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Originally Posted by Lodestar_1977
Then how on earth did you think we procreated then? Since you are all mostly Euro offspring. Just thought Id mention it.
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Originally Posted by MrQuizzles
A wizard did it.
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Originally Posted by Golden_Girl_EU
But not Dumbledore.
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No wizards here mate, Nah, your general wizard tends to like more your fantasy lands, not had any of that round here since... oooh, hard to say really.
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Originally Posted by Golden_Girl_EU
Croatoa is fantasy-ish - and Cimerora can be too.
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Originally Posted by Wolfesbaine
Hmm... pumpkins, or loincloths... which to choose, which to choose.. :P
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Originally Posted by Lodestar_1977
I really dont mean to belittle your point at all and while I of all people am a big beleiver in accepting ones responsibility I think the door swings both ways. I agree it could be irrisponsible to use a word without knowing its true meaning. But I also beleive it is for others to choose not to be offended also. In other words it gets us nowhere by attacking everyone insisting they should change.
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I tottally agree with you Draggynn. I try to do the same. I think it is demeaning to continue to use the word in that way.
Similar to your example is the fact that some people who are offended by that usage are afraid to speak up about it because they will automatically be labeled as gay themselves (whether they are or not, whether they are ready to come out or not). I had this issue at work. I work in a residential treatment center for adolescents, and would treat that usage about the same as if they swore in front of me. One boy looked at me and said, "Why? Are you gay or something?" And I had difficulty coming up with a proper answer since I didn't feel that any of the residents need to know my orientation.
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Originally Posted by Draggynn
...Yeah...we are not going to see eye to eye on this at all. I mean any person can choose whether or not to be offended by any manner of derogatory terms, but that does not make them unoffensive. And I think I hold people to higher standard than you do.
I recognize that when people say "that is so gay" they may not realize that the term is offensive to some people, but when I tell them that I find it offensive, I expect them to stop. I used to be in the bad habit of referring to things I found dumb as "retarded" but after being informed that this was indeed still a term that people found offensive (in this case it was by a friend that had a mentally challenged sibling) I now try very hard to refrain from using that word. To be honest, personally, people calling something gay doesn't really bother me, but I will continue to inform people that I would rather they not use that term. Why? Because there might be someone out there who is gay and is closeted or simply not out to the people involved and every time they hear the term gay used in a derogatory manner it makes it that much harder for them to come out to those people. If the people are using gay in a derogatory way because they believe being gay is wrong, then the "it doesn't mean homosexual" argument holds no weight. If they have no problem with a person's sexual orientation, then using the term gay in derogatory manner sends the wrong message to their potentially closeted friends and acquaintences and should still be avoided. I think that it gets us nowhere if we simply allow these words to go by unaddressed. I will always ask people to stop because there might be someone out there for whom it will make a difference. I just can't envision any situation where I think using the term "gay" in a derogatory manner would be okay since you can't be certain of a person's sexual orientation. |
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
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Wow, this turned into quite an interesting thread. I come from a rather unique perspective in that I was brought up in a very religious Catholic family in a small town somewhere in the mid-west. Fast forward to September 1995...I moved to Seattle(mostly on a whim...another story for another time).
My first longterm job was as a salesman in a Futon company, and my three co-workers consisted of a straight man, a lesbian, and a gay man. After working with these wonderful people over a four year period, I came to not only love them, but understand completely where they were coming from psychologically. I was introduced to the very active gay community in Seattle, and found them to be amongst the most wonderful people I've met in my life.
With that said....going waaaayyyy back to the OP...I completely understand(even as a hetero man) why he was looking for a gay supergroup. Even a city as progressive as Seattle has it's fair share of bigots and idiots.
For my part, I'd join a gay SG/VG simply because IMHO, the gay community are some of most honest and incredible people I've ever met.
Sorry so late to the thread...I don't post very often, but just wanted to share my feelings on the matter.
Edit: I would vote for Dan Savage for any public office....this guy is freaking awesome!
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Originally Posted by Draggynn
...Yeah...we are not going to see eye to eye on this at all. I mean any person can choose whether or not to be offended by any manner of derogatory terms, but that does not make them unoffensive. And I think I hold people to higher standard than you do.
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Originally Posted by Lodestar_1977
Really? Because if you look at all my posts that is exactly what I said. If the intent is meant as offensuve then absoloutely that person or persons are ebing deliberately inflamatory. Im really not sure why you think I said otherwise. Excpet of course in the event you didnt read my full post properly and took the part you chose to pick as "at fault" and dare I say it "out of context".
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Originally Posted by Lodestar_1977
I think the door swings both ways. But I also beleive it is for others to choose not to be offended also.
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Originally Posted by Lodestar_1977
I mean you hold people to a higher standard than me? Do you really? Please do tell how you came by this decision.
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Originally Posted by Lodestar_1977
attacking everyone insisting they should change.
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I have to commend the posters to this thread. It is THE most civilized discussion on this subject that's I've ever read on these forums. Being a native of the NA forums before the merge, if this subject comes up (and it used to come up with some regularity) it would very quickly devolve into a massive flame war (shots being fired by both sides). So kudos to you all.
To the OP: I hope that you found your SG and are having a great time playing CoX (oi the pun there it just toooooo much!
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Originally Posted by Lodestar_1977
Yes it is amusing the idea it means they are not just homosexual but horribly primiscous and will roger anything given the chance. I am straight and even I find that one funny.
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Originally Posted by Rapthorn
I beg your pardon?
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Originally Posted by Lodestar_1977
I think you know after reading my posts what I meant. But Ill clarify. I find it comic that even though as a hetrosexual man myself there is this false myth many so called macho hetro men have that all gays are compelled to bugger every man in sight. Id think anyone ignorant enough to think that would probably be the least attractive and least likely candidate even if they were promiscous.
But saying that maybe I ought not to find it so amusing. It is born of ignorance after all and there is nothing funny about that in essence |
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Originally Posted by thepushbolt
I always just assumed that all Euro's were gay
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Originally Posted by The_Vulgarian_EU
Nah. Just the Swedes.
There were a couple of gay SGs in the early days of the European servers, from what I remember. I think I even teamed with some people from one called the "HomoJustice League". I guess they ran afoul of the filter or a zealous GM. Not being of the persuasion, I haven't the faintest idea how "HomoJustice" differs from the regular type of Justice, but I digress... |
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Originally Posted by Rapthorn
Wait... so your calling me ignorant or the macho hetero men?
I also did that post too late at night. I may have overreacted. |
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Originally Posted by The_Vulgarian_EU
Nah. Just the Swedes.
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Ive skimmed through the posts and im gutted i couldnt add a few things into the mix sooner, but to the OP. Ive been in "The Friends of Dorothy" on defiant for about 3 years now. It was once quite active but now alot have moved to WoW. If it werent for that SG i would have found admitting certain things to myself alot harder. You are very welcome to join us over there, but dont expect alot on, i feel im the only one keeping it alive hahaha.
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Originally Posted by psychabilly
Why are ppl picking on G-A-Y Pride this is the one day in the year that G-A_Y ppl can go about as they would like, its a day they can be themselves in the streets and have fun, hold hands be a couple go shopping watch G_A_Y films what ever with out the fear of abuse or even violence, now straight ppl get how many days a year to do this ?If I was to walk down the road hand in hand in my town at best I would get abuse at worst arrested or even beaten. Ppl on this thread are taking their freedom for granted.
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Originally Posted by MissInformed
...don't need a special day and a parade to do it.
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Originally Posted by MissInformed
I'm sorry you feel the need to hide who you are in the place where you live, but not all places are like that. Prejudice can pop up everywhere, but there are places that are more tolerant, too.
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Originally Posted by coffee_EU
No we're not. Some of us are. Not everyone.
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