Are melee ATs slowly becoming obselete??
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Posted on: 2008-08-14 09:05 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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The ops question was "are Tankers becoming obselete."
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No, the OPs question was "Are melee ATs slowly becoming obselete??"
Last time I looked tankers whern't the only melee AT.
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Stop hitting me with semantics.
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Surely better than bricks? 
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I'm referring to the commercial aspect of SGs (as I always do).
My overall point revolves around the fact that the large successful, in terms of activety and attitude with in the group, are ones that help keep casual players happier and more involved with the gamne in general.
[/ QUOTE ]See, I think you're applying your own preferences to quite a large amount of players who they don't apply to.
Certainly there are players who play MMO's for the "organized community" aspect. However, there are also a lot of players who do not want an SG at all, or who simply prefer theirs to be a chat channel for group of friends. Of course, I don't know the actual proportion of these groups compared to the total playerbase, but neither do you. Therefore, SG improvements really aren't the only, or quite possibly even one of the best ways to increase the amount of time people stick with the game.
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Im not here to insult you or anyone else.
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Cudda fooled me.
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Why? You and I havent crossed swords in a long time and if we ever do I wont be the one firing the first shot.
[/ QUOTE ]He never said you were insulting him, just other people in general.
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Why? You and I havent crossed swords in a long time and if we ever do I wont be the one firing the first shot.
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Crossed swords firing the first shot???
Are you just mixing metaphors or are you suggesting gun kata as the set to save melee characters?
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Why? You and I havent crossed swords in a long time and if we ever do I wont be the one firing the first shot.
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Crossed swords firing the first shot???
Are you just mixing metaphors or are you suggesting gun kata as the set to save melee characters?
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It could just be a Rikti rifle
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Why? You and I havent crossed swords in a long time and if we ever do I wont be the one firing the first shot.
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Crossed swords firing the first shot???
Are you just mixing metaphors or are you suggesting gun kata as the set to save melee characters?
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Obviously he means this
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The ops question was "are Tankers becoming obselete."
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No, the OPs question was "Are melee ATs slowly becoming obselete??"
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Last time I looked tankers whern't the only melee AT.
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oh shoot me LOL. You do agree that the overall point does include Tankers? In that they are of of the primary melee groups?
And that becoming obselete isnt a million miles away from being obelete?
So did i say anything not pertaining to the question?
Semantics. And those that pick up on them. Sheesh.
Don't get into a flap. It's only my opinion and I'm thick
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I'm referring to the commercial aspect of SGs (as I always do).
My overall point revolves around the fact that the large successful, in terms of activety and attitude with in the group, are ones that help keep casual players happier and more involved with the gamne in general.
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See, I think you're applying your own preferences to quite a large amount of players who they don't apply to.
Certainly there are players who play MMO's for the "organized community" aspect. However, there are also a lot of players who do not want an SG at all, or who simply prefer theirs to be a chat channel for group of friends. Of course, I don't know the actual proportion of these groups compared to the total playerbase, but neither do you.
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Max I dont need to know the numbers. Go round the game looking at the players you see. You'll see 10% of em, if that arent part of an SG. And, if you look at, say level 20s, the figure is less than that. but, as everyone here is hitting me with semantics, no i guess not everyone is in an Sg.
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Therefore, SG improvements really aren't the only, or quite possibly even one of the best ways to increase the amount of time people stick with the game.
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The only way? No. The best way? Absolutely yes.
This is a team centric game. Where as other games have lots to do enabling players to play a soloish route, this game is fight, fight, fight. It's repititious to an almost ridiculous degree.
The single thing in its favour is the teaming tools.
And the Super groups. It's what keeps going on same old same old, entertaining and fresh. And offers a diversity.
These new games coming out have something in common: they propose to have "all the things you expect to see in an MMO"
This game, to date, doesnt. So it needs something else.
Look, honestly, If you dont think SGs are key to the games success, then fine. And if you think that the devs have given SG leader sufficent tools to run the groups properly rather than having to do it all ourselves, then fine again.
Don't get into a flap. It's only my opinion and I'm thick
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You'll see 10% of em, if that arent part of an SG.
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That is totally irrelevent. All of my toons (I think) are in an SG. Most of them are in the same SG, mine, the one I created because there was no mechanism for blocking SG invites and I wanted to play with SG bases.
If you're going to say "that's not what most people do" then I'm going to reply with "you don't know that" followed by "I know a number of people who set up one player SGs so they can have a little one room base."
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The best way? Absolutely yes.
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I'm sorry, but you have no information which backs that up. You're simply stating your preferences as facts.
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This is a team centric game.
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It used to be. Very. It's now a casual-centric game. Teaming is optional.
I solo very happily, and have done since the game hit the EU, but it is now easier to solo by a considerable degree. There are specific ATs which benefit massively from teaming, and always have been, but it is quite possible to solo to 50 missing very little content.
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Max I dont need to know the numbers. Go round the game looking at the players you see. You'll see 10% of em, if that arent part of an SG. And, if you look at, say level 20s, the figure is less than that. but, as everyone here is hitting me with semantics, no i guess not everyone is in an Sg.
[/ QUOTE ]And how many of those people are in SG's that have any need for more elaborate tools that they already have access to? In other words, not in an SG composed of only themselves, or a small group of friends.
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This is a team centric game. Where as other games have lots to do enabling players to play a soloish route, this game is fight, fight, fight. It's repititious to an almost ridiculous degree.
[/ QUOTE ]It's not that much more repetitious than most other MMO's, and of the current MMO's on the market, only WoW and possibly AoC (I haven't played past 25-ish so can't comment on how that turns out later on) are more solo-centric than CoH, so it's hardly a team-centric game.
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The single thing in its favour is the teaming tools.
And the Super groups. It's what keeps going on same old same old, entertaining and fresh. And offers a diversity.
[/ QUOTE ]So if it has two strengths, why is enhancing SG's better than enhancing teaming?
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And if you think that the devs have given SG leader sufficent tools to run the groups properly rather than having to do it all ourselves, then fine again.
[/ QUOTE ]I think there are few additions that would be handy for a plenty of SG's, but I don't think that focusing on SG's is what this game needs.
God, why even bother arguing with Lionsbane? He's so set in his own point of view that he couldn't possible change it, even if it would hurdle him to certain doom. Because he simply thinks he is that much better than the rest of us.
Just stop it, please ><
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God, why even bother arguing with Lionsbane? He's so set in his own point of view that he couldn't possible change it, even if it would hurdle him to certain doom. Because he simply thinks he is that much better than the rest of us.
Just stop it, please ><
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Stop what?
Don't get into a flap. It's only my opinion and I'm thick
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God, why even bother arguing with Lionsbane?
[/ QUOTE ]I'll take any argument I can get on these boards, since we have so little nowadays.
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God, why even bother arguing with Lionsbane?
[/ QUOTE ]I'll take any argument I can get on these boards, since we have so little nowadays.
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You're so wrong MaX, there're loads! 
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God, why even bother arguing with Lionsbane? He's so set in his own point of view that he couldn't possible change it, even if it would hurdle him to certain doom. Because he simply thinks he is that much better than the rest of us.
Just stop it, please ><
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It's ye olde forum tradition.
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The ops question was "are Tankers becoming obselete."
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No, the OPs question was "Are melee ATs slowly becoming obselete??"
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Last time I looked tankers whern't the only melee AT.
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oh shoot me LOL. You do agree that the overall point does include Tankers? In that they are of of the primary melee groups?
And that becoming obselete isnt a million miles away from being obelete?
So did i say anything not pertaining to the question?
Semantics. And those that pick up on them. Sheesh.
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I don't think it's anything to do with semantics, I think it's more to do with the fact that you've picked up on a random post in a thread, ran with it, and completely derailed the thread. When it comes back to the original topic, you show you're not actually bothering to read half of the stuff, you're just harping on about topics you find important.
Regarding "Primary Melee", last I heard there were more scrappers than tanks floating about. They're easier to solo, and are less work in a team. You're not expected to maintain a pace, you're don't need to check the health bars now and then, you don't have to hold aggro. You're (sadly, due to some people's mindset as and with scrappers) there to make up the numbers and kill stuff. There's rarely very little else demanded of a scrapper. There's also no 'Trollerlock or 'Fenderlock (though I often get them >_>
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As for SG's, you can run one how you want. I've ran one for 2-ish years, on and off. We've got all the base facilities we need, and enough prestige for me to build another section just to stick in random things like a bar*.
At one point, we were /almost/ on the top 100 list. We've also only ever had 4 active members at a time. People come and go. After six or so months, they come back again. We laugh for a month, and then they're off again. I think our record, was 5 people online at the same time, and that was for an SG STF. (We PuG'ed the other 3, from each of our friends lists).
Is that successful? By most reckonings, the answer would be no. Ask any of the 4 actual members, and we'd all respond with a resounding "yes". I wouldn't even class it as an active SG (one members is now at 740 days offline \o/), but I've been in several other SG's, and aside from one a friend runs, I'd have to say I didn't enjoy them as much.
I'm not remotely fussed about people being in SG mode. If I need prestige to jazz up the base, I'll go and earn it. If people needed inf, they just had to ask me. We even had a forum at one point, just to see what it was like.
It was like a job, like other's have mentioned in the thread. It took out the fun side of a few friends giggling like idiots at everything, into something we begrudged not being paid for. We were going to "take it seriously", and we realised at that point that we were already taking it too seriously. It's a game, not a career.
I'm not saying SG's shouldn't put effort in, if people want to. I'm saying people should know where the line is, between "fun" and "suck", and when they reach it they should stop. They shouldn't run as far past the line as they can go before they start to get a stitch, and then shout back at the other's for not wanting to be exactly like them.
They should also put some effort into reading things properly, if they've set their hearts on being so argumentative at every opportunity. Debating isn't about who can shout the loudest or most often, and it certainly isn't about disregarding opinions purely because they're not the same as yours.
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Stop what?
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You're not high enough on the pecking order to cross swords with the answer.
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God, why even bother arguing with Lionsbane?
[/ QUOTE ]I'll take any argument I can get on these boards, since we have so little nowadays.
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Which is a good thing - arguments don't make the forum look very good to new players - plus, it's just nicer to be nice.
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God, why even bother arguing with Lionsbane?
[/ QUOTE ]I'll take any argument I can get on these boards, since we have so little nowadays.
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Which is a good thing - arguments don't make the forum look very good to new players - plus, it's just nicer to be nice.
[/ QUOTE ]But dear, how else should we evolve, if not through conflict?
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God, why even bother arguing with Lionsbane?
[/ QUOTE ]I'll take any argument I can get on these boards, since we have so little nowadays.
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Which is a good thing - arguments don't make the forum look very good to new players - plus, it's just nicer to be nice.
[/ QUOTE ]But dear, how else should we evolve, if not through conflict?
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You can discuss things without arguing.
@Golden Girl
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God, why even bother arguing with Lionsbane?
[/ QUOTE ]I'll take any argument I can get on these boards, since we have so little nowadays.
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Which is a good thing - arguments don't make the forum look very good to new players - plus, it's just nicer to be nice.
[/ QUOTE ]But dear, how else should we evolve, if not through conflict?
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You can discuss things without arguing.
[/ QUOTE ]You either agree or debate, and everyone agreeing on everything gets really stale really fast.
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Im not here to insult you or anyone else.
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Cudda fooled me.
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Why? You and I havent crossed swords in a long time and if we ever do I wont be the one firing the first shot.
Don't get into a flap. It's only my opinion and I'm thick
Arc 56763 Lord Anarchys heaven
2 mission arc. Bring friends cause Lord Anarchy means business...