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One question: You mentioned taking an averagely slotted character up against a setted one. Was this on Test Server or last night after I13 went live?
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No it was prior to test.
Does it make a difference in the sense that sets make me way more powerful than non sets?
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What were you playing and what were you fighting against? What was the skill level of the other player? Did they have SO's or a cheap IO build? I still doubt you'd often beat a hardcore pvper that has a well planned cheap build. Sets are less powerful now as well because of diminishing returns.
*shrugs*
I will use the dual builds to actually be able to PvP with my controller (who is *still* Old School Hami Raid slotted) and maybe not get my teeth kicked down my throat.
Why dont i just wipe the Hami Build out? Because its actually a pretty good team build as well. Minimal IO's on him (i really dont have the inf on him, as i havent been playing him much and I am only just coming back for this sneak preview)
But saying that, i am looking forward to the Multi Builds. It will allow players to do several things.
1) Have team/solo builds set up accordingly (some power sets require wildly different power choices according to play style)
2) Have PvP/PvE builds (again wildly different power choices).
Am I worries aboutthe cost? Hell no. I KNOW that i will still be a poor PvP'er BUT at least now i know that i can take part, and at least ENJOY myself more without having to choose to dedicate my character to a PvP build (seriously, my fire controller SUCKS in PvP currently due to his build).
For me, multi builds get the thumbs up... and also the benefit of the long term planning towards getting in MY eyes (and not yours) MY perfect build (and not YOUR perfect build)
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Either which way we are all in the same boat with regard to it all - so in a way everyones even.
Fiscally anyway. 
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Mother, that is incorrect and is the core of what I'm saying.
We're not equal at all. Those who can play for umpteen hours per day and are happy to endlessly farm have a distinct advantage over those of us who dont.
And there is a lot more of us than of them.
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You do know that you can only play one at a time don't you?
I'm assuming you don't because you seem to think that people who have two fully IO setted builds are going to have some sort of advantage over people who don't. Next you'll be saying that people with two or more accounts ruin the game.
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It's made a great advancement for a very limited number of players and a frustration for the vast majority.
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What vast majority?
While I know these forums are not representative of the players as a whole, you are the only person that I recall being so against the whole idea. You are then the spokesperson for a vast silent majority... Or can you actually give some figures to back up this theory?
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The whole key to making anything, never mind something as complex as PvP, popular is accessability.
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They haven't changed the accessibility at all though. If you only PvP there is no change. If you only PvE there is no real change, though some people have already mentioned having a build for teaming and a build for solo or farming. If you want to do both you can either go on as you were or you can have two different builds.
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And this just made it that little bit harder because the more advanced players will be able to create PvP perfect "monsters" and the rest of us will be even less likely to match them than before.
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Problem is LB they can do that without the dual build system. If they have two perfect builds with every IO that they want they can only use one at a time, so to anyone fighting them you will only see that build. They aren't going to leap into battle hit you a few times then swap to another build. Besides why, if they have one perfect build, would they need another?
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In a few months this game is gonna see its subs torn like never before. Them focusing on stuff like this while they should have been actually creating innovations to match the new games coming out is a big reason this games going to feel like a tornadoes been whooshing through it.
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If when CO ships that game steals all the players from a five year old game (nearly) one or two innovations now that can be capped by Cryptic again before release of CO isn't going to make any difference.
And if you honestly believe that a dev team led by the same guy who rode this game practically into the ground can come up trumps in another then I think you can add insane to your signature as well.
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Fact: There is one super hero game
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True
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Fact:Anyone who likes the idea of playing a super hero on an mmo comes here.
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True. But some don't stay because its not what they like. Or their PC doesn't like it.
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Fact:There are soon to be other super hero games
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Again True. However none are going to be the same as this one. And while some will leave this not everyone will just because other MMOs are newer.
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Fact: they will have the success and failures of this game to look at and learn from
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Just as this game has learned from others.
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Fact: On the face of it at least they will have: end game, crafting, abilty to pick and mix powers, better customisation, destructable enviroments etc etc
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Wrong. This is a supposition. Until other MMOs are live anything that their devs have said will be in game can only be said to most likely be included.
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Fact:At least some of the people that pick up that game initially will come from here.
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True. But also true and likely some of the people who don't play anything now will try other MMOs and come here.
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Fact: If word of mouth and reviews of those games are good there will be an almighty exodus from here.
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Again supposition. If you listen to word of mouth and reviews then WoW has been killed at least three times. AoC and WAR were both touted as WoW killers but didn't even make a sizeable dent in WoW populations.
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Fact: This game has had the time to implement things to ensure minimal rather than maximum damage when that arrives.
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Supposition. You don't know what the devs have planned, it might be [censored] into a bucket and pointless as you seem to think or it might bring the game back into the forefront of MMOs.
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Seems to me all they've done of any significance is isolated a section of the very crowd they want to improve. And, Castle, who i've warned about before, did it in a very statesman esque way.
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What he's cut the dev team down to 12 people and only listened to what his 'vision' wants?
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Is it?
Well there are quite a number of us (me included) who applied for closed beta on the new game. Thats just from these boards.
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And? I applied to closed beta, yet have no intention of playing the live game. I also applied for Tabula Rasa, Auto Assault and a couple of other games. Many people apply for betas because they want to see what something is like, not because they plan on actually paying to play.
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How many people will use the architecht is debatable. We cant comment until we see its scope.
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But you're happy to comment on how doomed the game will be when other unproven games come out?
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Yes but my point revolved around the fact that this issue was devoted primarily to PvP.
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I hardly ever post, but I have to disagree with this. This issue is not devoted primarily to PVP.
There has been a lot of discussion about the changes by those who choose to PVP, which is fine, however for those like myself who choose not to PVP, the new powers, missions, auras and the miriad of QOL changes (like the grouped badge display's) are far far more important.
I read the forums a lot and have never seen a post by a redname to indicate that the primary feature of this issue are the PVP changes.
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Actually, its not.
There are the Freedom Force games to name but two. There are lots of games based on Spiderman, Iron man, theres Lego Batman etc. There are just hundreds of superhero games.
You meant MMOs? Well there is WoW for a start. Not a superhero game!? You show me someone who can shoot fireballs at people, and I will show you a superhero.
I really should do something about this signature.
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Actually, its not.
There are the Freedom Force games to name but two. There are lots of games based on Spiderman, Iron man, theres Lego Batman etc. There are just hundreds of superhero games.
You meant MMOs? Well there is WoW for a start. Not a superhero game!? You show me someone who can shoot fireballs at people, and I will show you a superhero.
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WARNING: Pedantic quibbles never end well on these debates.
They are, however, often hilarious (if so very, very predictable now).
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Given that debating is pointless with someone who is far to arrogant to ever accept anyone elses opinion as valid, one may as well make pedantic quibbles as strong arguments.
I really should do something about this signature.
Pedants Rule!
Or, to be exact, portray some of the qualities normally associated with rulership.
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Given that debating is pointless with someone who is far to arrogant to ever accept anyone elses opinion as valid, one may as well make pedantic quibbles as strong arguments.
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Hey I resemble that remark... 
I misread what LB had written, should have read that there is only one Super Hero MMO = True which AFAIK is true...
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You used incorrect capitalisation there!
WoW lack spandex, so this makes it totally not a superhero game.
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To add to the pedantry... WoW is Super Hero MMO. CoH, Co and DCO are COMIC Super Hero MMOs.
Another LB "CoH is Doomed Because It Has Not Met My Expectations" Post.
Frankly, my take on it is this: If NC fail to deliver a game that can match up to the graphical, game play and features of CO and DCO, we, the player base will migrate to those other two games. Result? We get a better Super Hero MMO.
We win.
What's the problem?
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Conan has a pretty significant comic book history, so that would make AoC a COMIC super hero MMO. :P
I really should do something about this signature.
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To add to the pedantry... WoW is Super Hero MMO. CoH, Co and DCO are COMIC Super Hero MMOs.
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You always know you hit a nerve when people get pedantic on you.
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Another LB "CoH is Doomed Because It Has Not Met My Expectations" Post.
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Acually its my 2nd. Until this year my posts built around my frustration thst the game was going, to my mind, the wrong way. This year, because NC bought the game from Cryptic, until the announcement of i13 and i14 my posts were pretty positive. That was when I realised they have no idea as to how to compete the the shiny games coming from just around the corner.
The only barometer on me being right or wrong is the subs. If they have any time gone up then I guess I'm wrong.
Where are they now exactly?
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Very true. Just a shame. I have been playing this one since day one and it will be a shame if that happens cause this one could have offered enough for that not to happen.
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We win.
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We do. i just feel a loyalty to this one that I now realise is undeserved.
I said before, I'm a bit like a newcastle united fan.
Love the team, cant bear the management or the type of long ball football they deliver to us fans. Or the results.
Don't get into a flap. It's only my opinion and I'm thick
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Strangely, and in all seriousness LB, I do actually see where you're coming from; it's your love of the game that you've played from it's first release that is perhaps part of the drive behind your concerns about it's current state and possible demise.
There are a couple of things though that I think one should bear in mind. Firstly, that no matter HOW miffed with it I get at times, and how much I stamp my feet at things about it that get on my pecs, and cancel my subs certain that I've had enough and NC have had my last £8.99, I come back to it. And I know I'm not alone. There is something that Cryptic got "right". I don't know if it's the player base, the comedy in the mission arcs, the "pick up and play" aspect, or perhaps even a whole combination of these things, but I feel that enough of the playerbase have the same feeling and that even if someone brought out a full Virtual Reality Hero MMO where your own image was projected onto your character (with appropriate "body buffs" 
) in a fully interactive, photo realistic, 3D world, there would STILL be people playing CoH! (OK, maybe a slight exageration, but you catch my drift)
The other slightly tongue in cheek point is that Buddhists say "All things are transient, and nothing lasts for ever. To expect more, will lead to suffering". Of course it's a shame when the things that we love pass on, but an unfortunate fact of life. (Apologies if that came over as condescending or patronising, it was not my itention)
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ah erm so what happen to muilt-builds? atm all this seem like off the point driable
and this is not aim at you SteelRat....it aim at the last lot of post as muilt builds seem to be lost in the plot
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ah erm so what happen to muilt-builds?
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This thread was never about multi-builds. It's about LB finding something else to point at and say "ZOMG! They broke the game, everyone will leave and go to CO."
If you'd like to say anything about multi-builds that hasn't been said already, then please do.
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Everytime I see the title of this thread I think, "Damn! I forgot to put together a solo build for my Empathy defender!" She's been waiting weeks for multiple builds to go live and here's me swanning off the make Shield scrappers 
How are other players using their second build on the likes of Scrappers and Tanks?
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How are other players using their second build on the likes of Scrappers and Tanks?
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Can't be bothered to even implement one.
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How are other players using their second build on the likes of Scrappers and Tanks?
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When i get round to it i plan to make my ma/sr scrapper into a machine
1st build: Trying to max out def/rec/recharge to keep it going at a constant rate.
2nd build: Trying to max out dmg/acc with a couple of team buffs thrown in too.
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You always know your posting to a forum full of pedants when people get pedantic on you.
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Fixed for pedantry.
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I said before, I'm a bit like a newcastle united fan.
Love the team, cant bear the management or the type of long ball football they deliver to us fans. Or the results.
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I think we might still take Jose Enrique back 
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You always know you're posting to a forum full of pedants when people get pedantic on you.
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Fixed for pedantry.
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Fixed for even more pedantry
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Pure speculation.
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Is it?
Well there are quite a number of us (me included) who applied for closed beta on the new game. Thats just from these boards.
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So? Quite a number of people sign up for beta's all the time...I do. Applying for a beta does not mean paying for the game when it's out...
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