An option for no EB's please

Lets break this down a bit.

I got problems with some AV types. But they are designed to be tough and hard and be a major challenge to take down. To take them down is a major victory and not something most AT's (or in my case even AT who should be able to do so ) can accomplish solo. To diminish them in power would be wrong. I concur with that. Especially since there are not that many of them and you see the trouble coming from afar.

Lets keep those above out of the discussion because I agree with you here.

Then there are EB's who are nothing but a speedbump. They have no major part in the background or an other good reason to be so much more high and might then a bossmob. The only reason is to make life harder for the player. Well that might be nice and dandy but when the player is playing at a difficulty level that is already challenging then making it more challenging is to much. As red player I encounter these to often. Resulting in having to reset the mission into a lower difficulty so I can beat them. Those unnecessary random EB's are a thing I want to optionize out when I solo.


Ps. T3h Pwnz0r should be an EB. You even get a Badge for defeating him!
Pps. Rick Morrani = Dark Helmet actor. Thanks for answering. Ps does it count that I got nightmares about him to raise him in evil stature?

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To take them down is a major victory and not something most AT's (or in my case even AT who should be able to do so ) can accomplish solo. To diminish them in power would be wrong.

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Then there are EB's who are nothing but a speedbump.

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How are you distinguishing between these? Most of the ones you have mentioned seem to fall very firmly in the first catagory.

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so much more high and might then a bossmob

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But they aresn't so much higher. EB HP and damage are really only a little higher than a regular boss.

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Now im starting to disagree, Spadey. Downgraded AVs can still be quite nasty, and so they should be, swear at them though I may
'Normal' EBs get chewed up and spat back out with extreme prejudice, as they deserve No real problems, unless your even worse than me at playing ATs XD

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Then there are EB's who are nothing but a speedbump.

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How are you distinguishing between these? Most of the ones you have mentioned seem to fall very firmly in the first catagory.

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I fail to see a nobody like golden sphinx, 3k kelvin, Unnamed Longbow Balistae or biffs fall into the Darth Vader Category.

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so much more high and might then a bossmob

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But they aresn't so much higher. EB HP and damage are really only a little higher than a regular boss.

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I don't know exactly what they do with EB's but they are significantly harder to beat then a normal boss.

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Now im starting to disagree, Spadey. Downgraded AVs can still be quite nasty, and so they should be, swear at them though I may
'Normal' EBs get chewed up and spat back out with extreme prejudice, as they deserve No real problems, unless your even worse than me at playing ATs XD

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You might be surprised here

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I fail to see a nobody like golden sphinx, 3k kelvin, Unnamed Longbow Balistae or biffs fall into the Darth Vader Category.

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They don't. That's why they are reletively wimpy EBs, not powerful AVs.

You could downgrade natural EBs to bosses, in the same way as AVs are doungrade to EBs but I really don't see the point, for these reasons:

1) There are very few natuaral EBs in the game, they are hugely outnumbered by AVs, so the people you are trying to help would still get hung up almost as frequently as before.

2) Take away the EB status of some mobs, and they may as well not exist at all. The whole point of LB Ballistae is they are EBs. That is what makes them distinctive. And wouldn't Frostfire be a real letdown, if he where only a boss?

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I don't know exactly what they do with EB's but they are significantly harder to beat then a normal boss.

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Yes. They may require a moments thought, rather than just plowing strieght through without noticing.

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And wouldn't Frostfire be a real letdown, if he where only a boss?

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^^ This. How many times have I been on a safeguard or mayhem gone to the bank only to hear cries of "awww only a Boss "

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Now im starting to disagree, Spadey. Downgraded AVs can still be quite nasty, and so they should be, swear at them though I may
'Normal' EBs get chewed up and spat back out with extreme prejudice, as they deserve No real problems, unless your even worse than me at playing ATs XD

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You might be surprised here

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The ONLY EB I have found to be a real challange, and one who isnt normally an AV, is a Ballista. And even then I managed to solo it. Orange conning (equal lvl), with a Claws/ninja stalker. Challanging, but very satisfying. I still have the spine somewhere

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Nosferatu.

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Nosferatu is an AV by default.

But he is still easy if you cap def, or stay at range. It's only when some **** tries to tank him with +res or regen that he becomes difficult.

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Now im starting to disagree, Spadey. Downgraded AVs can still be quite nasty, and so they should be, swear at them though I may
'Normal' EBs get chewed up and spat back out with extreme prejudice, as they deserve No real problems, unless your even worse than me at playing ATs XD

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You might be surprised here

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The ONLY EB I have found to be a real challange, and one who isnt normally an AV, is a Ballista. And even then I managed to solo it. Orange conning (equal lvl), with a Claws/ninja stalker. Challanging, but very satisfying. I still have the spine somewhere

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Now try that at him being +2 levels. A level where you find the normal opponents a satisfying challenge.

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I fail to see a nobody like golden sphinx, 3k kelvin, Unnamed Longbow Balistae or biffs fall into the Darth Vader Category.

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They don't. That's why they are reletively wimpy EBs, not powerful AVs.

You could downgrade natural EBs to bosses, in the same way as AVs are doungrade to EBs but I really don't see the point, for these reasons:

1) There are very few natuaral EBs in the game, they are hugely outnumbered by AVs, so the people you are trying to help would still get hung up almost as frequently as before.



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There are more redsided and es I realize that with this option you would still get hung up now and then. But you guys convinced me with the need for the occasional Darth Vader

This would make the option less useful I agree.
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2) Take away the EB status of some mobs, and they may as well not exist at all. The whole point of LB Ballistae is they are EBs. That is what makes them distinctive. And wouldn't Frostfire be a real letdown, if he where only a boss?


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He used to be a normal boss before. A boss with wicked evil powers. For those who solo him a challenge enough when you try him on invincible.
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I don't know exactly what they do with EB's but they are significantly harder to beat then a normal boss.

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Yes. They may require a moments thought, rather than just plowing strieght through without noticing.

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Plowing straight in is for most of the squishies I play not an option when I encounter that boss. And even for non squishies a boss mob is often a hard target to take down solo. At least for me.

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A level where you find the normal opponents a satisfying challenge.


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No, +2 non EBs = pushover, insignificant challenge.

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Now try that at him being +2 levels. A level where you find the normal opponents a satisfying challenge.

[/ QUOTE ] Sorry that argument doesn't work. It's that players' fault if he/she chooses to attempt a mission containing an EB/AV at a difficulty level higher than he/she can cope with due to the presence of the EB. You are given full warning by the contact that you may need help.

What you are asking for is to have your cake and eat it. I'm sorry but if you can't cope with the difficulty level [u]you chose to run at[u] because of an EB in your mission then that's tough. You'll just have to [u]lower the difficulty to a manageable level[u] to take into account the higher overall difficulty of that mission.

I'm sorry if this reads as rude/blunt but we've tried reasoning and you don't seem to grasp that it's not the game that needs to be changed to accommodate your problem because it is self inflicted.

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Nosferatu.

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Oh GOD Id forgotten all about him! /e nightmare
Yeah, that twisted sonuva wannabe wampyre is definately high on my hate list...At AV level, ugh, dont get me started...

But yes, I say /unsigned for the most part. EBs are one of the little flavouring chunks we get, far too infrequnelty in my opinion. I know from grim experience that getting a team redside can be more painful than Nos or the LBB itself, but they work as they are meant to, really.

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Now try that at him being +2 levels. A level where you find the normal opponents a satisfying challenge.

[/ QUOTE ] Sorry that argument doesn't work. It's that players' fault if he/she chooses to attempt a mission containing an EB/AV at a difficulty level higher than he/she can cope with due to the presence of the EB. You are given full warning by the contact that you may need help.

What you are asking for is to have your cake and eat it. I'm sorry but if you can't cope with the difficulty level [u]you chose to run at[u] because of an EB in your mission then that's tough. You'll just have to [u]lower the difficulty to a manageable level[u] to take into account the higher overall difficulty of that mission.

I'm sorry if this reads as rude/blunt but we've tried reasoning and you don't seem to grasp that it's not the game that needs to be changed to accommodate your problem because it is self inflicted.

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Lowering the difficulty is exactly what I always do. Or if the AV/EB is just to though to handle try to ask people for help. Or worst case scenario outlevel the mission completely. I know the solutions. But that does not mean that I don't think the system can be improved. Because I am convinced that it should not be a tough endboss that makes a mission worthwhile doing.

But it seems that only a minority of the players have the same feelings as I do about this. I made this case as best as I could and leave it now up to the developers to either do something with it or not. The defense rests.

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Because I am convinced that it should not be a tough endboss that makes a mission worthwhile doing.


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That's the way the game is, and it fits well with the genre. Superheroes should breaze through minions, and are only really challenged by the supervillains.

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Because I am convinced that it should not be a tough endboss that makes a mission worthwhile doing.


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That's the way the game is, and it fits well with the genre. Superheroes should breaze through minions, and are only really challenged by the supervillains.

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Agreed. It is the heart and soul of Heroing/Villaining. Get to the good/bad guy. Arrest/Maim.

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