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An EB at that settings is just to much.
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On the highest available setting the EB will only be +1/+2 to you anyway (since it would be an AV on Invincible). Still easily beatable by most characters with a few insps.
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I think my build fu is less good then yours is then. Because there are plenty of eb's i cant beat. On villainous using a full tray of inspirations.
Prime example is my Bane who will have to face Calystix. No way that I can beat that one. So unless i find some friends to come with me i will outlevel that mission by at least TWO levels before trying again.
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Make all mobs that aren't EBs into bosses? I would vote for that.
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Interesting idea that would also be a solution to my problem. It would indeed be very challenging.
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I like to have an option as part of the reputation system where you can put the option that EB's or worse do not appear when you SOLO.
Why?
Because they are unnecessary speedbumps. I rather play a mission where each and every opponent is a proper challenge then play a mission set on the lowest setting so I can steamroll over anything except the EB. A challenging mission does not have to mean there must be an End of level Nasty in it.
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That might rule out some missions that have AVs in them - like ther Praetorian arcs.
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Prime example is my Bane who will have to face Calystix.
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I soloed calystix with my bane, it was much easier than with my dominator.
But that mission is easily avoidable anyway, CoV has plenty of content in that level range, I never manage to complete all the sharkhead contacts on one character.
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Although, from my experience, I agree with you, I don't see this happening, precisely for the same reason I don't see another reputation level being added. Also, with the merit thing, I don't see making the acquiring of said merits easier via arcs with no more EBs in them as an option for the future...
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Although, from my experience, I agree with you, I don't see this happening, precisely for the same reason I don't see another reputation level being added. Also, with the merit thing, I don't see making the acquiring of said merits easier via arcs with no more EBs in them as an option for the future...
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You are probably right and i do agree that for some arcs like the praetorian arc this will be hard to implement. Still for the casual player such as me this would be a nice improvement. And I wanted to make this case even if I realize that the chance of a dev doing something with this is less then 1%.
Well, just have soloed Doc Delilah's arc on an Ill troller (I know, I know, he isn't emp defender but not AV killing machine either, not at these levels anyway) Ok, Arbiter Sands is well.., tricky, since drones effectively tank my PA for him, but after two faceplants, and some strategically used confuses on nearby minions he was defeated. EB version of Captain Castillo was pretty much a joke. Especially with new confuse rules on FF generators :ev0l: (AV Castillo, though... well, was on a team yesterday, and in the end we had to call a friendly 50 to just kill him and forget the whole embarrasment.) I once soloed EB Nocturne on a scrapper, although I out-levelled her by then, so it doesn't count...
(These are my very first EBs soloed sub-30, earlier I usually was a bit afraid to do that and sought a team, but after this discussion I just wanted to see if that's indeed that bad.)
I soloed a couple of AVs on my illusion controller in the 20-30 level range (Maestro, Arkhan), but that was before the AV buff.
I've soloed all the EBs in the faultline arc several times with different characters. So long as you use plenty of insps, and are prepared to risk being defeated occasionally they aren't that difficult.
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I usually was a bit afraid to do that and sought a team, but after this discussion I just wanted to see if that's indeed that bad.
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Suppose it's like everything really, some things are tougher then others.
Had a mission last night to destroy 4 Nemesis mole machines. They were level 45, don't know what they are classed as and they didn't fight back but with nearly 25k health each and armour that wouldn't look out of place on a battleship that was probably the most unnecessarily boring mission I have ever done. We had to retrieve two level 50 MM's to speed it up in the end. Even they were only chipping away at the machines health bar, albeit somewhat faster than the lvl 45 toons.
Do the mish, get to the EB/AV at the end, leave it and exit then drop mish. I know its once every 3 days but thats where my next suggestion comes in....make more alts 
I took town the Kronos Titan EB with a team orientated character whose part empath with no damage slots all on my own and it took me ages!!!!
..but I needed that badge. 
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Aside from the three Faultline ones and a few on the Ouroboros TFs, we've got: Frostfire, Atta, Dr. Vahzilok, Heracles, Maestro, Envoy of Shadow, Terra, Countess Crey, Madame of Mystery, 'Nemesis?', Nosferatu, Portal Corp Missions (Dreck, Preatorians, Babbage and the Psychic Clockwork King). Did I miss any...?
I could understand it if this was redside though. Some of those arcs are more random in EB/AV placement.
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The rest of the Nemesis clones, Adamastor, Psychic Babbage, the various ones on LGTF/ITF/STF, most of Recluse's crew, the Shadow Shard ones, Arakahn, Requiem and I'm certain there's still some missing after adding those in.
Having said that there's not many ATs that are not capable of taking down an EB solo either side - a few specific AVs may be extremely difficult for some granted - Envoy of Shadows and for melee characters lacking KB protection Balistas spring to mind. In the case of high mez EBs breakfrees are pretty much essential on squishies but thats to be expected - you still get that issue with bosses.
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I think from reading this thread I'm getting the impression that Grinning Spade wants his cake and to eat it too. The XP from high mobs without the challenge of the EBs.
This game has become more and more dumbed down since NCSoft took over the IP - arguably before then too - but it doesn't need any more dumbing down and sure you can solo but this game is an MMO. If you want to get a game you can solo, then why not get an offline game? One of the major points of an MMO is that you can enjoy the team experience it seems to me, and each AT is designed to work in tandem with others. If that weren't the case there'd be one AT, a form of blappempath.
If you aren't managing to do EBs solo then get a team, or change your AT, or lower your difficulty.
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I think from reading this thread I'm getting the impression that Grinning Spade wants his cake and to eat it too. The XP from high mobs without the challenge of the EBs.
This game has become more and more dumbed down since NCSoft took over the IP - arguably before then too - but it doesn't need any more dumbing down and sure you can solo but this game is an MMO. If you want to get a game you can solo, then why not get an offline game? One of the major points of an MMO is that you can enjoy the team experience it seems to me, and each AT is designed to work in tandem with others. If that weren't the case there'd be one AT, a form of blappempath.
If you aren't managing to do EBs solo then get a team, or change your AT, or lower your difficulty.
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Well I DO love to eat cake.
But that is not my intention. I want to be challenged in this game, not by endbosses or EB's but by the normal mobs.
Having to lower the difficulty to beat the EB defeats my first purpose.
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I think from reading this thread I'm getting the impression that Grinning Spade wants his cake and to eat it too. The XP from high mobs without the challenge of the EBs.
This game has become more and more dumbed down since NCSoft took over the IP - arguably before then too - but it doesn't need any more dumbing down and sure you can solo but this game is an MMO. If you want to get a game you can solo, then why not get an offline game? One of the major points of an MMO is that you can enjoy the team experience it seems to me, and each AT is designed to work in tandem with others. If that weren't the case there'd be one AT, a form of blappempath.
If you aren't managing to do EBs solo then get a team, or change your AT, or lower your difficulty.
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Well I DO love to eat cake.
But that is not my intention. I want to be challenged in this game, not by endbosses or EB's but by the normal mobs.
Having to lower the difficulty to beat the EB defeats my first purpose.
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I see where hes getting at. Certain ATs deal with mobs in different ways, and the difficulties atm work with that principal just fine. So for a Brute whos great at crunching mobs, you can ramp up the difficulty to add more challange, instead of it being a steamroller.
However, I agree that some of the EBs may need a bit of balancing. Challanging, yes, definately. Some of them arent, even solo. And then some are so evil that they make even villains shudder a bit.
And, although it IS an MMO, and is great because of it, you CANT say 'you cannot play this game solo'. An example is a friend in the SG, who only teams with friends and people he knows/respects. He doesnt like PuGs, and so solo's for the most part. He pays his subs too, so are you saying he HAS to play the game a certain way?
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Eh, I got Blitz from 1 to 50 (my first one, even) almost entirely through soloing. And this was before the exp curve adjustments and other changes.
Also, you don't have to do EB missions: You are WARNED before accepting these, the NPC tells you it'd be a good idea to get help, because you may or may not be able to handle it alone. Reading mission descriptions is a valuable skill.
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They are only optional if you don't wish to complete many higher level arcs. There are very few arcs above level 40 without EB's.
Not saying he has to play the game a certain way but don't expect things to change to suit his play style. He's made a choice that he's going to limit his teaming options, but why should valuable dev time be used to cater to his needs compared to the bulk of the player base? As things stand you CAN play the game solo, but you have to make adjustments to do so. I just don't think you need to make more adjustments to make it easier for people to do that.
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And there still are arcs without EBs in the 40s.
I still cant grasp the reasoning for this EBs represent that finale confrontation with the big bad there the jokers, Dr Dooms, Magnetos, and Green Goblins of the CoH universe there the leaders of crime syndicates and street gangs you've just sneaked smashed blasted your way thru there minions to come face to face with them and they should represent a challenge the idea that there no better than some of the minions that you've just dispatched seems pointless to me
Meh, im just seeing his point of view.
Personally, any EB damned stupid enough to get in MY way better be ready to face a good dosing of spine-rending, massed laser/missile/flamer bombardment, evsciration and explosions via backpack or a number of other gribbly fates.
Heck, even Ballista's arent THAT bad...solo'd one on my claws/ninja staker, even level. Still got his spine somewhere...
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Eh, I got Blitz from 1 to 50 (my first one, even) almost entirely through soloing. And this was before the exp curve adjustments and other changes.
Also, you don't have to do EB missions: You are WARNED before accepting these, the NPC tells you it'd be a good idea to get help, because you may or may not be able to handle it alone. Reading mission descriptions is a valuable skill.
Complaining about optional content is a little silly, don't you think?
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Same here, I got my 1st 50 by mostly soloing. Granted it was my Mastermind but still. Again it was well before the xp curve.
Also I purposly did the praetorian arc on my 2nd 50 solo just to see if I could, I only died once and that was facing up against Tyrant.
So yea, The content is optional, you don't have to solo aand Most things in the game are doable solo if that is your preferred method of playstyle
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Not saying he has to play the game a certain way but don't expect things to change to suit his play style. He's made a choice that he's going to limit his teaming options, but why should valuable dev time be used to cater to his needs compared to the bulk of the player base? As things stand you CAN play the game solo, but you have to make adjustments to do so. I just don't think you need to make more adjustments to make it easier for people to do that.
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Well there are a few others who agree with me that this would be a welcome option. So I am not standing alone here.
Please don't forget that unfortunately you cannot always find people to help you out. This morning i was lucky despite there only being 60 people visible on the search screen to find somebody willing to help me help me with I Infernal and Lilith (Even on my SS/WP brute I sincerely welcomed the help and that was on the lowest setting! 
). But that was plain luck and having a good channel to talk to people. I am certain that there are plenty people out there without those resources who will have to avoid missions like that. Thereby missing a nice part of the game. Consequence will be that they grow bored sooner and leave the game. I would have left a few years ago if all there was, were these radio and newspaper missions.
I hoped with this suggestion to make the Story arcs more accessible to people.
Any character that's bearable to mostly-solo in the first place should be able to solo an EB just by chugging Inspirations. (There are a few cases where that breaks down.)
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A SS/WB brute should storm though EBs like paper. I think you are doing something wrong.
Controlers and Doms sometimes have trouble with EBs because of the Purple Triangles of Doom, but as this is actually a power, even if the AV was downgraded to a regular boss they would still have the PTOD, and wouldn't be much easier for mezzers to solo than EB rank.
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I am certain that there are plenty people out there without those resources who will have to avoid missions like that. Thereby missing a nice part of the game.
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The EBs are what makes these missions interesting. Take away the EBs and they would still be missing a nice part of the game.
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An EB at that settings is just to much.
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On the highest available setting the EB will only be +1/+2 to you anyway (since it would be an AV on Invincible). Still easily beatable by most characters with a few insps.
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My point is that an EB should NOT be the deciding factor if a mission is challenging or not. I want every mob in the mission to be a threat.
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Make all mobs that aren't EBs into bosses? I would vote for that.
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