Uh huh... so all the Kinetics who use Fulcrum Shift (a melee range power) have to stay well back. And the toons who have Short Radius PBAoE buffs like Recovery Aura/Healing Aura/AM. Heaven forbid the defender might want to drain the mob with Short Circuit or use a short-range hold or disorient on him.
Lets not even talk about the Scrappers, Blappers and Offender builds.
They're just not meant to be in melee range, 'cause that's where tankers live.
(Range for that Smoke Grenade is about a 50 feet radius by the way)
...right..... 
Was talking about empaths in general
Empaths get Healing Aura, Regeneration Aura and Recovery Aura... all of which are nearly "melee ranged". They can take take the leadership pool which has short range buffs, and they can get melee range attacks and debuffs from their secondary and epic pools.
Even taking into account the "defender = empath" point (which many defenders would be up in arms about) would you seriously tell all empaths not to come within about 50 feet of a tanker on arachnos missions?
ive trained my coh mate to be a good empath, e.g dont do stupid stuff like RA + AB
He does the RA's just before im about to run into next mob. problem solved.
That doesn't sound like great empathing to me...
That doesn't exactly cover the behaviour of "defenders", or even "empaths in general".
I also suspect it's more geared towards play during Power Levelling sessions, where frankly people don't need to think as much or as often as they do during normal gameplay.
A good defender will use his/her powers to give the best possible effects to their team, and pay little or no attention to the tanker with an "I'm the only one fighting here" complex. If that results in a stream of silly protests from a tanker, maybe that tanker should look at the success rate of all-defender teams.
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They arent meant to be hitting the enemy.
They arent meant to be in melee range.
I tell em that.
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that is utter rubbish. when atomitor was on his way to 50 i was right in the middle of the fight firing off my buffs and my attacks. and do you know where our pet empath usually was? right next to me dishing it out too.
would you have rather that we stood back like good little defenderes to make your toon god like and watch you get all the glory and fun?
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How is it stupid to use the powers from your power set? Especially something as powerful as AB...
What you have actually done from the sound of that is trained your mate to be your own personal Buff puppy.
"You fire off the healy buffy things on me then go stand way over there while I go fight the bad guys and actually achieve something"
Lord above, how the hell does your gimp, sorry your mate get any enjoyment out of playing an Empath?
i dont get irritated exactly, as long as its done in moderation. After a couple of times and the team have got the hint of how you want to do it, you can stop telling the team what youre doing in that exact moment, where to pull and so on. If it seems the team still perform to your satisfaction, no more spamming should be needed, unless you get a new teammate or something.
What IS irritating however is when the tanker have binds in the form of:
"Speedboost plz"
"speedboost plz"
"speedboost plz"
and so on..
(Stone tanks, im looking at you)
UNION
Officer Cuffz lvl 50 Inv/Nrg Tank
Badge lvl 50 dwarf/human Peacebringer
Dark Air lvl 50 Ice/Cold Corruptor
Ayre lvl 50 Storm/Elec Defender
Total Cat: @Officer Cuffz
"When I say interview, I mean engage in combat and defeat..." -Laura Brunetti, on how to deal with Warriors.
Sorry, you are teaching someone how to play to YOUR rules. your rules seem to consist of the following:
1, Defender Must == Healer. If Defender =\= Healer then said Defender < Empath.
2, Tanks and Scrappers And Blasters > Defenders and Controllers.
3, Everyone on the team must listen to you and your word is final.
All three of the above are... Incorrect.
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"Speedboost plz"...
(Stone tanks, im looking at you)
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We're sorry... Well at least I am and I try to refrain from EVER asking for Buffs. If Defenders/Controllers want to Buff me, they will, I don't need to ask.
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They arent meant to be hitting the enemy.
They arent meant to be in melee range.
I tell em that.
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And if you told me that, I'd tell you where to stand.
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ive trained my coh mate to be a good empath, e.g dont do stupid stuff like RA + AB
He does the RA's just before im about to run into next mob. problem solved.
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ZOMG! how sad. sorry but your mate must have no clue how to play properly now. I don't ask anything of a defender orther then to make sure everyone in the team is up. He/she can buff and heal when he/she can.
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Lord above, how the hell does your gimp, sorry your mate get any enjoyment out of playing an Empath?
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....when sheep leaves the team? 
chill matey everyone has there own style of play!!
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They arent meant to be hitting the enemy.
They arent meant to be in melee range.
I tell em that.
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And if you told me that, I'd tell you where to stand.
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ive trained my coh mate to be a good empath, e.g dont do stupid stuff like RA + AB
He does the RA's just before im about to run into next mob. problem solved.
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ZOMG! how sad. sorry but your mate must have no clue how to play properly now. I don't ask anything of a defender orther then to make sure everyone in the team is up. He/she can buff and heal when he/she can.
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Lord above, how the hell does your gimp, sorry your mate get any enjoyment out of playing an Empath?
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....when sheep leaves the team?
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all the above QFT, give your "mate" my sincerest apologies sheep, on your behalf
For me empaths dont have to be hitting the enemy because if you want a pacifistic hero then have one.
They dont have to be in melee range of enemy due to team dynamics that makes it unnecessary. The fact that they dont debuff the enemy, they cant cm or fort themselves and that they may get overwhelmed by aoes, cones and pbaoes does make staying out of melee range a sensible decision at times but not all of the time. It isnt always a better idea to stay out of melee range all of the time as sometimes someone else can either debuff or provide buffs etc etc to make a normally highly dangerous situation less dangerous.
I do fly by heal auras myself and have played on teams where i never get to nor need to use it. The rest of what i got is either ranged or can be done prior to a fight duration. But i like to use the RAs when i can see people actually needing it, rather than using it when they wont need it and then have them needing it when its recharging.
The tweaks to the game that will allow me to buff using RAs without stopping is gonna be great as then i can fly by RA keeping my exposure to aoe effects to a minimum.
The RA+AB at the same time thing is usually nonsensical imo. Its nicer if one of them is done whilst one of them is recharging, I mean come one how much does anyone actually need? When one is recharging atleast someone can recieve the other which is better than having both down.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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They arent meant to be hitting the enemy.
They arent meant to be in melee range.
I tell em that.
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oh dear, oh dear.
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ahhh so your the man responsibe!! Gank him!
1) Unless there are a load of AoE's flying about, then providing the tanker is half decent, there should be no issues for a defender in melee range. Even if there are AoE's this will effect less squishies than you think..(bubble defender anyone? ).
2) As for 'you' doing the killing, I take it you dont notice that lovely green stuff that floats around AV's whilst your 'killing' them? If you have ever teamed with a good Rad defender, you would know it is them, not you, purting the real' hurt on the AV's.
3) If you still think like this in a weeks time, ill introduce you a sonic/psi or a rad/rad or a rad/psi etc etc..defender in the arena, who will happily educate you to just who is better at 'arresting'.
4) I can't believe i've stooped to reply to this..oh the shame. 
Fort Blaster, Mass Sleep, Mass Fear, Blaster Nova's, Recharge Aura.
Don't need teh heals 
Tanking : Stomp, Clap, pick em off, still don't need teh heals
after your post about p/lvling its nice to see that you will duo Sheep
Prof Radburn controller,Celtic Ice Maiden,blaster,Miss Knockout scrapper,Mistress Davina controller,Stone Hart,tank Split Personality PB.Queen Lostris controller,Fridgid Mary blaster,Shocking Fire blaster Future Elfling defender, Little Weed controller,Capo Angelo MM, Commander Buzzsaw MM, Justice Tank tank all 50,s
To OP:
Actually you are my kinda player. I love tanks. Actually i find most of the tankers i worked, very level headed and they sure what they are doing.
And i only see two AT are the torn in the side; Blasters and Scrappers. Yes they are too many good blasters or scrappers but some have that "holier than thou" attitude. That's irritating me as well.
Here's a tip for you. Don't accpet blind invites and have a good friends list. That helped me much. I always adventure with my friends. If something happen like you said i won't be the only one whose irritated by that thick-headed moron. So here comes the kick.
I have scrappers and blasters life is made a lot easier if you have a tank that knows what he is doing I,m quite happy to hide round a corner let the tank bring the mob round then either blast away or jump in with my scrapper for the killing spree a bad tank will lead to face plants as the team will never know what he is doing ,my answer to the problem if I think the tank is not up to the job is a quick bye folks have fun and go and look for another team or go solo.IMO
Prof Radburn controller,Celtic Ice Maiden,blaster,Miss Knockout scrapper,Mistress Davina controller,Stone Hart,tank Split Personality PB.Queen Lostris controller,Fridgid Mary blaster,Shocking Fire blaster Future Elfling defender, Little Weed controller,Capo Angelo MM, Commander Buzzsaw MM, Justice Tank tank all 50,s
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ive trained my coh mate to be a good empath, e.g dont do stupid stuff like RA + AB
He does the RA's just before im about to run into next mob. problem solved.
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am i the only one who finds every single one of sheep's post's absolutely histerical?
i agree that squishies should try and stay out of AoEs as much as possible, it makes sense cause if your support team gets killed by AoEs then even the best built tanks and scrappers can get overwhelmed.
but back to the original question: i do understand why some people are a bit wary of stone tanks, with my kin def it does get irritating when a tank shouts for speedy, mid battle whilst you're in the process of doing other equally useful things... like healing or buff/debuffing.
As a general rule i prefer tanks to herd, especially for fulcrum shift as it makes the whole mob seem trivial if you land a big shift on them, whereas with a dispersed mob it will take longer to kill beacuse fs wont hit as many. also i think it is very useful for a tank to tell you if he is herding, and where the herd will be to.
and, in reference to whomever said they should let the scrapper die; personally i wouldnt let him die per se, however he would most likey be the last on my list of people to heal were there more than one person in trouble.
defending is all about priorities, and what is best for the team comes first. if its best for the team that you don't get yourself killed, then by all means stay a bit back. however if you NEED to run in to drop that life saving buff/heal.. then your personal safetly comes last. they wouldnt make awakens if you werent supposed to faceplant occasionally, would they?
About SBing mid fight... this is because alot of tanks want to become MORE self reliant if anything... for example I can aid self alot more often, or Dull pain, whatever with SB up.
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Sorry, you are teaching someone how to play to YOUR rules. your rules seem to consist of the following:
1, Defender Must == Healer. If Defender =\= Healer then said Defender < Empath.
2, Tanks and Scrappers And Blasters > Defenders and Controllers.
3, Everyone on the team must listen to you and your word is final.
All three of the above are... Incorrect.
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Having teamed with this person I believe you are right on the bullseye.
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They arent meant to be hitting the enemy.
They arent meant to be in melee range.
I tell em that.