In Your Opinion, What is a "Farm"?


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The entire inf, enhancements and salvage systems never really bothered to make the most tenuous amount of sense anyway.

I'm pretty sure the devs realised from the start that flavour text is just flavour text, and ran with it.


 

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Fun? You make this game sound like work.
For some people, that is fun. There are days I'll just sit at my computer for hours and plan builds that may or may not ever see the light of day. Some people like to mercilessly slaughter enemies over and over again for maximum reward generation. Some like to read the stories, and some like to just hang out and chat with their friends. Fun is whatever you enjoy doing.


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I started farming for newbies who are interested in the game beyond simply how fast they can get someone else to use AE to PL their character.

It's very simple really, I take my Lv50 PB into the AE building in AP and start broadcasting that I'm looking for low-level characters to join me in AE missions.

Of the 7 other lower-level characters, usually I'd find at least one player who's interested in the game mechanics, and they'd start asking questions... about my character, about their character, about why is it that their character does not seem as effective against even one Boss where-as my PB can tank the spawn for the whole team.

Of the other 6 people most would just stand around, soak the XP and do nothing. Others would actually show they want to learn, so they'd help by whichever way they can, so I watch them and learn who I've just invited into my team.

So far, out of 3 such teams, I've already found one recruit into my All Kheldian SG, and several others who truly wish to improve their gameplay and enjoy the game itself rather than overpowered characters they have no idea how to properly play... so we'll be making new characters together over the weekend! So, AE can be a wonderful way to meet new people who may share your love for the game.

I'm LordXenite and I farm for newbies.


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Farming, to me....running the same maps or missions over and over for Influence, tickets, drops and so on. Whether it's mu untimed Dreck, my Demon farm, my friend's AE farm set for Shield Brutes and 7 others, it's a farm.

Heck, I'm farming away 10,000,000 points of damage on my Rad/Therm Corr because I want to be hit point capped with IOs and Accolades.
The only time farming becomes a problem is with levelling. If you level too quickly the Devs will take notice. I don't think they care much if people have billions of inf, though I do recall Synapse saying, when Merits arrived, that they were unhappy with some prices on the Market.

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Running around Striga hunting Warwolves = farming.
Resetting Dreck/Demons for drops = farming.
Resetting AE missions for tickets = farming.
Letting a Guide ding you nonstop = farming.

This game is set up for it too, what with the choice to abort missions and then rechoose the first mission, thus redeploying its spawn count.
Nothing wrong with it as long as you don't harass others about it.


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Letting a Guide ding you nonstop = farming.
How is that farming? Thats getting Power leveled.

Yes, you will likely be farming at the same time but that does not automatically merge the two into one super evil coalition of DOOOOM.


 

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I think Chase pretty much nailed it upthread in regards to farming versus hunting. Hunting is actively seeking rewards, while farming is passively seeking rewards. Running the whole Freaklympics arc once because you like fighting Freakshow isn't farming, but resetting the same Freakshow mission 20 times over because of the "good xp" is. Heck, I get frustrated if I have to restart a mission once because I didn't finish it before.

As to whether farming is "desirable" or not, I look at it this way. If I ever got around to writing a book, I wouldn't want people just rereading one page over and over just because they think that's the best bit. I want them reading the whole thing. Likewise, if I had written game content, I would prefer to see it explored rather than exploited.

I personally don't report farms because I'm too dang lazy and I mostly avoid AE (especially in the "hot zones" of Atlas and Cap), but I have no quarrel with those that do. I find the idea of farming to be repetitive, boring, and a little on the shady side. Sure, weekly TF runs with SG-mates is fun, but clearing out the same Boomtown portal map without clicking the glowie, then resetting and doing it all over again is dull dull dull. There's a reason why I sometimes jokingly refer to farming as "the f-word".


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If that is the case and Hunting vs Farming is the difference between Active and Passive then EVERY single AE farm mission is actually a Hunting mission until it is used in this mysterious "Passive" way.


 

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Originally Posted by TheMercurial View Post
I think Chase pretty much nailed it upthread in regards to farming versus hunting. Hunting is actively seeking rewards, while farming is passively seeking rewards. Running the whole Freaklympics arc once because you like fighting Freakshow isn't farming, but resetting the same Freakshow mission 20 times over because of the "good xp" is. Heck, I get frustrated if I have to restart a mission once because I didn't finish it before.

As to whether farming is "desirable" or not, I look at it this way. If I ever got around to writing a book, I wouldn't want people just rereading one page over and over just because they think that's the best bit. I want them reading the whole thing. Likewise, if I had written game content, I would prefer to see it explored rather than exploited...
Hey, I'm with you, but we're getting into the territory of the "How dare you tell me how to play your game?!" silliness.


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If that is the case and Hunting vs Farming is the difference between Active and Passive then EVERY single AE farm mission is actually a Hunting mission until it is used in this mysterious "Passive" way.
By "passive" I mean something along the lines of "with minimal effort", which AE farming certainly falls under. Sorry if my intention wasn't clear. That's what I get for trying to make it as a notable quotable.


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I provided a definition of farming.
If it's not your thing, don't do it.

Unlike the anti-farming jihadis who want us all marching in lockstep to their notion of 'appropriate gameplay', I don't care how you get your CoH jollies.
I comment on something you say and I'm a Jihadist now?!

Sensitive much? What do the kids say these days? "CoH is srs bsns." You claim you don't care how people play CoH. I get annoyed when people exploit (not farm) the game to the extent that the Devs need to take action that it affects MY experience in the game, regardless of what I do or don't do with AE.


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By "passive" I mean something along the lines of "with minimal effort", which AE farming certainly falls under. Sorry if my intention wasn't clear. That's what I get for trying to make it as a notable quotable.
This is false. Most AE farms involve the ENTIRE team FIGHTING.

If you want to talk about minimal effort, fire/kin running an entire map solo, while 7 other door sit---now THAT is minimal effort. If anything AE farming is anything BUT passive or minimal.

Not when compared to the PI farms/pls of old.


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Originally Posted by Agonus View Post
I comment on something you say and I'm a Jihadist now?!

Sensitive much? What do the kids say these days? "CoH is srs bsns." You claim you don't care how people play CoH. I get annoyed when people exploit (not farm) the game to the extent that the Devs need to take action that it affects MY experience in the game, regardless of what I do or don't do with AE.
I think he means let the devs go about their business and you go about yours.


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This is false. Most AE farms involve the ENTIRE team FIGHTING.

If you want to talk about minimal effort, fire/kin running an entire map solo, while 7 other door sit---now THAT is minimal effort. If anything AE farming is anything BUT passive or minimal.

Not when compared to the PI farms/pls of old.
You can go from 1-50 without ever having to take the train to leave Atlas park. Looks like minimal effort to me.


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You can go from 1-50 without ever having to take the train to leave Atlas park. Looks like minimal effort to me.
You can go 1-50 by zoning to PI and standing in a farm forever being done by a fire/kin.

Your point?

EDIT: Ridiculous to bring up travel time in a game where everyone has super powers and the oroborus portal.

Point is most farms will kick you if you don't fight in the AE. Not so much in PI farms of old. So I think being forced to FIGHT in most AE Farms is more effort than door sitting. but you must be using some "special" definition of minimal.


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Originally Posted by Agonus View Post
I comment on something you say and I'm a Jihadist now?!
Feel free to take a generalized comment to heart if you like.

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Sensitive much?
Quite the opposite.


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What is a Farm?

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The Exploit

You're going to encounter an exploit sooner or later. While hunting, the impact is limited: as you complete that mission and move on to another, that exploit is behind you. You might never even recognize it as an exploit. It was just a particularly rewarding single encounter. Since it isn't over-done, the overall impact to the game is minimal.

A farmer, though, hearing of fertile soil, may seek it out and find it's a very nice place to settle down, reaping the benefit of the grossly imbalanced risk:reward ratio of that site for all it's worth... until a dev comes in and busts the farm.

Not all farms are exploits, but this tendency caused many "hunters" to associate "farm" with "exploit."

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Hmm.

I understand you correctly a farmer intentionally looks for exploits and abuses them until "a dev comes in and bust the farm." - that is to say that you believe the farmers exploiting what they can until they are caught are their exploit is shutdown.

Clearly, finding exploits and abusing them is against the EULA. The EULA says that were are to report exploits when we find them.


 

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Originally Posted by Aura_Familia View Post
You can go 1-50 by zoning to PI and standing in a farm forever being done by a fire/kin.

Your point?

EDIT: Ridiculous to bring up travel time in a game where everyone has super powers and the oroborus portal.
I didn't bring up travel time. I brought up effort. It still takes effort to even get to PI in the first place. Not that I condone that method either.

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Point is most farms will kick you if you don't fight in the AE. Not so much in PI farms of old. So I think being forced to FIGHT in most AE Farms is more effort than door sitting. but you must be using some "special" definition of minimal.
I apologize for my unfamiliarity with the ins and outs of the farming community. I didn't realize there were set rules for all of that. Any other pro-farmers care to chime in to corroborate?


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I didn't bring up travel time. I brought up effort. It still takes effort to even get to PI in the first place. Not that I condone that method either.



I apologize for my unfamiliarity with the ins and outs of the farming community. I didn't realize there were set rules for all of that. Any other pro-farmers care to chime in to corroborate?
For a newbie it does take effort, for a vet: Takes no effort at all to get to PI.

Never said I was a pro-farmer btw.

EDIT: Doesn't take effort for anyone who is the right level to get the oroborus portal also. Once you get to a level to get that it's silly easy to get to PI. If you have a base it's even easier, as the base exit for PI puts you right in portal corp.

And fighting in a farm takes more effort than door sitting. Sorry but doesn't matter how you spin the definition.


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OH, and OP this thread delivers as troll bait.

*gets more popcorn*


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Originally Posted by Agonus View Post
For not caring, you sure do seem to make a lot of posts about "kontent kops" and the like.
Not being particularly sensitive to the inanities of forum discourse isn't the same as 'not caring' about the direction the game takes.

Your reading comprehension is profoundly lackluster.


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Originally Posted by Aura_Familia View Post
For a newbie it does take effort, for a vet: Takes no effort at all to get to PI.

Never said I was a pro-farmer btw.

EDIT: Doesn't take effort for anyone who is the right level to get the oroborus portal also.
Shucks, at this point I'm just playing devil's advocate...'s advocate... But, still, you have to pester someone with an o-portal to open it up for you first. Or, y'know, run one of the time-travel arcs that give you the badge. Again, I don't condone either method, because, to me, being on a farm team sounds about as exciting as a double feature of Andy Warhol's Sleep and Empire.

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And fighting in a farm takes more effort than door sitting. Sorry but doesn't matter how you spin the definition.
Are all AE farmhands required to fight on the team? Is this a thing that other people can confirm/deny? Because I saw the term "sponging" elsewhere in regards to this, and as I said before, I dunno how it works.


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Shucks, at this point I'm just playing devil's advocate...'s advocate... But, still, you have to pester someone with an o-portal to open it up for you first. Or, y'know, run one of the time-travel arcs that give you the badge. Again, I don't condone either method, because, to me, being on a farm team sounds about as exciting as a double feature of Andy Warhol's Sleep and Empire.



Are all AE farmhands required to fight on the team? Is this a thing that other people can confirm/deny? Because I saw the term "sponging" elsewhere in regards to this, and as I said before, I dunno how it works.
You can sponge if you find an AE farm leader who is nice. Usually you have to ask FIRST. But 90% of the time you'll get kicked. Especially true for lowbies.


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OH, and OP this thread delivers as troll bait.

*gets more popcorn*
You couldn't be any further from the truth if you tried.


 

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You couldn't be any further from the truth if you tried.
suuuuurreeee


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