(33), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 35: Shield Charge -- Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg(A), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(36), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(36), Armgdn-Dam%(37)
Level 38: One with the Shield -- ResDam-I(A)
Level 41: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 44: Physical Perfection -- P'Shift-EndMod(A)
Level 47: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(48), RechRdx-I(50)
Level 49: Grant Cover -- EndRdx-I(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Acc-I(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Clrty-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrcl-Heal(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+(45), Numna-Heal(46), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(50)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(21), P'Shift-End%(40)
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Virtue: @Santorican
Dark/Shield Build Thread
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I am running late for work, but I'll look at it either when I get home or tomorrow. |
Originally Posted by Santorican
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Here's a bit of a different approach on this combo...
46.1%/46.4%/45.4 m/r/a defense
37.8% s/l res - 72.5% with OwtS
23.4% f/c res - 40.8% with OwtS
17.1% e/n/t res - 34.5 with OwtS
1986 HP with all the accolades - cap with OwtS
DDR a bit low at 90% with 2x AD
Accuracy a bit low against +4 but shouldn't be problem with SD
Endurance should be fine with DC and CP
Runs Smite-MG-Smite-SL chain
Should be just that much better with rech/HP alpha
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*Strokes beard* There are some very nice ideas that I like in there. Thank you Iggy
Virtue: @Santorican
Dark/Shield Build Thread
Yeah, something I've been toying with on my own Fire/Shield. Trying to get the most out of OwtS. Getting HP cap and maybe even s/l resists to cap with the proper alpha.
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Yeah if you can spare the slots, OWTS is worth slotting IMO. Especially on a DM. The endurance boost will ensure you are near full Endurance when the crash hits, and then DC to full right after.
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Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze
Yeah, something I've been toying with on my own Fire/Shield. Trying to get the most out of OwtS. Getting HP cap and maybe even s/l resists to cap with the proper alpha.
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Ok, made a few changes but I need some critical eyes.
Was re-reading the thread and thought about what Gaidin said while back on LoTG 7.5 in Grant Cover.
0.05 is a tiny amount, but we often chase that much recovery bonus...
Which popped a light in my head as I realized:
- I could slot that LoTG in Grant Cover - gaining a slot and then
- Slot 2 miracles into OWTS which gives me higher +HP in OWTS than the previous build as well as nearly enough recovery to make up for the loss by having no end rdx in Grant Cover.
Then I slotted a second kismet piece into CJ and ended up with better overall net recovery than I had on the last build I posted.
However, I wasn't completely def capped and was forced to a pretty extreme measure to get it by slotting a 3rd enzyme in Battle Agility (alternatively it could be slotted in CJ, but slotting it in BA grants the tiniest bit more end rdx)
The third enzyme in BA seems like a waste, but I'm stumped how else to get that last shred of ranged def.
A second concern: I have no accuracy slotting in Soul Drain, but I can't see how I could possibly softcap all positions and keep this level of recharge by dropping Gaussian's.
Is 156% Accuracy and +6% To Hit from Kismet enough for reliability against +4 enemies?
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So opinions: Armageddon in Soul Drain or Shield Charge? Armageddon and Obliteration have nearly identical damage and recharge numbers, but Armageddon has the better proc. Really it'll only make a difference on pylon runs, but is the chance of proccing on the pylon worth the chance of proccing on stuff that isn't the pylon and that I don't want dead?
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I think you can take your pick really.|
Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
So opinions: Armageddon in Soul Drain or Shield Charge? Armageddon and Obliteration have nearly identical damage and recharge numbers, but Armageddon has the better proc. Really it'll only make a difference on pylon runs, but is the chance of proccing on the pylon worth the chance of proccing on stuff that isn't the pylon and that I don't want dead?
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For general play, SC will be up more often so you'll get a bit more chances for the Armageddon proc to go off.
I doubt that it will ever make any noticeable contribution to your overall killing speed.
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I've had it in both and I cannot tell the difference between the two at all.
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Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
So opinions: Armageddon in Soul Drain or Shield Charge? Armageddon and Obliteration have nearly identical damage and recharge numbers, but Armageddon has the better proc. Really it'll only make a difference on pylon runs, but is the chance of proccing on the pylon worth the chance of proccing on stuff that isn't the pylon and that I don't want dead?
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Virtue: @Santorican
Dark/Shield Build Thread
I don't know the math too well of the alpha boosts but do you have enough recharge to run MG>SM>SL>SM chain in the second build?
Virtue: @Santorican
Dark/Shield Build Thread