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I truly never noticed, and I have 6 Doms at level 50, all of them actually played (no PL). |
Originally Posted by Microcosm
You're kidding right? From paragonwiki:
"Domination doubles the magnitude of the villain's own Disorient, Hold, Sleep, Immobilize, Fear, and Confuse effects for their normal durations, then keeps them going at normal magnitude for half that amount of time longer. |
Though the last 3 I played were done as a 3-box trio from the ground up, and all were Fire Doms, so I had a ton of control. However, I'm cautious, so I normally never bite off more than I can chew without Domination, and I only use Domination against the final boss of a mission. Its a habit I've had since Dominators were introduced.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Muon_Neutrino
turn things into statues forever!! MUHAHAHA!!
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The reduction to abilities of fissure from the troller version is probably to put it more in line with a cone. Since all dom sets but and thorns get one pbaoe and one cone. NRG getting no cone and thorns getting two and a drop. These are cone stats on a targetted aoe. I think it will work out well being essentially a short range aoe that doesn't require lining up targets like every other dom set.
Need to let Doms use the new "Ground Punch" animation for Tremor.
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I personally was hoping for Earth's Embrace.
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Originally Posted by UnicyclePeon
I'm glad it has Power Boost. I personally prefer more layers of safety, even well into the range of overkill. Also, does Domination increase mez duration? You said it did but I never noticed.
Anyway, I could live with build up but I'm happier with Power Boost. I like to be able to take my time. |
Arc #40529 : The Furies of the Earth
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What exactly is very good about it?|
Originally Posted by macskull
It's actually a very good power. You don't fight flying enemies all that often, really. Trust me. Unless you derive your entertainment from fighting custom mobs consisting of nothing but Longbow Eagles, I think you'll live. It's not like you'll have your pick of, oh, 17 or so other powers to neutralize that enemy.
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Again, it is the worst DPS level 1 attack Doms get. It is worse than Thorny Darts or Psionic Dart. It is about HALF the dps of most of the level 1 attacks like Charged Bolts or Ice Bolt. The knockup alone makes it very good?
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The knockup on it is great provided you aren't a primary that makes extensive use of powers with -kb. but that seems to be the case for the entire set as a single aoe -kb like fire cages means the secondary effect on:|
Originally Posted by macskull
It's actually a very good power. You don't fight flying enemies all that often, really. Trust me. Unless you derive your entertainment from fighting custom mobs consisting of nothing but Longbow Eagles, I think you'll live. It's not like you'll have your pick of, oh, 17 or so other powers to neutralize that enemy.
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stone spear, stone mallet, tremor, hurl boulder, heavy mallet, and fissure are all negated.
For me the inability to use spear against flying targets is a non-issue as I've honestly never even noticed that problem playing plant. However, the inability to use the power while I'm off the ground is a really big issue for a long range st attack.
All the lava animations look really nice on the set though imo.
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By DPS I assume you mean DPA. |
Originally Posted by Wavicle
What exactly is very good about it?
Again, it is the worst DPS level 1 attack Doms get. It is worse than Thorny Darts or Psionic Dart. It is about HALF the dps of most of the level 1 attacks like Charged Bolts or Ice Bolt. The knockup alone makes it very good? |
I'm assuming it is a high damage attack with low recharge. Which would actually mean low DPS as well. But if it's only moderate damage with a long animation time, that would definately mean low DPA.
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It is the tier 1 attack so it does ~56 damage. The reason it has crappy DPA and DPS is because it has a 2.1 sec cast time, which is 0.77 seconds longer than any other tier 1.|
Originally Posted by Jade_Dragon
By DPS I assume you mean DPA.
I'm assuming it is a high damage attack with low recharge. Which would actually mean low DPS as well. But if it's only moderate damage with a long animation time, that would definately mean low DPA. |
DPA is bad because it activates slow.
DPS is bad becasue it cycles slower than the others.
My only real issue with the power is that I can't use it while I'm off the ground, so jumping, flying, end of a teleport, w/e. That and it uses the footstomp animation which I personally feel should be reserved for powerful attacks like footstomp, fissure, fault, rather than a piddly spammed st attack. But I raised that issue when it was first announced and even commented on how repetitive an earth/earth build would be with 3 "must have" powers using an identical animation.
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Infiniti upthread was right; adding the Ground Punch animation for one of the powers even as an alternate would help that. Or maybe the hand clap animation.
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Originally Posted by Frosticus
But I raised that issue when it was first announced and even commented on how repetitive an earth/earth build would be with 3 "must have" powers using an identical animation.
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Arc #40529 : The Furies of the Earth
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Yes, sorry for the confusion. This is the only game I've ever played where people don't use DPS to mean Damage Per cast Second.|
Originally Posted by Frosticus
It is the tier 1 attack so it does ~56 damage. The reason it has crappy DPA and DPS is because it has a 2.1 sec cast time, which is 0.77 seconds longer than any other tier 1.
DPA is bad because it activates slow. DPS is bad becasue it cycles slower than the others. My only real issue with the power is that I can't use it while I'm off the ground, so jumping, flying, end of a teleport, w/e. That and it uses the footstomp animation which I personally feel should be reserved for powerful attacks like footstomp, fissure, fault, rather than a piddly spammed st attack. But I raised that issue when it was first announced and even commented on how repetitive an earth/earth build would be with 3 "must have" powers using an identical animation. |
The Damage Per Activation Time of Stone Spears is butt because of the animation time. That is what I am complaining about. It makes it the worst lvl 1 attack for Doms bar none.
Again, what is good about it? Anything? Beuler?
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Right. |
Originally Posted by Frosticus
It is the tier 1 attack so it does ~56 damage. The reason it has crappy DPA and DPS is because it has a 2.1 sec cast time, which is 0.77 seconds longer than any other tier 1.
DPA is bad because it activates slow. DPS is bad becasue it cycles slower than the others. |
But at least it's not Propel.
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Well, I think DPA is used entirely to avoid confusion. I typically call it DPR when it refers to recharge time. Although technically DPA should mean Damage per Activation, which really wouldn't be the same thing. |
Originally Posted by Wavicle
This is the only game I've ever played where people don't use DPS to mean Damage Per cast Second.
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I'm not really sure how other games handle it, as the only other MMOs I've ever played have had automatic fire attacks that cycle at a constant rate. So DPA and DPR are the same thing.
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And now, someone in the thread on the newest patch notes said that Stone Spears now uses the Ground Punch animation.
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Originally Posted by Obscure Blade
Infiniti upthread was right; adding the Ground Punch animation for one of the powers even as an alternate would help that. Or maybe the hand clap animation.
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Arc #40529 : The Furies of the Earth
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You're right! it might even be worse |
Originally Posted by Jade_Dragon
Right.
But at least it's not Propel. |
propel = 3.7 cast, 28.02 DPA
Stone spears*= 2.244 cast, 23.54 DPA
*really wish they'd take the "S" off as it isn't plural
Wavicle is correct afaik when he says Stone spears is the worst st attack Doms get in terms of DPA. In fact it is matched by only one other power iirc - Fossilize. But that is a long duration hold with huge -def and not really an "attack".
Admittedly I'd say propel is still worse in actual use because it locks you out of using anything else for so much longer.
IMO if they want to keep calling it Stone SpearS it should have a little 5ft aoe on it.
Anyway, as predicted earth is a horrid ranged set. I wasn't expecting it to be as bad as it is, but was still preparing for something awful and boy did they deliver. However, it has some of the highest DPA attacks possible in the st melee ones so I think that just about makes up for it.
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Just checked; it does do Ground Punch now.
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Originally Posted by Obscure Blade
And now, someone in the thread on the newest patch notes said that Stone Spears now uses the Ground Punch animation.
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Arc #40529 : The Furies of the Earth
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I fully agree with you. This feels like my stone brute with no armors and alot of controls |
Originally Posted by Negate
My only Complaint about /Earth is that I keep forgetting I'm not playing a Tank or Brute and when something hits me it REALLY hurts...then I go oops I'm a dom :P.
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Pass that, I'm liking the animations and the lava look put on it. Have to go reserve my name for this toon
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Hurl Boulder appears to be second worst, or thereabouts.|
Originally Posted by Frosticus
You're right! it might even be worse
propel = 3.7 cast, 28.02 DPA Stone spears*= 2.244 cast, 23.54 DPA *really wish they'd take the "S" off as it isn't plural Wavicle is correct afaik when he says Stone spears is the worst st attack Doms get in terms of DPA. In fact it is matched by only one other power iirc - Fossilize. But that is a long duration hold with huge -def and not really an "attack". Admittedly I'd say propel is still worse in actual use because it locks you out of using anything else for so much longer. IMO if they want to keep calling it Stone SpearS it should have a little 5ft aoe on it. Anyway, as predicted earth is a horrid ranged set. I wasn't expecting it to be as bad as it is, but was still preparing for something awful and boy did they deliver. However, it has some of the highest DPA attacks possible in the st melee ones so I think that just about makes up for it. |
This set sucks for actually killing stuff before I fall asleep. Good secondary effects tho....that will mostly be cancelled by secondary effects of the primary.
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@Wavicle, mostly on the Justice server.
Well i tried a plant/EA and plant hold strangler didn't prevent stone spears from performing KD.....maybe it's that way for all of EA.....lets some one with a higher toon test it out, you may be screaming doom fer no reason.
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I actually hate the "ground punch" animation for Stone Spears. It feels more brute-ish than anything. I wish they'd at least make it optional for Stone Spears/Fissure as to which animation you want.
Also, Earth's Embrace would be incredible. It's thematic, not overpowering, and certainly useful.
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I tried it with a lvl 1 fire/earth and ring of fire prevented stone spear(s) from doing knock. Strangler would need to prevent knock for it to prevent knock hehe.|
Originally Posted by MentalMidget
Well i tried a plant/EA and plant hold strangler didn't prevent stone spears from performing KD.....maybe it's that way for all of EA.....lets some one with a higher toon test it out, you may be screaming doom fer no reason.
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Now that they have switched out of repeating the footstomp animation in the same set they need to drastically reduce the cast time on the ground punch for Dominator stone spear(s). For the dominator specific version Bab's should remove the stupid slow rise to the peak of the punch and overall make it hit faster. Bring it down to 1-1.3 seconds.
Hurl boulder has the same issue impale has always had in that the animaion is so bloody long for the damage it does. Except hurl is a bit longer and does less damage
I want to like earth assault, but I know that I have always preferred to have a bit of ranged ability and earth assault is so bad from range I'm just not sure I can do it... I might just have to continue filling my seismic smash/fissure need with my /stone app troller. I hit harder with it on her anyway thanks to kin haha.
Or just up the damage of Stone Spears to fit better with the cast time.
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The Plant Immobilizes stop KB ( my Plant/Storm uses them for that a lot ). Gravity Holds are the Holds that stop KB.
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Originally Posted by MentalMidget
Well i tried a plant/EA and plant hold strangler didn't prevent stone spears from performing KD.....maybe it's that way for all of EA.....lets some one with a higher toon test it out, you may be screaming doom fer no reason.
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Arc #40529 : The Furies of the Earth
Eh, yes, power boost and dom both boost your control duration. That's why you use them at the same time and turn things into statues forever!! MUHAHAHA!!
Seriously, a dom'd fully enhanced power boosted AoE hold lasts more than 50 seconds - almost 20 seconds longer than without power boost. Those normally nigh-useless powers now provide actual AoE control again.
Ditto, I highly doubt it's a coincidence that the recharge on power boost and the AoE stuns is the same. Power boost adds 10 seconds on those powers, which outside of domination have rather short durations. I also find myself using it to boost my opening ST hold on a boss - this allows me longer to mez/kill the rest of the spawn.
Perhaps a permadom wouldn't care, but most doms aren't perma. While I certainly wouldn't turn down a set with a damage boosting power, or other utility like drain psyche, I hardly think power boost is useless. Domination isn't always ready when you need it.
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