In Your Opinion, What is a "Farm"?
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AFAIK they were working correctly. My opinion is that filling a map with only enemies that you know won't attack and proceeding to farm it is an exploit. However, I'm not assigning any morality to it(unlike some people). I just don't think it's a big deal. I'm just calling it an exploit because it is obvious to me(although some disagree, and I'm fine with that too).
How do those enemies behave in the "real" game?
If they don't have attacks, then no "exploit" is possible. If they do have attacks and they were bugged in MA, there is some possible moral hazard for players who knew something was wrong but farmed them anyway. In any case, if its in the game, people will use it. If the devs don't like that, they can change things. It isn't the players job to decipher what's OK to fight and what is an "exploit". |
I do agree that it isn't the players job to decipher what's ok to fight and what is an "exploit." IMO, that should be clearly stated if any punishment is to be handed out. The only exception to that, is when it has a direct significant negative impact on other players. And no, I don't consider somebody getting annoyed because some AE baby doesn't know how to play their character significant.
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Their return to the original way of dealing with problems is welcome. Here's hoping the lesson sticks. |
That is a pretty accurate description of my activity in Comm Officers. Odd thing is the one 50 I got out of it I don't play, and I deleted five mid thirties characters I got out of it, and the couple I have left barely get played. Kinda odd how that worked out for me. But I did make a ton of influence and infamy.
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Simply because the coveted item is different does not make them different things in my mind. Farms for drops, heals, damage, rep, kills, inf. All the same to me.
I (personally) do not accept AE as a valid form of actual farming.
Confusing Powerleveling and Farming is what is messing this whole thing up. Farming is going for Purples, Salvage, Recipes(other than purples), Inf Powerleveling is going for EXP, or getting EXP for other people on your team. The AE should have never offered anything other than the ability to expierience other peoples visions for the game. Give like 1/16 exp. Tickets Schmickets. Maybe I am just an old school farmer. I farm Dev content in PI. I get real drops. I sell them on the market to the Power levelers/levelee's who obviously ENJOY spending hundreds of thousands of Inf on white salvage. |
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I do agree that it isn't the players job to decipher what's ok to fight and what is an "exploit." IMO, that should be clearly stated if any punishment is to be handed out.
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URONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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And as they have been reluctant to provide any generally useful guidelines, the tactics of the previous regime (patch the issue and move on) seem to be the best approach.
AFAIK they were working correctly. My opinion is that filling a map with only enemies that you know won't attack and proceeding to farm it is an exploit. However, I'm not assigning any morality to it(unlike some people). I just don't think it's a big deal. I'm just calling it an exploit because it is obvious to me(although some disagree, and I'm fine with that too).
I do agree that it isn't the players job to decipher what's ok to fight and what is an "exploit." IMO, that should be clearly stated if any punishment is to be handed out. |
Happily, our current devs seems to have figured this out.
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I was always under the impression that statement was put there by the ESRB and mostly refers to the rating of the game. Thats what I was always told.
That's where I'm concerned. I know some people claim to have been banned for exploiting. It seems what the current dev regime did was come up with a lesser punishment than bannage (removing characters) after the fact, rather than using the punishment at hand, then applying it more liberally.
I'm doing a very poor job at communicating.
I'm certainly proud of a lot of the numbers I'm capable of generating, which is a mix of skill, mission design, and build design. I understand your point now. In any case, the argument was over semantics. We both admit we can maximize reward. What I consider a good player does this in their sleep.
I wanted that list to encourage a more moderate point of view in this debate. In that respect I failed. For lack of a better comparison, we're constantly inundated with Republicans and Democrats, yet where is Ross Perot in all of this?
It depends on the culture and the methods of defense. In this case, I don't expect to see anyone on either side of this debate strap explosives to themselves. (eagerly awaits the quote and reply of "We can only hope")
I wanted to make the point that in this AE debate, emotions and opinions have become intensely polarized. I suppose I could have done a better job at this.
I'm certainly proud of a lot of the numbers I'm capable of generating, which is a mix of skill, mission design, and build design. I understand your point now. In any case, the argument was over semantics. We both admit we can maximize reward. What I consider a good player does this in their sleep.
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Will you be including optimized builds in a revised list of "extremist farmer behavior"? |
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Again, under the heading "extremist farmer behavior" you list farmers taking exception to the moral crusading of the Fainting Couch Social Club. Defending yourself & your culture from assault is hardly extremist behavior. |
I wanted to make the point that in this AE debate, emotions and opinions have become intensely polarized. I suppose I could have done a better job at this.
A noble, if doomed, sentiment.
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They are not all the same thoe.
URONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
PP, yer killin' me with all these wacky dog avatars lately!
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My City Was Gone
I (personally) do not accept AE as a valid form of actual farming.
Confusing Powerleveling and Farming is what is messing this whole thing up.
Farming is going for Purples, Salvage, Recipes(other than purples), Inf
Powerleveling is going for EXP, or getting EXP for other people on your team.
The AE should have never offered anything other than the ability to expierience other peoples visions for the game. Give like 1/16 exp. Tickets Schmickets.
Maybe I am just an old school farmer. I farm Dev content in PI. I get real drops. I sell them on the market to the Power levelers/levelee's who obviously ENJOY spending hundreds of thousands of Inf on white salvage.