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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
I don't like the idea of Elec getting a self heal if the rest of the set remains the same for resistance values, etc.
Survivability-wise, it's always been a very solid set. It also has a lot of perks. In general, I don't like defensive sets with lots of utility and perks having a lot of survivability, more survivability than sets that don't have a lot of perks. WP is bad enough for that already. High resistance values, a damage aura, -end debuffs, protection to end drains and slows, increased recharge and movement speed, a self-end recovery power... And now the addition of a self heal and regeneration increase; what amounts to a mini panic click in addition to their tier 9. Even if it's locked at a two minute recharge, that's still a bit much. No sir, I don't like this at all. . |
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I haven't PvP'd in quite some time so would you mind explaining how this is so?
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Originally Posted by Coldmed
that would help the current fotm /ss is in pvp atm
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Sarrate, less posting out here and more beta-testing (because the devs would be fools to not include your number-munchkin self in a closed beta. 
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Awesome nitpickery there. The three minute duration is still hardly enough for anything that actually might have you needing the extra resistance.
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Castle's stated that unresisted damage in PvE is a very big no-no, mostly due to things that shouldn't be killed (like mayhem civvies for one example). The game not knowing what to do with them can cause all sorts of havoc on the servers. This is something we went over around i11 or so, when stalkers were getting their changes.
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
You're right. I don't like Rage as it is either.
I think Castle should fix temp powers from working during the crash and the stacking should be removed. But at the same time I think a portion of the damage bonus should be unresisted or have -res effects added to SS's attacks. . |
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I really like the sound of this.
Comparing Elec Armour to Fire Armour now, Elec is now looking pretty good.
Elec gets
- slightly more S/L resistance
- a poorer heal, but it increases recovery
- end drain resistance, one of the late game bugbears for Fire Armour
- Psi resistance, another late game bugbear of Fire Armour
- a negative hole instead of a cold hole, cold being associated with -Recharge that messes with healing Flames made this a problem for Fire tankers.
- slightly wonky KB protection in Grounded
- Lightning Reflexes.
Fire Gets
- Burn
- Fiery Embrace, especially good if you take Fire secondary
- Better healing
Both tier 9's are a bit on the undesirable side, one's pre-suicide, the other's post-suicide
So Fire will still output more damage and heal better, but Elec gets a good few perks, and tackles most of Fire's weak points very nicely.
I16 will also see us able to recolour either set, making the cosmetic differences even less. If you were dead set on some kind of flaming man concept but wanted Electrical Armour, you could probably pull it off.
Having said all that, I'm planning a Fire Tanker and an Electric Armour Scrapper. I dopnt think Fire Armour will get edged out completely, but it sounds like its got a contender on it shands now.
[Edit] I should consider Dark Armour too, I guess, the three sets have similar heal/resistance/damage aura setups.
Dark I guess still has its niche with the two mez auras as a Tanktroller rather than Scranker build.
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Assuming that it is enhancable for recharge and heal/regen (as that tier power should normally be) this should have a huge impact on Electric Armor as a tanking set.|
Originally Posted by Sarrate
It's a solid change, but how much of an impact it will have will depend on the specifics of it (is the heal/regen slottable, recharge enhanceable? etc).
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Power builds can get this to perma status.
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Having used the power to solo obnoxious elite bosses (neuron, antimatter, etc), fix situations where I simply dove in over my head in a group setting, and survive countless archvillain battles before IOs came out, I'd have to say you're factually wrong. The three minute duration is and has been long enough for anything that I needed extra resistance.|
Originally Posted by DSorrow
Awesome nitpickery there. The three minute duration is still hardly enough for anything that actually might have you needing the extra resistance.
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As far as being nit-picky, it's counterproductive for people to try to change a power when they don't know what it does. A two-minute unstoppable would suck significantly more.
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Originally Posted by Myrmydon
I haven't PvP'd in quite some time so would you mind explaining how this is so?
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with the new way kb is in pvp and rages toohit. it makes super strength the perfect tool to use in pvp.
every guy comes in and spams kob since it has a big kb and it also disorients.course as we all know now having resist against such things doesnt matter anymore and you need about 14 kb in pvp now to not get knocked around . this makes unyeilding and such powers worthless.
as of now..every tank is invul/ss and every brute is ss/wp..its current popularity is over used like regen is.
lucky for me..my stalker has 14 kb and my fire tank has 15...but the ones that is sure is ...people love to just spam kob
Butane - Electric Armor blows hardcore without serious IO slotting or Aid Self. You stand there and take pretty much every hit that comes your way, and all of the status effects that come with it and then hope that you don't die before a defender / corruptor etc can heal you.
Adding a heal / regen buff to the set was necessary because without it Electric Armor would be a gimp version of Fire Armor. You want to see how your idea about not liking the self heal goes, go tank a few TFs with a Fire tank and never use Healing Flames.
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Yeah, I'm *very* excited about this change. I'm going to just assume now that its effects won't be fully enhancable--hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they pull a SoW-like "no recharge allowed" on us, cuz if it is, I'm so making it perma. |
Originally Posted by Kruunch
Assuming that it is enhancable for recharge and heal/regen (as that tier power should normally be) this should have a huge impact on Electric Armor as a tanking set.
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Edit: On further reflection, w/PS, there's really no reason to make this perma (and potentially wasting the heal), but I'd still get the recharge down as much as possible.
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heal IOs will be better : better heal and better regen for 30 seconds
2rch and 1 end will be enough IMO
hmmm so maybe ill try to soft cap as much as i can for this then..
ill just have to look into wheres slots can go.
lightning reflexes is just recharges right nothing else...like hasten i would imagine
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What if they go the route of Vengeance and Widow: Foresight? Not allowing recharge to be slotted except via IO sets with recharge as an aspect and allow global recharge to affect the power.
Whatever they do, I was excited about being able to make a scrapper or tank with electric armor and this change only peaks my interest more. Depending on how long it takes for i16 to come out, this may be lvl 50 tanker #8 or 9 or even lvl 50 scrapper #6 or 7.
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Lightning Reflexes is +20% rech, 40% rech/slow resistance, and +X% movement speed. It's a carbon copy of SR/Quickness with a different name, basically.
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Originally Posted by Coldmed
lightning reflexes is just recharges right nothing else...like hasten i would imagine
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reading this I do believe I will make an elec tanker when released.
My biggest complaint since elec was in beta was the lack of a self heal, and aid self is just crap. I loved my elec/elec brute back in the day, when I tried playing him recently, he felt anemic. CP was always useless for ElA, nice to see this changed.
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whats the basic slotting of it ?..3 recharges or do you place running in it as well.?
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Originally Posted by Sarrate
Lightning Reflexes is +20% rech, 40% rech/slow resistance, and +X% movement speed. It's a carbon copy of SR/Quickness with a different name, basically.
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It's an auto power. Recharge enhancements aren't slottable. Anything more than one running enhancement is questionable.
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Originally Posted by Coldmed
whats the basic slotting of it ?..3 recharges or do you place running in it as well.?
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Originally Posted by Coldmed
whats the basic slotting of it ?..3 recharges or do you place running in it as well.?
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It's a passive that only takes run and fly enhancements.
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Originally Posted by Coldmed
whats the basic slotting of it ?..3 recharges or do you place running in it as well.?
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Usual slotting is 1 runspeed.
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Originally Posted by Dersk
It's an auto power. Recharge enhancements aren't slottable. Anything more than one running enhancement is questionable.
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Still wouldn't want more than one extra slot in there.
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Originally Posted by _Starbird_
heal IOs will be better : better heal and better regen for 30 seconds
2rch and 1 end will be enough IMO |
As for LR, a lot of SR scrappers seem to wanna do the "no travel power" thing, which involves slotting Quickness as well as like Sprint & Swift. I'd rather just take SJ myself...
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That's influenced by the set encouraging players to take every power when it becomes available, as well as powers like combat jumping and weave. SR makes for a very tight build, and skipping travel powers make it much more manageable.
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Originally Posted by dave_p
No reason not to do both. Sounds like a good place to 5-slot Doctored Wounds.
As for LR, a lot of SR scrappers seem to wanna do the "no travel power" thing, which involves slotting Quickness as well as like Sprint & Swift. I'd rather just take SJ myself... |
I wasn't worried however its a nice change on account that given a typical PuG its not only especially better for new players but an interesting change.
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